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SLSmith Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 12:44 PM
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Powell: I Have No Idea if Torture Works..Aware Legal Opinions Given EIT Met the Standards of Law
 
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Powell on what he knew, when told, OLC opinions. "Does Torture Work".
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iamtechus Donating Member (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 01:03 PM
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1. Just another "person of interest". nt
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 01:14 PM
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2. This is very damning
Here he is dancing around and around on the issue of waterboarding. My God, how long has he been in the military? I've never been in the military, but won't soon forget the horrible, frantic feeling of a huge wave washing over me years ago. I was fortunate I fought my way to the surface and didn't drown, but it was a very traumatic experience. Millions of people have no doubt also come close to drowning and could quickly and easily draw the conclusion that waterboarding IS drowning.:rant:

Colin did himself no favors this morning...a pathetic attempt to re-instate himself as a good guy utterly failed. Naturally, he's still a Republican.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 01:23 PM
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3. Met the standards of what law? Torquemada's?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 01:33 PM
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4. Snort
Fucker
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 01:48 PM
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5. Slimy sack o' dog mess.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 01:51 PM
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6. Coward Colin. He'll be converted to zombie cheneyism.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 02:53 PM
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7. Colin Powell, General of the Lifelong Douchebag Club.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:15 AM
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8. Fast talkin' Colin...never told waterboarded same people over 80 times
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:16 AM
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9. not done to protect Americans but to get a connection between Sadam and 9/11 to
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:17 AM
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10. to justify a war and invasion.They were desperate and you said nothing
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:18 AM
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11. because you wanted to justify your speech.Stopped when couldn't find a connection
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:19 AM
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12. The truth is coming out Powell and you were in the loop and afraid of Cheney
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:21 AM
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13. When in doubt, change the subject.."Did you see the guy on TV..."
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:45 AM
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14. Powell knows well enough that you don't get ahead
by rocking the boat and pissing off the boss.


But a test soon confronted Maj. Powell. A letter had been written by a young specialist fourth class named Tom Glen, who had served in an Americal mortar platoon and was nearing the end of his Army tour. In a letter to Gen. Creighton Abrams, the commander of all U.S. forces in Vietnam, Glen accused the Americal division of routine brutality against civilians. Glen's letter was forwarded to the Americal headquarters at Chu Lai where it landed on Maj. Powell's desk.

"The average GI's attitude toward and treatment of the Vietnamese people all too often is a complete denial of all our country is attempting to accomplish in the realm of human relations," Glen wrote. "Far beyond merely dismissing the Vietnamese as 'slopes' or 'gooks,' in both deed and thought, too many American soldiers seem to discount their very humanity; and with this attitude inflict upon the Vietnamese citizenry humiliations, both psychological and physical, that can have only a debilitating effect upon efforts to unify the people in loyalty to the Saigon government, particularly when such acts are carried out at unit levels and thereby acquire the aspect of sanctioned policy."

Glen's letter contended that many Vietnamese were fleeing from Americans who "for mere pleasure, fire indiscriminately into Vietnamese homes and without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves." Gratuitous cruelty was also being inflicted on Viet Cong suspects, Glen reported.

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The letter's troubling allegations were not well received at Americal headquarters. Maj. Powell undertook the assignment to review Glen's letter, but did so without questioning Glen or assigning anyone else to talk with him. Powell simply accepted a claim from Glen's superior officer that Glen was not close enough to the front lines to know what he was writing about, an assertion Glen denies.

After that cursory investigation, Powell drafted a response on Dec. 13, 1968. He admitted to no pattern of wrongdoing. Powell claimed that U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were taught to treat Vietnamese courteously and respectfully. The Americal troops also had gone through an hour-long course on how to treat prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions, Powell noted.

"There may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs," Powell wrote in 1968. But "this by no means reflects the general attitude throughout the Division." Indeed, Powell's memo faulted Glen for not complaining earlier and for failing to be more specific in his letter.

Powell reported back exactly what his superiors wanted to hear. "In direct refutation of this portrayal," Powell concluded, "is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:09 AM
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15. Powell - Boot Licker - the military teaches it well
"In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Later, Powell's assessment would be described as whitewashing the news of the massacre, and questions would continue to remain undisclosed to the public. In May 2004 Powell said to Larry King, "I mean, I was in a unit that was responsible for My Lai. I got there after My Lai happened. So, in war, these sorts of horrible things happen every now and again, but they are still to be deplored." <13>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
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