Countdown: Prof. Turley on Obama & Wiretapping - 'Dead Wrong on Unlawful Surveillance'

[Hissyspit]

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MSNBC Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN - 7 April 2009:

KO: The Obama Administration is just wrong on this, right?

TURLEY: I think they are. I think that right now the Bush people are bringing out their 'Mission Accomplished' sign.

- snip -

TURLEY: It is impossible to have a Constitutional right that can never be enforced. And that's what we have here - and it's a terrible moment, I think for many people, but, you can not any longer suggest President Obama is advancing the civil liberties and privacy interests that he promised to advance. This is a terrible roll-back. It's a terrible decision. And the Obama people seem to be arguing that the Bush people were bad people doing bad things, but you know what? It doesn't matter if you say you are a good person doing bad things, you're doing bad things and that what this is.

[OwnedByFerrets]

1. Wow, that was quick....ty for posting it so soon.

[pleah]

2. K&R

[nvme]

89. Tell obama how you feel

thats the link to the prez's work let him know your pissed then tell me how you feel after you let him know.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

[msongs]

3. change you can believe in. yeah right nt

[TheEuclideanOne]

27. Not just words. Obama needs to follow through

Many people like the ones in this forum love that Obama is president, but not because he is an elequent speaker and charismatic, as the rethugs are trying to suggest over and over again, but because of his ideas. If he start disappointing them because he thinks that he can make "anything" happen, the tide can turn very quickly and it ain't gonna be pretty. While true, he did vote against FISA and still earned the Presidency, it took many people back and they were shocked and disappointed that he voted in favor of it. By taking it to the next level, you will see shock turn to anger. I think that Turley does speak for alot of people when he talks about how people are angry that he is not having the past administration held accountable and, in cases, extending their crimes. I think he is doing a great job, but I am not a Republican. I do not blindly stick with a leader for no other reason than the fact that he is the leader of my political party. Also, as a Democrat, I don't have the pleasure of having radio talk show hosts tell me that everything he does is 100% correct. The radio shows that I listen to do call him out when he does wrong. Right now, he has alot of love, I just hope he doesn't take it for granted.

[JFN1]

72. Count me in

Turley definitely spoke for me!

[Piewhacket]

4. Hear hear, Jonathon. tap tap tap...

[Titonwan]

5. When Barack lied about the FISA vote, we should have known...

and now he's WORSE than Bush in his raping of the "Freedom from search and seizure".
The corporations and war machine rule this country now. We have to fight this! K&R

[DutchLiberal]

6. Yes, Mr. Turley, he *can* do this, because he's so popular...

And he's so charistmatic, and so funny, and so eloquent, and oh, have yous een Michelle and what she was wearing didn't you think it's the most adorable outfit and what about those little girls don't they look fantastic...

Really, nobody is paying attention to anything that matters.

[silverojo]

17. I always was sick of that silly, fawning crap

I swear, so many here at DU sounded as if they were auditioning to write for Tiger Beat. I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't give a damn what the Obamas do in their leisure time, I don't care what Michelle's wearing, I don't care what school the Obama kids are going to.

All I care about is what Obama will do for and/or to this country.

One personal thing which, I'll admit, WAS pretty telling, is how he's done nothing but lie about getting his kids a dog. If you're going to lie to your kids in public, constantly raising their hopes for nothing, he's not going to treat the rest of us any better.

Another thing I'm waiting to see...he had better keep his hands OFF Medicare and Social Security, or he's going to feel the political wrath of every senior citizen in this nation. Even Bush quickly realized that you don't piss off the elderly!

[empyreanisles]

25. Naah. You're just pissed because we have a popular *BLACK* president.

Your subtle racism is showing.

[TBF]

31. That's bullshit. Sorry, but there is no racism in that post.

The constitution applies to everyone, and Obama just put himself above it. That has nothing to do with color of skin. We have a serious problem here, and this is going to rock the party to it's core. If this president will not uphold the constitution, what is he doing in office? And what are we collectively going to do about this?

[yy4me]

33. Baloney! Take a better read. I see no racism in that post.

[empyreanisles]

38. Sometimes you get a feeling in someone's tone. I felt it here.

The poster decided to get personal and declare her disgust at the popularity of Obama's family. Then the poster implied Obama was a liar because he hasn't gotten the dog yet.

Pretty strong feelings. Possibly due to an inner, unconscious racial resentment.

[polmaven]

48. There was absolutely NOTHING

with any racial overtones - or undertones - in that post. Maybe it is possible that you "feel" latent racism in anything critical of this president?

I have been a strong supporter of most of what he has done, and have defended what he has not yet been able to accomplish in his very short time in office so far, and I will continue to support most of his policies, but this issue has disappointed me very much.

Black, white, Democrat, Republican....makes no difference. We were all over Bush and Cheney for this, and we cannot now say "Oh....Obama is a Democrat, so it is OK for him to continue this policy". It is WRONG for ANY administration. Just WRONG!

And, btw, where IS that dog?

[billyoc]

53. I have a strong feeling that you're a child molester.

No evidence, just a feeling that I have about you.

But it's a pretty strong feeling.

[ChiciB1]

57. Racism??? How OUT OF TOUCH ARE YOU?? Race IS NOT An Issue

here!! Use your brain, PLEASE!!!!

[disndat]

46. I think the point is, Obama

cannot bring the Bushies to justice because the Republicans are threatening the "nuclear option" if Obama reveals and prosecutes their crimes. At least this way IMHO he could stop them from carrying on their nefarious businesses which must be HUGE.

[DutchLiberal]

81. How? How is his "subtle racism" showing?

:eyes:

[DutchLiberal]

80. But don't you know? We have to "reform" Social Security if we want to make it...

Never mind that 51% of the budget goes to the military, to sustain the empire build up around the world (more than 500.000 soldiers in more than 150 countries, including 37 European countries). We could never cut that! You know what they do to presidents who do that (see Carter). No, it's Social Security that's been dragging us down for all these years... :eyes:

The only thing missing from this third Clinton-administration is Hillary as head of state.

[earcandle]

7. Here is Kucinich's Vice President, Prof. Turley (hmmm....)

And we all know who to appoint to a lot of other positions ,
too! 

so

ready, set, go. 

all of the lawyers and
all the good men
set themselves to work
to put it together again

http://www.noodlebrain.com/Main1.mov
http://www.noodlebrain.com/Main2.mov
http://www.noodlebrain.com/Main3.mov
http://www.noodlebrain.com/Main4.mov
http://www.noodlebrain.com/Main5.mov

http://www.noodlebrain.com/nbpedu.swf

see you on the other side 

oh for good measure

http://www.noodlebrain.com/Kucinich_Now_2008.mov

rules:  Use language to get your needs and wants met. 
context: paradigm shift
energy: chaos to still point

dancing on the head of a pin

watch out for murderers, thieves, and whores (both genders)

(you may have to copy and paste... what is up with those
links? 

[Paul_Edwards]

8. Why don't we advertise this...

Let the American people know that the Democrats do not walk in lock step with our leader.

Thank you Keith.

[Number23]

9. Excellent video. Very well said by Prof. Turley. Thanks for posting

[bertman]

10. I can't wait to hear how they "explain" this away. Should be good.

And right before Turley came on we got Jonathan Alter's explanation of how and why it's being done for political cover. And how the suits/complaints that wer originally filed against Bush are now in Obama's name. What the fuck difference does that make? The Constitution is still the Constitution no matter how you cut it or whose ox gets gored.

Sorry, the ox goring was not intended as a pun.

[Hissyspit]

15. It was Newsweek's Howard Fineman. Here is the VIDEO:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x293504

[bertman]

49. Yes it was. My mistake. Too many O'Doul's. Thanks for the correction, Hissyspit.

:(

[FlyByNight]

11. Thanks for posting the vid

Unconstitutional is as unconstitutional does - NO MATTER THE ADMINISTRATION.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss(?)"

:scared:

[Dinger]

12. Not Much To Add To That

The point is made, Sad that it is. Not sure what I can do about it.

[Krashkopf]

13. I don't care how FRICKIN' popular Obama is right now!

My support to the President is DIRECTLY proportional to HIS support for the CONSTITUTION.

[ro1942]

14. sheep

i don't see many comments.

[silverojo]

16. What can they say?

It's painful, trying to talk around that knife he just stabbed in our backs. :grr:

[EFerrari]

18. It's not personal, Mr. Obama, it's just the Constitution.

[ihavenobias]

74. True. n/t

[bbgrunt]

19. very distressing. I was really hoping that he was better than this.

[bjobotts]

20. This is betrayal.There's no turning back from this.He has placed himself above the rule of law

[bjobotts]

21. Obama vowed to his supporters he would work to ensure "full accountability" on illegal surveillance

[bjobotts]

23. Just read this quote from Obama:

from Glenn Greenwald's site at salon .com...

"...When Obama sought to placate his angry supporters after he voted for the Bush/Cheney FISA-telecom immunity bill last June (after vowing the
prior December to support a filibuster of any such legislation), this is what he said (h/t notavailable):

" also firmly re-establishes basic judicial oversight over all domestic surveillance in the future. It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses."

So candidate Obama unambiguously vowed to his supporters that he would work to ensure "full accountability" for "past offenses" in surveillance lawbreaking.  President Obama, however, has now become the prime impediment to precisely that accountability, repeatedly engaging in extraordinary legal maneuvers to ensure that "past offenses" -- both in the surveillance and torture/rendition realm -- remain secret and forever immunized from judicial review.  Put another way, Obama has repeatedly done the exact opposite of what he vowed he would do:  rather than "seek full accountability for past offenses," he has been working feverishly to block such accountability, by embracing the same radical Bush/Cheney views and rhetoric regarding presidential secrecy powers that caused so much controversy and anger for the last several years."

Mix this with "states secrets" claims and one wonders if they are holding the Obama children hostage somewhere or just WTF is going on.

Then Obama stands up to Israel and it's the first time any president has done that. He really needs to get his Justice dept together. Republican Senators are threatening to filibuster his picks for legal counsel of Dawn Johnsen and Kohl who are both firmly against what DoJ is now doing.

The only reason Obama still enjoys high support is because we trust he wants to do the will of the people in spite of being harassed at every turn by the GOP. But these actions are a blatant obstruction of justice and a firm betrayal of civil liberties.

[bjobotts]

24. Now he becomes the 1st president to stand up against Israel's bullying-What's going on?

[bvar22]

70. ....and then turned around....

..and voted FOR Telecom Immunity.

[lostnotforgotten]

22. Ok Obama Supporters - Convince Me Now That This Is Change We Can Believe In!

eom

[L. Coyote]

32. Only one positive possibility. Seeking to be overruled for sake of precedent to

effect the outcome stated to support.

I'm not following the case procedurally in the full reading of motions sense,
but I get the sense this is a motion they know from the case history, that will not
be granted. This judge will rule that the privilige does not obtain.
Then Obama can fly the "Misssion Accomplished" banner instead of "Suckers."

I bet it sure feels like "sucker" to be an Obama supporter right now.
This is one issue were Obama was never a very convincing candidate,

I don't have an optimistic outlook for FISA Justice
now that campaign rhetoric season is old history.

I would like to see the "Imperial Administration" concept firmly overruled for precedent.

[OKDem08]

26. cognitive dissonance...

This is an important issue. Their position on this is in definite contrast to the campaign rhetoric, for sure.

[midnight]

28. "WE CAN" not negotiate our core Constitional rights-EVER!

[90-percent]

29. The CIA

Obama is selling our Constitutional rights down the river to appease the CIA?

Why the hell does the CIA deserve such special consideration? They are at the source of every political fuck up for the last fifty years. The problems on the World Stage can usually be traced to CIA blow back.

Better they put CIA torturers in jail than have an unchecked CIA running around screwing everything up because, well, that's just what the CIA does!

-90% jimmy

[bdamomma]

30. I think the next time when President Obama has another

Town Hall these kinds of questions need to be asked rather than what kind of dog they are going to get? Geez, the man is a Constitutional Lawyer, what the hell is going on???

[BlueJac]

34. The real meaning of "Yes We Can"....

and I never voted for more of the f**king same or worse!

[backtoblue]

35. It seems I was fooled

Not the first time that's happened, but I bought into Obama's promises to protect the people's constitutional rights, NOT the machine's... It's like a bad dream where nothing is what it at first seems to be. Wake up Wake up Wake up

[ChiciB1]

36. I Posted On SEVERAL Threads Last Night About This... Just Checking In Today AND

I must say that this is an OUTRAGE!! And before any of you get all worked up about any comment I make, let me say that I have been willing to give Obama a lot of LINE & support for the short time he's been in office! Also, even though he was NEVER my first choice I DID actually go out and campaign very hard for him in this very RED County!

I will not apologize for feeling BETRAYED & am thankful that KO AND Turley are speaking TRUTH to this country!!

It's going to take me some time to digest this and wish we will get some EXPLANATION as to WHY this is happening!!

[Democracyinkind]

39. I think you've got the popular vote here, at least on this topic.

I didn't vote for him but I was and am willing to give him the benefit of doubt. It's just that this is another big entry on the negative side; will the positive side on my list barely contains anything than things he said.

I'm clueless about the backing and trustworthiness of this website, but it helps me keeping track of what is on the table and what not ... just to say I'm not guarantying for this site but it certainly can give an overview:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

[ChiciB1]

65. That's A GREAT Web Site! Put It In My Favorites For Further Use!

My daughter, who I brought up to be more Liberal than many here may not agree with my outrage about this. We recently went to San Francisco and since it was the 6th Anniversary of The WAR, ANSWER had a March. While I'm NOT a big fan of ANSWER because of ALL their issues lumped together, still I wanted to participate. She was ALL into it before we marched, her husband sat around and talked with demonstrators too. So, time comes and we start the march, half way through her husband "flakes" out and soon after we found ourselves among a group of people chanting for Palestinian Rights. She got irritated about this and promptly said "this is NOT my issue, and I won't march against Obama!" A few minutes later I said "OK, enough let's drop out" because she kept saying Obama hasn't even been given a chance. We were far from home, being that we live in Florida and I feared if I kept going on I might not ever meet up with them again for quite some time. We only had one cell phone between us, I not being the one holding it, her husband had it.

He decided to duck down into the Mall, she followed and I WAS lost for a while. The thrust of the March was against Corporate Greed and against MORE WAR, the front banner clearly stating this fact. Well, we had a couple of uncomfortable hours all the while I'm trying so hard to put a "happy face" on, but actually disappointed at them because it was THEY who wanted to visit this VERY LIBERAL city. They bought all kinds of Berkeley stuff when we visited the campus, then went to Haight for the once "Hippie" scene, so it was a liberalized trip. We come from a very RED County, the one Katherine "Cruella" Harris ended up representing after her stint as Secretary of State here. Remember 2000?

We DID manage to put the whole thing behind us because it was a short vacation and I didn't want to ruin it, but she kept making comments about people marching against Obama. I told her I wasn't against Obama over and over, but now feel I CAN'T send this information to her because of her stance! Since our return, we haven't talked politics where once we talked almost every day. I just told her it was time for "her" generation to take over and I should pass the torch!

I REALLY wonder what she must be thinking about this and I could call, she lives up the road, but I won't as I'm afraid she may be trying to look the other way. She wasn't brought up this way and I really don't like thinking she will defend this, but I don't know. In time I'm sure the issue will come up, but for now I stand my ground AGAINST what he's doing regarding this.

IT IS WRONG and as a Constitutional lawyer, at the VERY least his GUT must be telling him so!

Sorry for going on and on, but this thing has gotten under my skin!

[ChiciB1]

66. Oh... One More Thing.... WELCOME TO DU, The Place Can Get Wild At Times! n/t

[Democracyinkind]

90. So I've noticed. Thank you for your post.

... Thanks for posting your story. It was an interesting read. Things are really complicated... On the one hand you just want to say "it's ok now, Bush is gone" but on the other hand you remember Clinton, who was way better than Bush, but still not what I really wanted. I'm not even sure Gore would have been that. Me, I'm still waiting for the peace dividend. I think it's pretty much due, and had hopes in this administration - but then again, they can't change the world in one day, it's just this creepy feeling I have that that's no longer what they're promising.
It's like with the increasing defense budget. You can call it "cutting" all you want, I just don't get how a democratic administration can outspend a republican one on defense. I feel it's Clinton revisited. I was still pretty young when he came on but I remember my mom being all nervous about it and how she talked about "the peace dividend" and the "change of generation" and that now for once we could think about paths not yet pursued. And then? Of course it was a liberal administration, but there is this creepy continuity which seems to go deeper than just blue/red.

Anyway. Thanks for the personal anecdote, it helps me to see that I'm not the only one standing in between. And thanks for the welcome.

PS . I know Clinton cut the budget relative to Regan/Gore - but the changing global context would have allowed for allot more, if it would have been possible to fundamentally re-discuss what America is and what it should be. It seemed like the right time back then.

[SlingBlade]

37. Turley say's Obama is only interested in Programs

Then the question is, What IS President Obama's Agenda ?
Is it as the Wingnuts suggest, To destroy America
or is it to reinvent America ?

Lot's of Obama bashing here on D.U Recently, Some legit such as this, Most not.
What say you ?

What IS Obama's Agenda ?:kick:

[tomp]

44. obama's agenda is...

...protect corporate/military america while appearing to be one of "us". it's that simple.

[ChiciB1]

55. Beginning To Feel The Same Way & It Makes Me SAD To Say So!! n/t

[chill_wind]

40. K & R n/t

[disndat]

41. I think it's a clever chess move.

I may be an unabashed "cut Obama some slack" supporter. I think now the tables are turned. Obama can spy on the Republicans all he wants including Bush , Cheney, Rove, and gang. Now these gangsters will be afraid to make any telephone calls or emails. The cannot move their bundles of misbegotten money freely overseas. Turnaround is fair play.

[GoCubsGo]

42. Interesting take...

The wiretapping rules have to be reversed by Congress, don't they? I can't see Inhofe, Cornyn, Hatch, DeMented, and the others nutters being too happy about Obama having those powers.

[polmaven]

52. There is nothing to "reverse" here.

Warrantless wiretapping has never been authorized by Congress. FISA has accommodations for the nearly immediate issuance of a secret warrant by a FISA judge after showing probable cause. What we are talking about here is simply bypassing that step....no NEED for probable cause, no NEED for warrants...we'll just DO it.

[tomp]

43. so you're FOR disregarding constitutional principles?

there are actual legal means of pursuing criminals, none of which the obama administration or the congress seems to be eager to pursue.

[disndat]

54. The point is, Obama cannot

reveal or prosecute the Bushies for the crimes they committed because the Republicans are threatening the 'Nuclear option,' i.e., to block all the bills Obama needs to be passed in Congress to stabilize the economy, health care reform, etc. At least, IMHO, this way he could checkmate the Bush people from doing their nefarious deeds, like planning assassinations, move tons of their misbegotten money overseas, God knows what else, just use your imagination. They can no longer communicate with each other or anybody without fear of being listened to by Obama's people and not have all their messages recorded in the govt. computers.

[sattahipdeep]

64. How should we behave?

Restoring Our Nation's Honor
Posted Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:17 AM | By Dawn Johnsen

....
Here is a partial answer to my own question of how should we behave, directed especially to the next president and members of his or her administration but also to all of use who will be relieved by the change: We must avoid any temptation simply to move on. We must instead be honest with ourselves and the world as we condemn our nation's past transgressions and reject Bush's corruption of our American ideals. Our constitutional democracy cannot survive with a government shrouded in secrecy, nor can our nation's honor be restored without full disclosure.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/18/restoring-our-nation-s-honor.aspx

[polmaven]

51. Ignoring the Constitution

is NEVER fair play.....No matter WHO does it.

[disndat]

59. I can't speak for Obama,

but we've just suffer through 8 years of hell. Bush almost turned us into a Banana Republic dictatorship. Bush has virtually nuked our economy as well as most of the world's. I really believe Obama is doing the best he can given the lousy cards he's been dealt and I don't believe he is planning to trash the U.S. Constitution for self-aggrandizement. We just have to wait and see.

[polmaven]

60. I am speaking ONLY about the issue

at hand in this thread - that of warrantless spying. Do not try to paint me as one of the several Obama haters on this board - I am not. I have defended President Obama on many issues.

Actually, so far, this is the ONLY issue I have been disappointed about, but it is a real doozy. I don't care for what reason he is doing this - It is very, very wrong, and I will let him know my feelings about it.

[readmoreoften]

69. Obama Theories are like conspiracy theories in reverse. Only conspiracy theories usually have

at least some evidence, while Obama theories rely on reconciling Obama's present authoritarian/right wing political moves with his beloved persona. AKA, Obama is just keeping his power dry or this is some move in a 32 dimensional chess game that only Obama understands because he's a genius.

Obama's a company man who's better than Bush because he's makes some concessions for the mainstream (stem-cell, abortion services overseas, small jobs programs, etc.) while allowing the bank industry and the defense industry to, not only keep on truckin', but expand their empires. In fact, this is why he's so popular. The majority of voters don't understand the banking industry and blindly assume that their president has better knowledge of foreign policy than anyone else in the world. While I support stem-cell, abortion services overseas, jobs programs, etc. they are next to meaningless if a president is going to ramp up the police state, expand the "war on terror" and aid those who have destroyed the economy in the first place.

That's what becomes obvious if you look at what the man does as opposed to listening to his speeches.

[grahamhgreen]

71. Wrong is wrong, and you're advocating for criminality and attacking the constitution.

And I love Obama, but I believe in the rule of law.

[DutchLiberal]

84. Oh no, not again! Here we go again with the chess crap...

[redqueen]

45. I'm an Obama supporter, and I agree with Turley.

[antimatter98]

47. Obama is protecting BushCo, at the expense of the Constitution. n/t

[florida08]

50. ty hissy for posting both videos

I missed Olbermann last night and everytime I do it's something important. We have good reason to be disappointed and even angry. I voted for Obama because I believed in what he said he would do. He's a constitutional lawyer and to see him turn a blind eye to it is disconcerting. It will bring into question what he will do about the torture memos and if he will act on the evidence we now have about the Bush administration. He should at least have the courage to explain his rationale. If he continues on this path he will drive a wedge between us and that won't be good for 2012. Turley is exactly right..it doesn't matter if you say you are a good person doing bad things, you're still doing bad things to the country You can only hide behind popularity for so long.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

56. K&R

[BrklynLiberal]

58. Turley is a man of principles and honesty!!!

He should have been AG!

[OnyxCollie]

61. I would like someone to ask,

"President Obama, as a former professor of constitutional law, could you please explain the legality of the warrantless wiretap program? Be sure to show all work, please."

[ChiciB1]

67. Off To[ic... But BEAUTIFUL DOG... Thought It Was An Alsatian, But Your Name

say OnyxCollie and I've never seen one. I have two Chocolate Labs and am partial to the larger breeds. SOME DAY, I'm going to take time to figure out how to make a thumbnail for my avatar of them!

Alsatians look much more like German Shepherds and are beautiful too, with the shiny black coat!

Just HAD to comment!

[OnyxCollie]

73. Thank you.

He's a Belgian sheepdog. "Onyx Collie" was just something I made up as a goof to answer people who ask if he is a black Collie.

"This here's an Onyx Collie. And see that white spot on his chest? That's a Star-Sapphire Onyx Collie."

[earth mom]

62. This is damning people. Say what you will about Obama, you can't continue to ignore this shit.

:grr:

[sattahipdeep]

68. Bush administration’s darkest secrets

Senate Republicans are planning to “go nuclear” over the nominations of Dawn Johnsen as chief of the Office of Legal Counsel in the Department of Justice and Yale Law School Dean Harold Koh as State Department legal counsel if the torture documents are made public. The source says these threats are the principal reason for the Obama administration’s abrupt pullback last week from a commitment to release some of the documents. A Republican Senate source confirms the strategy. It now appears that Republicans are seeking an Obama commitment to safeguard the Bush administration’s darkest secrets in exchange for letting these nominations go forward.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Are-Republicans-Blackmaili-by-Scott-Horton-090407-699.html

:hi:

[blueworld]

63. It was a great segment

And frankly, I'm getting the sinking feeling that Pres. Obama is leaning more towards glitz and great words - or to quote Turley, Obama is a man of programs & not principles". Sorry, people, but this combined with the Geithner bailout bs has me seriously concerned. Whatever the GOP threatens, I want to see this administration fight them in the press, on the TV and in the streets, if necessary. Not behind closed doors, wheeling & dealing & "compromising" our Constitutional rights away (along with my grandchildren's money). :(

[MissDeeds]

75. Yowzer

"I think that right now the Bush people are bringing out their 'Mission Accomplished' sign".
Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.

I hope Obama is listening.

[Jefferson23]

76. K&R, and this makes me sad beyond words.

[katty]

77. thank you Jonathan

[valerief]

78. K&R

All pols are bought and paid for.

[MasonJar]

79. I think Jonathan Turley hit the jackpot when he stated that Obama is

more interested in projects than principles. That is the feeling that I get. Obama does not want controversy which will jeopardize his pet projects like bailing out the banks. As Turley also stated, the Constitution is a set of core principles. I agree with Turley's assessment; Obama is eviscerating our right to privacy.

[nvme]

82. Raise some hell!

Don't piss and moan in here take it to him. then come back and say what you did.

[nvme]

87. I wrote the WHITEHOUSE

thats the link to the prez's work let him know your pissed then tell me how you feel after you let him know.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

[DutchLiberal]

83. See how liberal and biased MSNBC is?

:eyes:

[Yavapai]

85. In our government we have a right wing and a left wing.

Unfortunately both are attached to the same corporate bird. :-(

[veganlush]

86. wow. on top of all the awful constitutional ...

ramifications...Obama has done the near impossible: exonerated bushco.:banghead: :scared:

[nvme]

88. sorry for semi spamming

thats the link to the prez's work let him know your pissed then tell me how you feel after you let him know.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/