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lyonspotter Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 09:14 AM
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Waterboarding and Torture
 
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 09:17 AM
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1. I'd like to add that if you are FOR waterboarding
You should be willing to endure it yourself. If it's not torture then what's the problem?


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lyonspotter Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 12:41 PM
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2. Even then, the contexts are not the same...
Edited on Fri May-22-09 12:43 PM by lyonspotter
The difference in context (between, say, US military training versus the interrogation of a known terrorist) reveals a great deal: the US military authority imposes waterboarding on our special forces who willingly sign up for such procedures as part of personal training and endurance trials, as preparation for and simulation of what might be imposed by the enemy, an enemy that chops off the heads of United States’ servicemen and women. If the Navy SEAL cannot endure treading water in the icy Atlantic for two hours while naked and posing as shark bait, s/he is taken out of the water and sent home, having failed the tribulation, but not pushed to the brink of death except in his own choosing. In all such training cases the ability to decline further pain is afforded. There is, of course, no such friendliness offered in the context of the imprisoned terrorist. We inflict this pain against his will and with the aggressive intent to coerce the confession of desired information – hopefully with the more water poured comes the eventual breaking of his will – and it is in such light, in such a context, that the entire debate must hinge. I'm not sympathetic in the slightest to the terrorists's asserted objectives, but I certainly don't believe we should violate law and become 'terroristic' ourselves by torturing prisoners.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 02:32 PM
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3. Oh I was all for not being able to voluntarily stop the "tribulation"
That's part and parcel. If you are for waterboarding and don't believe it's torture yet believe it's effective then you should be waterboarded. Not once to see if you can stand it, like some pussy ass Navy Seal or Marine :P, but 2 or 300 times.

If you're willing to die "from natural causes" while being waterboarded, then you should prove it before voting to do it.
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lyonspotter Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 09:53 PM
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4. Well said! EOM
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