Conservative talkshow host 'Mancow' gets waterboarded, says it's torture.

[Ian David]

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[kanrok]

1. Not a fan

But major kudos to Mancow for walking the walk.

Now if we could only get Hannity to submit.

[DesertFlower]

2. hannity will shit his pants

if he sees this video. no way will he ever do it.

[Ian David]

3. Hannity's wig would come off. n/t

[unapatriciated]

37. that would be torture for him

[Chulanowa]

4. A friend and I have a theory...

That Hannity would melt on contact with water.

Maybe they could cornsyrup-board him instead

[NewJeffCT]

5. of course it's torture

but, it's nice to see a RWer suffer sometimes.

[Tuvok Obama]

6. Did you get your DU name from the movie Spinal Tap?

"For one thing that goes wrong... one... one single thing that goes wrong, a hundred things go right. Do you know what I spend my time doing? I sleep two or three hours a night. There's no sex and drugs for Ian, David. Do you know what I do? I find lost luggage. I locate mandolin strings in the middle of Austin."

[atomic-fly]

7. Dumb ass!

Just because we renamed it doesn't mean it's not torture!
Now, I believe if you really think someone knows something vital then you would be
willing to break the law to get the information. But it should be illegal as a rule.
It better be damn important enough for you to risk your own ass.

[MindMatter]

20. How come nobody in government will call it what it is?

It is torture. It has been torture for 400 years or more. it is still torture.

Obama and everybody else in the administration and Congress need to stop playing Cheney's and Limbaugh's game by calling it "rough handling, aggressive interrogation or whatever bullshit terms they come up with.

The torturers are winning the word games here.

[MindMatter]

40. Let's call for EVERY right wing talk show host to do the same

Anybody who isn't prepared to stipulate that waterboarding is torture needs to get the board.

And not one of these lightweight sessions where there is a friendly Marine doing the deed, promising to stop the very instant you drop the beanbag from your hand, with an EMT standing by to make sure there will be nothing more than a momentary discomfort. You can bet your ass that is not the way they did it to the people we tortured at Gitmo and elsewhere.

I want to see Limbaugh, Hannity, and all the torture defenders in COngress get it exactly the same way KSM got it and they have them tell us it isn't torture.

[hwmnbn]

8. do it only 182 more times ....

and Mancow would know what KSM knows.

[Cronus Protagonist]

9. I have direct experience of this

It happened to me once while doing an Eskimo roll where I was unable to keep the water from going up my nose. Panic sets in immediately. Your body convulses and pushes everything away. You panic to the highest degree possible.

After that happened, I could not do another one ever again because I never, ever want to be in that situation again. Ever. That's how bad it is.

And to have that done to me more than once in a lifetime is unthinkable. Some people had it done several times a day, several times a week, for a long time. Completely tied up and unable to get the guy to stop pouring water. It's just plain evil. Evil.

[DerekJ]

19. If I can recommend a post, I`d recommend yours.N/T

[Wetzelbill]

22. Imagine thinking it was done by a person who wanted to kill you

You're sleep deprived, been in a rathole box with a spider or something you're scared of, you probably need medical care, and you're dragged into a room and waterboarded thinking these guys might just want to kill you. Not good.

[pokercat999]

25. Hmmmmm..what would you tell them? ANYTHING! nt

[heliarc]

45. And that's just all the stuff they've told us about ....

What about the stuff that we know happened but isn't even on the "approved" list of "enhanced" techniques?

Like raping children (Titan employee)
Or dog bites.
Or threatening to kill and rape family members.

We know that people have died in custody at Abu Ghraib, and I'm guessing there are a bunch we don't know about.

So the list is longer... These guys are torturers. They taught Pinochet, Noriega, Hussein, and most of the other right wing dictators who've used torture on their own people.

[Cronus Protagonist]

49. Evil

I can't think of a better word for it. Other than torture, which seems pale in comparison.

[Number23]

10. So let's see...

The US government declared waterboarding torture when the Vietnamese did it to American soldiers; Navy Seal Jesse Ventura says waterboarding is torture; brilliant professional writer/intoxicant Chris Hitchens says it's torture.

But somehow, conservatives won't truly believe that it's torture unless some radio host named MAN COW says it's torture???? :crazy: :wtf:

ETA: And when he blew his nose, it sounded just like one of those old trumpets from Looney Toons. :)

[tridim]

13. You think this is going to change conservative minds?

I bet they ignore the video completely.

[Ian David]

15. Use it as the new RickRoll for conservative trolls

Here: http://tinyurl.com/pqfwe8

[wryter2000]

16. What an awesome idea

You are truly evil. Remind me not to get on your bad side. :rofl:

[Number23]

18. You're probably right. But their "ignore" window is shrinking rapidly on this issue

Soon, even cRush will be issuing his mea culpa on water boarding.

[Wetzelbill]

23. they'll just think it's still not that bad

Enough of them presume to be so tough that they just believe they could handle it and everybody else is weak.

[snake in the grass]

38. They're not ignoring it.

They just think Mancow is a wuss.

Read the comments:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/22/video-mancow-gets-waterboarded/

Despicable.

I wonder what they think about our soldiers raping Iraqi boys in front of their mothers.

[rhett o rick]

11. Not a fair test.

Everyone knows that conservative radio talk show hosts are sniveling cowards. Not a fair test.

[DUlover2909]

12. that was cool

[safeinOhio]

14. Any act that

causes pain, panic and discomfort to the degree that one will say something that person is unwilling to say, is torture.

[greenman3610]

17. bring on that pussy hannity

[Wetzelbill]

21. As I've said before, I tried it 4 times

And exactly as he says, you think it doesn't sound bad and that you can hold out, but you can't. It's bad. I could see somebody having a heart attack from it too, it makes your heart beat practically through your chest. Again, you just think "Oh it's a little water, plus I know these guys aren't really going to hurt me, I can just hold out and fight it." No you can't. That first time I made it 9 seconds I think, and I was shocked. I couldn't believe it was like that. One of the times I made it I think 21 seconds and it took everything I had to do it. The toughest CIA and Special Forces soldiers give up after about 15 seconds, and if that's on just one shot, then kudos to them, because I could only do it longer after knowing what to expect and toughing it out as hard as I could. It totally wiped me out too, I felt like I was run through a ringer the rest of the night. I wish that on nobody. I am surprised KSM as a middle aged man, who is not in overly great physical condition (at least as far as I could tell from pictures) lived through that many of them.

I give this guy credit for trying it, but I'd not recommend anybody else doing so. Did you see how shaky and scared he was afterwards? One of these days somebody is going to try it and kill themselves, it's a Darwin Award waiting to happen. Take it from somebody who was dumb enough to try it themselves, not my finest move.

[iamthebandfanman]

24. not a fan BUT

i give him credit for actually stepping up and having it done...
just imagine it with no way to stop and for longer periods of time...
those were his friends doing it to him, not someone who could give a shit about his welfare...

[tomm2thumbs]

26. Unfortunately, videos like this are going to inspire kids to start doing it to each other

I hope no one gets hurt but I have bad feelings about this - the internet can inspire some really stupid behavior and this fits that if done for kicks on someone else

[Ian David]

31. Maybe that is what it will take for certain people to "get it."

"But Daddy, you and Bill O'Reilly said it wasn't so bad! I didn't mean to kill my little brother!"

[tomm2thumbs]

33. tragic, but possible

I sure hope not

[Wednesdays]

27. K&R

:kick:

[Bread and Circus]

28. Well, at least he was honest.

[troubledamerican]

41. Definitely. Give him credit for candor. BUT

he's not among the pantheon of top rabid right-wing talkers BECAUSE of a willingness to admit he was wrong.

No other right-wing hosts, even after waterboarding, would admit they were wrong.

In other words, expect future Reichists who get waterboarded to have (a) a backpocket rationale for their adverse reaction, and/or (b) a handpicked illusionist to administer fake waterboarding.

[jennied]

43. He almost seemed like he wasn't going to admit it. But then he did. Good for him.

[Tx4obama]

29. Kick n/t

[Jack Rabbit]

30. K/R

Mancow showed the courage of his convictions, unlike Hannity.

[Mother Of Four]

32. See I can respect that-

He put himself into the position, even though it wasn't with everything that someone who really had it done had to go through. Right then and there he admitted he was wrong and that it absolutely was torture. To the extent that if he knew it was that bad he never would have agreed to do it.

Hopefully some of these idjits spouting that it's not so bad will sit up and take notice. It take coconuts of steel to admit when you're that wrong.

I don't agree with his politics, but I have to :thumbsup: for this.

[MindMatter]

42. Maybe he will figure out that the rest of the head trash he believes

is also just as wrong. It is called an epiphany.

[Darkhawk32]

34. He wasn't even at a steeper decline angle or even tied.

He got the lite version of waterboarding.

[Liberal_Christian]

35. THIS IS THE BEST CULTURED EXAMPLE OF THE ENTIRE RIGHT WING IDEOLOGY

as soon as you interject rationalism, intelligence, sympathy, and personal experience into any faucet in the conservative ideology, the principle in question is immediately quelled ie;
-this currant economic state; proving regulation and oversight are needed as oppose to a "free" market approach
-this currant environmental state; despite the cause, everyone now realizes we need to be more environmentally conscious
-now water-boarding, so many conservatives at first calling us the "whiners" for what they now realize was rationalism

Throughout history the mentality that is known presently as "conservatism" has always chosen tradition over intelligence and has viewed intelligence as an "evil" counter to the "benevolent" tradition. The irony is that Liberals have done more for the people of this country than conservatives and the only obstacle that ever stood in the way of such progress was a conservative agenda.

[President Decider]

36. AND SO THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE ....

Isn't it amazing when watching "absolute truth" that you really don't need to say much after you witness it.

Truth is as pure and clear as the morning mountain air after a cool spring rain.

[davidpdx]

39. Hannity table for one

Hannity your table is waiting you big coward!

[LatteLibertine]

44. Yep

I'd say Sean didn't do it because of; fear, he wouldn't last long, and mainly he'd have to admit it's torture.

[underpants]

46. Gee I could have told you that you meat head

:beer:

[jeff30997]

47. They did it very very gently compared to the real deal..

And he said something that was not in his own interest:This is torture.He will

lose some fans for that.Now imagine all you would say to stop the real thing.

Anything.That is not only cruel but also totally useless for getting valuable

informations.And of course this applies to all the disgusting techniques that

they are using.This is so sick! :grr:

Thanks Ian David.Recommended.

[Wetzelbill]

52. I guarantee that some of his fans

watched and/or listened to that and still think it isn't that bad and that they could be tough enough to handle it, so they'll dismiss this for their already ingrained opinion.

Did you see him telling the guy to grab his nose differently etc? I am thinking that the person getting waterboarded while in custody doesn't exactly get to tell anybody how to do a damn thing.

[jeff30997]

53. I finally forced myself to click on the link...

that snake in the grass provided: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/22/video-mancow-gets-waterboarded/

And what a surprise! They have "Real Men" over there who pretend that he's a wuss,wimp and so on.

Pretty funny in a pathetic way.They try to show how tough they are but the only thing

that they reveal is the extend of their ignorance.

[Wetzelbill]

54. that's exactly what you think

That it won't be that tough. I knew it had to be tougher than it seems, but I still figured I could hold out for 30 seconds or so. Those guys on that board dismiss it like it's not that hard, if it was so easy well why can't trained special forces soldiers and CIA officers last more than 16 seconds on average? It's waaaaay harder than it looks or sounds. I could break most people after doing it once, just by holding the thought of doing it again over them.

[DFW]

48. He actually had to do that to believe it? What's next? I have a suggestion

The next thing you know, right wing whackos will be telling us that a firing squad isn't
really an execution. My I suggest that any number of radical right-wingers put it to the
test and see for themselves?

[chill_wind]

50. I was surprised he did it, and grateful he was blunt and truthful.

"I would have told them anything to make it stop."

Yes, he will lose a percentage of his following, and hopefully that will be somewhat illuminating to him and a few more pundits of his stripe in the long run as well.

[LiberalLovinLug]

51. There is a more dangerous argument that is drowned out

There are two arguments that continue to foment:

1) Is waterboarding torture?

2) Does torture work (to get valuable information)?

These questions overlap each other at times and what wingnuts have set up is a situation where they can always feel they are in the right.

When finally it is accepted by the majority of Republican voters that waterboarding is indeed torture, and I predict it will happen as more and more of these dumbass conservative shock-jocks are convinced of it, the argument will immediately be flipped to "we should be torturing because they do it / everything changed after 9/11 / what about the ticking time bomb" etc...

Its important to nip this in the bud. Stop humoring these idiots by engaging them in the first argument. By the time we've 'won' that one, they will already have traction on the second point - should we use torture?

If this drags on, then by the end of Obama's second term, familiarity will have bred contentment, and torture will be accepted as normal practice for the nation.

BushCo. set it up this way by insisting over and over that "we do NOT torture!" So all his minions repeat that and the issue gets bogged down in semantics arguments (enhanced interrogation). It would have moved the debate along if he would have been honest and simply said "we do use methods that have been regarded as torture in the past, but we have to use these methods to keep America safe". But of course honesty was not a strong point in the previous administration. But more important it clouded over any further progress in discussing the second more important point. It gave time for the right to come up with a plan to win that second point.

We must slam home the truth that torture does not work, even IF as a nation we swallowed our morality and accepted torture in our arsenal. And more important by accepting it the nation is redefined as a medieval backwards sinking country where the rule of law and police work are no longer important. Start arguing that second point even if there are still asshats out there screaming BUT IT'S NOT TORTURE! because you just know there will come a day when those same asshats will be saying "Hey, I never said it wasn't torture, but whatever it is, it works..."