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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 04:59 PM
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Climate Denial Crock of the Week - The
 
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Posted on YouTube: April 20, 2009
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Find out what a straw man argument is, and how the most spectacular cherry pick in the history of scientific argument is just part of a day's work for the professional deniers.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:06 PM
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1. This guy does a great job.
K&R

Also, if you like, click on the link and give it a YouTube recommendation.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:30 PM
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2. Every week, you better believe it!!
Not only are the videos some of the most educational and awesome I've ever seen, but the denier comments underneath are always good for a laugh... or a nice long cry... depending on your mood. :hi: :P :rofl:
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 01:16 AM
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7. Oops,
Greenman, Sorry for the "this guy" in the title. I didn't see that you posted this. You do a great job and a great service to intelligence.
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 08:41 AM
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9. one guy to another
no problem.
just tell all your friends and neighbors, if you found it
useful.
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:53 PM
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3. I enjoy watching the Climate Denial Crock of the Week intertube videos.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:06 PM
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4. Is there an episode debunking Jaworski's contention that ice core data aren't reliable?
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 07:07 PM by RufusTFirefly
I don't think anyone but the most ardent denier would pay attention to this argument, but I've heard it mentioned more than once.
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 09:04 PM
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5. for future reference, can you point me to that?
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 10:16 PM
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6. Sorry. I left off a syllable in his last name. It's Zbigniew Jaworowski
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 10:18 PM by RufusTFirefly
Here's an article from Canada's famously conservative National Post as an example


The Ice-Core Man

Once upon a time, and for millennia before then, carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were low and stable. Then came the industrial revolution and CO2 levels began to rise. The more man industrialized, the more that CO2 -- and the temperature -- rose....

This story is a fable, says Zbigniew Jaworowski, past chairman of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation, a participant or chairman of some 20 Advisory Groups of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the United Nations Environmental Program, and current chair of the Scientific Committee of the Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection in Warsaw....

"The IPCC relies on ice-core data -- on air that has been trapped for hundreds or thousands of years deep below the surface," Dr. Jaworowski explains. "These ice cores are a foundation of the global warming hypothesis, but the foundation is groundless -- the IPCC has based its global-warming hypothesis on arbitrary assumptions and these assumptions, it is now clear, are false."

More here


And here's a rebuttal (in a LTTE) to Jaworowski's contentions in the journal Environmental Science and Pollution Research by none other than Hans Oeschger. This particular file is a PDF

Here's the final paragraph of Oeschger's letter (boldfacing is mine):


The study of the history of Earth system parameters is an on-going process; an increasing number of laboratories have become involved and interact with each other. As it is the case in any field of science, the state of art is continuously critically assessed and attempts are made to improve the quality of the research. Ice-core information is fundamental for the assessment of one of the most urgent problems of our time. Based on my experience during decades of involvement in this field, I consider the chances as very small that the major findings from greenhouse gas studies on ice cores are fundamentally wrong; and I find the publications of JAWOROWSKI not only to be incorrect, but irresponsible.


Hope this helps. Thanks so much for your videos. They're terrific.
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Zero Division Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:33 AM
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8. Now if only the deniers would actually listen.
I love how one denier in the comments section simply reiterates the very argument that this video refutes. Hilarious and depressing at the same time.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 10:45 AM
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10. Wow I learned a lot there. Did not know about the orbital effects things
Great thanks. I will watch some more of this guy's presentations.

rec'd
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