Elie Wiesel Verbally Abused as "Zio-Nazi" by Ahmadinejad Entourage at Durban II

[Behind the Aegis]

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[rateyes]

1. Ahmadinejad is as big a scumbag as Netanyahu.

BTW, BTA, you never did answer my question about whether or not you found what Israel did in Gaza to be offensive.

[The Wizard]

3. They are counterveiling forces (NT)

[spiritual_gunfighter]

4. Yeah

They are both giant scumbags and probably wont be happy until the missles are flying.

[Vanje]

8. What does your post have to do with Elie Wiesel in Durban? nt

As far as I know, Dr. Weisel hasn't been doing anything in Gaza recently.

[Jim Sagle]

15. Actually worse by a factor of a million.

[Fedja]

37. Brave assumption

Why is he worse? Deathtoll comparison will do as a reference.

[Jim Sagle]

38. Not in this case, it won't, since Ahmadinejad deathtoll AIMS far outweigh his GRASP thus far.

Thank dog.

Wiesel's aim is to remind us of a horrid past event; Ahmadinejad's is to obliterate that memory along with all survivors.

[Fedja]

39. Sigh.

Therein lies the problem. Either you have no knowledge of the Arab and Persian culture, or you're willfully ignoring it. You translate Ahmadinejad's words into his aims, ignoring the fact that the region is known for showmanship and dramatically exaggerated speech. In my country we have an ancient saying about it, "The mountain shook, and a mouse was born".

Now sure, I know words are a dangerous pretext to actions, but let's look at the facts briefly.. First of all, Ahmadinejad has practically no leverage on actual policy in Iran. He's the marketing department of the establishment at best, and the true strings are not in his hands. Secondly, Iran hasn't attacked one of it's neighbors in centuries. It has not in the past, nor is it currently occupying any foreign lands, it is not killing civilians abroad in regular military incursions...

Bottom line, Ahmadinejad is the worst person in the world because he speaks out dramatically and harshly against the Israeli policies, right? He's worse than the leaders of Israel that speak softly, but bomb the living shit out of the Palestinian civilian population to gain leverage in their local elections.

Again, I don't support extremist speeches. I think they're hazardous, although not as bad as we'd expect in a region that always garnishes every noun with five superlative adjectives. Regardless, looking at the factual evidence, your claim that he AIMS to do this and that is unfounded, even if you pick apart his words to find supporting arguments.

The saddest thing is that this ideological divide is abused by people such as yourself to justify and/or ignore the blatant slaughter of the people of Palestine. You're using theories to mask the blood of innocent children, men, and women. How you all can sleep at night is beyond me.

[Jim Sagle]

41. This is DU not PU. Perhaps at some point you'll grasp that distinction.

[Fedja]

42. Don't project.

As much as you would love for me to have some vested interest with which you could invalidate my arguments, I only have one point of reference.

I live in the Balkans, where I experienced the horrors of death, discrimination, and foreign army occupation 1st hand. I know damn well what words can do, and when words are just words.

Your answer clearly indicates that you're biased trying to shoot down my defense of human rights and peaceful policies by accusing me of trying to further an agenda of a nation which is as foreign to me as it is to you.

Good luck with that.

[Jim Sagle]

43. You project much more than I do.

You go on at GREAT length about my alleged motives and then complain when I make a brief reference to yours.

[Fedja]

44. I didn't mention your motives at all

Other than pointing out that you're putting more importance on words than you are on murder. That was pretty evident from your original statement, so it wasn't even an assumption of mine. Surely everyone who objects to murder as I do is more suitable for PU? Sigh.

What makes me sad really, is that the likes of you are fueling the continued slaughters in the middle east. Picking a side as "yours" regardless of facts, and painting anyone else as the enemy. When you've seen through your own bullshit and start to see "people" as equal, be it yours, theirs, or by some statistical improbability, even mine.. Then you'll qualify as debate-worthy.

[Jim Sagle]

45. Let go to the cut and paste machine. You wrote

The saddest thing is that this ideological divide is abused by people such as yourself to justify and/or ignore the blatant slaughter of the people of Palestine. You're using theories to mask the blood of innocent children, men, and women. How you all can sleep at night is beyond me.

and I responded

You go on at GREAT length about my alleged motives and then complain when I make a brief reference to yours.

to which you replied

you're biased trying to shoot down my defense of human rights and peaceful policies

and added

Then you'll qualify as debate-worthy.

There's only response suitable for that, namely: haw haw haw.

[Fedja]

46. zzzz

Note that I didn't even remotely question anyone's motives. I did however comment on your public positions. Far be it from me to assume to know your motives, the only time you showed a trace of "motives" was when you accused me of being too sympathetic to the palestinian people.

Oh, and copy pasting half-sentences to bend the meaning is weak.

[Jim Sagle]

47. I didn't bend a damn thing. You lied in your teeth and everyone saw it.

Everyone who was still awake, anyhow. :boring:

[Ken Burch]

26. Yes, Ahmadinejad is a scumbag. NO, this DOES NOT justify letting Israel bomb Iran

We all know such an attack would have to be just as indiscriminate as the IDF slaughter campaign in Gaza and would kill as many innocent people. It would also be certain to doom Iran's remaining Jewish population. There can't be any positive outcome to an attack on Iran.

Threads like this are the modern-day equivalent of the "the Germans are bayoneting Belgian babies" propaganda campaigns that got the U.S. into the imperialist power game known as World War I.

Nothing anyone can do from outside can give Iran a better government or weaken Ahmadinejad. We all have to accept that. Change in Iran can only come if its entirely from within.

We ALL condemn Ahmadinejad. No military response to Iran can ever be moral.

[Behind the Aegis]

27. More strawmen? Surprise.

[Ken Burch]

28. No strawman.

There's no news in this story. Ahmadinejad hasn't said anything here he hasn't said before. There could be no possible reason to be going on about this other than to build support for a bombing strike on Iran, even though everyone knows nothing positive could come of such an attack.

Would you agree that such a strike would have to be insane and pointless?

[Name removed]

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[drbones]

31. The video has nothing to do with Ahmadinejad!

[Ken Burch]

32. Well, his "entourage" then, and there was only one reason to start this thread

And that was to beat the drum for bombing Iran.

Never mind that we all know that nothing good could come from doing that.

[aquart]

2. Eh.

And they differ from so many members of DU in what way?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

5. All I got to say is

nice, really nice.

[drbones]

6. Does Mr Wiesel have a new book coming out?

Looks like Mr. Wiesel is either trying to raise some cash or promoting a book possibly? Where is he when the world really needs him to speak out against social injustice?

[Vanje]

9. "Where is he when the world needs him to speak out against injustice?"

Where is he when the world really needs him to speak out against social injustice?

Um. At the UN World Conference Against Racism? In Durban? Speaking out against.....social injustice...maybe?
I dont think he went to Durban on a bird-watching trip, or a safari.

[drbones]

14. Wiesel not invited to Durban II

Countering negative publicity and criticism against the State of Israel and
"Speaking out against.....social injustice" are two completely different things.

Mr Wiesel has actually spent most of his time criticizing Durban II.

It turns out he was actually part of a kind of anti-Durban II event organized by Jewish Community of Geneva called the "Geneva Summit for Human Rights, Tolerance and Democracy". Hmm.

[Vanje]

20. "Human Rights, Tolerance and Democracy".....Oh My!

"Geneva Summit for Human Rights, Tolerance and Democracy". Hmm.


Oh the Humanity!

Its all a Joo-ish plot !

[Jim Sagle]

16. He's speaking out against social injustice, as he always has.

[drbones]

17. He's speaking out against critism of Israel

and that's about it.

[Vanje]

All about Isreal...........Just like....

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when Wiesel joined George Clooney in meeting with the UN Security Council to denounce genocide in Darfur
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19816&Cr=Darfur&Cr1=

..or when he made the bold statement "No human being is illegal", about growing anti-immigrant sentiments in the US.
http://www.bordercrossinglaw.com/blog/archives/81

[drbones]

23. $$$$$$$$

As long as he gets his minimum $25,000 speaking fee and chauffeured limousine.

Maybe his fee has gone up now that he and the wife have admitted to losing millions in Bernie Madoff's ponzi scheme.

[rpannier]

21. You're trying to be funny I hope

Mr. Wiesel has been speaking out against genocide, ethnic cleansing and social injustice for over 40 years.

You've been doing what during that time????

[Vanje]

22. ..

trolling?

[Name removed]

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[Creideiki]

34. Ad hominem logical fallacy

Look at the argument, not who is making the argument.

[ro1942]

7. Iran

when has Iran treated a nation like israel has treated philistine, the u.s.a. has made them a enemy because of our partnership with israel, they haven't attack any nation in over a millennium.

[Vanje]

10. Where is Philistine? nt

[Fedja]

40. well done

Sure his spelling is terrible, but I like how you ignored his argument conveniently on account of it.

[Starry Messenger]

13. Yeah, you're not making a whole lot of sense here...

but the USA has been meddling in Iranian affairs for decades. Operation Ajax? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

[Starry Messenger]

11. That's really ugly.

A brave man who has seen so much in his life and still goes out and faces that. :(

[Vanje]

12. and the ugly just keeps a coming......nt

[Behind the Aegis]

25. ...and coming.....

Some things, sadly, never change.

[bluedawg12]

33. Looney zealotry. Geesh, rabble acting like trash.

[Fedja]

36. It does get too ugly too often

But still, there's a valid question. Why do we always seem to be more outraged by words than by tanks, bombs and civilian corpses?

[Lena inRI]

18. What was Elie's response to this Iranian's insult?

Elie's retort is crucial here, not only for himself but for what he has worked toward for his post-Holocaust purpose = upholding human dignity anywhere regardless of political persuasion.

I would hope he NOW sees the urgency to:

1--counsel President Obama, and his staff, especially Jewish descendants such as Rahm Emanuel, to speak publicly for HUMAN RIGHTS AND COURT JUSTICE for those who were victims of inhumanity. . .particularly regarding recent U.S. torture of Arabic Gitmo detainees and Israeli assaults on Gaza civilians.

2--become part of the forthcoming Mideast negotiations. . .if he could get the ear of Obama mediators/staff.

Wouldn't both these new active roles be the best response to this Iranian hate-talk?


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[Tiggeroshii]

19. When's that douchebag up for re election?

It will be nice to at least see less imbecilic behavior from Iran. Even if it's not necessarily put into policy. Wow.

[drbones]

30. Propaganda

Hmmm. Lets see. The man yelling "Zio-Nazi" is Arab so I seriously doubt he is part of the "Ahmadinejad Entourage".
More importantly the man is not yelling at poor Elie Wiesel, he is yelling at the Right-Wing pro-Israel demonstrators with the signs.
I wonder who would want to create this kind of propaganda? The sad thing is how gullible people are.

[JI7]

35. i don't think that guy was yelling at Elie Wiesel but rather at those people with the signs

the guy is still an idiot.

Israel does need to change their policies when it comes to Palestinians. but even if they did the Palestinians and other muslim nations would still be a mess because of their own shitty policies. how are women and gays treated in those nations ?

[roody]

48. If a country does not have full equal rights for gays and

women, does that give the US the right to f**k with them? I mean invade and kill and all that stuff the US does?