Countdown: 'Mancow' Talks Waterboarding w/ Keith - "I Drowned as a Kid. This is Worse."

[Hissyspit]

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MSNBC Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN - May 26, 2009: Chicago-based conservative radio host and shock jock Erich "Mancow" Muller talks to Keith Olbermann about a waterboarding that he got on his show just days earlier, which after six seconds he said was "absolutely torture."

Mancow also has issues with Keith about him comparing waterboarding to drowning.

MANCOW: "I would have said anything to make it stop. I drowned as a kid and I had to be revived... This is worse. This isn't gulping for air. Your brain is shut off. This is a gallon of water poured down your nose. It was goodnight, Irene, game over," said Mancow as he recalled the experience to Keith. "Maybe there's a better way to do things than this."

"I felt the effects for two days. I had chest pains... I wasn't expecting this."

[travelingtypist]

1. That was really good.

The tension seemed real that they would've torn each other to shreds if it hadn't been for the $10K. I wish KO hadn't kept showing the tape of his experience over and over and over and over and over, but I can download the MP3 and solve that problem.

[Ohio Joe]

2. He is still a douchebag

But I will give him credit for admitting the truth and not trying to go back to his old stance.

but just a little credit... douchebags don't get more then that from me.

[Hissyspit]

39. He's a typical right-winger. It's only worth understanding or acknowledging if it happened to THEM.

Otherwise, it's obviously just some bleeding-heart whining (:sarcasm:)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. He was honest

and even though I may disagree with his political views, I must grant him that. He has more class-and courage-than Hannity.

[zbdent]

20. "He has more class-and courage-than Hannity"

this too, shall pass ...

what's with the Dante look from Clerks? He thinks it makes him look cool?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

24. You may be right

but for this point in time, I stand by my statement.

BTW, the last time I listened to WLS was to Ron Riley who introduced me to a group called The Beatles. Don't think I'll be listening to Channel 89 when I'm near Chicagoland any more.

[4lbs]

36. It makes him look cool.... on the radio.

:D

[stlsaxman]

4. He lay down, then stood up and spoke the truth.

Both he and Kieth kept their word in this instance.

Bully for Mancow.

[liberaltrucker]

5. C'mon Hannity, you fucking wuss!

You said you'd do it. Put up or STFU. Mr Ventura would be more
than happy to "lend a hand". Your coward ass would be confessing
to being on the Grassy Knoll, even though you weren't yet born.
C'mon, motherfucker. Show America that you're really a MAN. Oops
sorry, got you confused with Ms (Mr?) Coulter. My bad.

[underpants]

6. Well. he sort of looks like Hannity

so there is that

:shrug:

[DerekJ]

7. This deserves a K&R.

[AwakeAtLast]

8. He had chest pains for two days after

and that was after 6 seconds one time. Imagine the aftereffects of 186 times.

It was a great segment.

:kick: and R!

[Chowlie]

26. Hitchens said

that he still wakes up with the feeling of suffocating sometimes.

[Autonomy]

9. Now Hannity looks even more the coward

[Zambero]

42. Exactly. If it's truly "not torture"...

then why did he back out of it? Another chickenhawk bites the dust.

[Stuart G]

10. Terrific, Honesty and Respect from both Olberman and Mancow...well done nt

[Liberal_Christian]

11. As much as I hate to say it, "Mancow" has a point.

I don't agree with torture (including water-boarding) no matter what the circumstances; The Country That Has a Moral Obligation Does NOT Have the "Luxury" of torture. Although the people handing down orders (Rummy and Cheney) had the worst of intentions, our troops performing these acts did not.

I don't think our troops should EVER have permission to do this but they were doing it as what they thought was a means of protecting America; NOT as some perverse statement to our enemies; ergo, they kept it classified. The Taliban- quite the opposite. They caught off heads, not in some practice of interrogation or national security but to make a statement and send a message. One is by far more perverse than the other, BY-FAR.

I'm not saying we should justify torture but it IS important make the distinction in motives and actions.

[Lerkfish]

21. "caught off heads" I"m SErIeS!!!111!!!!

LOL

[Liberal_Christian]

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[northernlights]

31. torture wasn't kept classified for any reason other than

because it was blatantly illegal and could lead to charges of war crimes, both here in the U.S. and at the Hague.

Do you think our intent is not to send "perverse messages" when we drop bombs in relatiation for whatever? What was "shock and awe" if not a perverse message?

[Liberal_Christian]

44. Me? no. Intent of our soldiers? no. Intent of Rummy and Cheney? yes.

My point is they kept it quiet.

[Independent_Patriot]

12. Shameless Promotion till the end...

I almost wish Keith hadn't granted Mancow the publicity...
Even in this brief segment, Mancow is huckstering his new Conservative persona.
Did anyone really believe the mention of him and his wife praying was not pre-calculated?:eyes:
Not to demean anyones' belief system, but given how Mancow has been shamelessly trying to rebrand himself, it rang piously phony.
Like so many before him (Jim Quinn, Beck, Limbaugh, etc), Mancow is yet another scatological morning zoo DJ who has done a 180.
It's worth noting that this morals-on-the-sleeve sensibility was conspicuously absent during his past radio life of Stern-lite fart, dick, and midget jokes.

Keith should've donated the money to Mancow's charity, and then brought Christopher Hitchens on to discuss his bout with "the water cure" instead.

[mackerel]

13. "I drowned as a kid and I had to be revived"

Is it still called drowning then?

[Chulanowa]

15. Yes, it is

Drowning is simply the term for asphyxiation via liquid. If he had died it would have been "death by asphyxiation"

[Seldona]

14. I wonder if he will start calling for investigations?

Or will he continue to support his admittedly torturous masters? This should be at least mildly interesting.

Still waiting for Hannity to be water-boarded. The fact that he fears it so much says more than he ever could. He knows it's torture. He is just another well paid water-carrier who tried to drum up some ratings and had it backfire on him.

[Wednesdays]

16. K&R

:kick:

[heliarc]

17. Him drowning as a kid explains the mental retardation...

Sorry... had to do it.

[Stevepol]

18. Why doesn't somebody challenge Cheney at one of his gigs to let himself be w*-ed??

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[SemperEadem]

27. what does acne scars have to do with this thread?

what's up with the spam link?

[backtoblue]

30. +1

Cheney, being the fearless leader against terror, should be next in line...
(I volunteer to do the pouring)

[BEZERKO]

35. Cheney would never volunteer to be waterboarded,

unfortunately... He wouldn't survive it, his dark heart would explode instantly, seriously. When Mancow talked about the chest pains, I believed him. If it (the simulated drowning) continues, the torturee will have a heart attack. And confessing to anything was the point, especially the idea that Iraq and 9-11 were connected.

[mysticalchick]

22. Props to him ...

... for doing it. I give him enormous credit for putting himself out there. But lord, is he a blow-hard or what? I could barely sit through the five minute piece. I've never listened to him (nor would I now) - is he normally this much of an ass?

[SemperEadem]

28. I feel sorry for his wife

she must have been desperate to be married or something.

[onlyadream]

23. Was there more to the interview?

I would have liked Keith to ask how Mancow now feels about Cheney and what that dick has to say in light of Mancow's "education". Does it make him feel differently about the GOP??

[Chowlie]

25. "I would have said anything to make it stop."

Unfortunately, "anything" includes not only real information, but also "whatever you want me to say" or "stuff I'll just make up to keep you from doing that to me again".

[NewJeffCT]

29. How long until the RWers decry him as a "pussy"?

oops, they already started.

[Twinguard]

32. Waterboarding is and has always been torture.

Since the Spanish Inquisition, waterboarding has been known to be torture by EVERYONE except the Bush administration and their followers. What's the holdup people? Wake up and smell the 1480's.

I think it's pretty sad that someone like Mancow has to be waterboarded for an audience before people get the hint (hopefully). I don't know if I should respect Mancow's courage or pity his stupidity, but I'm glad he had the balls to be subjected to this and I admire his willingness to talk openly and honestly about it. Maybe this will help take a few republicans' blinders off.

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. Just 'enhanced interrogation techniques' doncha know? Hear Obama use that phrase? I did.

:grr:

[upi402]

33. good n/t

[HopeHoops]

34. Good for him! I'm glad he also had the courage to go on with Keith.

I do think he had a point early on - Keith shouldn't have said "we won't agree on anything else". That was confrontational and not necessary.

Otherwise it was a great interview. Not that the wingnuts will ever see it.

[Stuart G]

37. I believe that you are wrong,,the wingnuts have seen this and

as I have said elsewhere, this is it. The torture discussion is over. This video by Mancow, has changed the discussion. The discussion will be facing elsewhere, not this way.

Perhaps they will go back to.."We had to do it for the safety of the country." But even that won't work after this.

Mancow did a tremendous service, by being honest about this experience...that more than anything else, is very very important

What is strange, and perhaps most important, when the shit hit the fan, and everyting was at stake, instead of going into right wing bullshit, Mancow told the truth.

The wingnuts do not do so good up against the truth......

[HopeHoops]

38. Well, if that is the case then it is a good thing.

I'm still glad he had the courage to be honest and admit he had been wrong.

[lbrtbell]

48. I think you misunderstood why Keith said that

Mancow had a confrontational attitude from the start, and Keith just nipped it in the bud by saying that, then focusing on the issue at hand.

It was very necessary for him to get this guy in line, as Mancow was clearly hankering to turn it into an "O'Reilly Factor"-esque argue-fest. By making that quick admission, Keith defused that situation and kept the program under control.

That's something Billo The Clown should try sometime. Because even Michelle Malkin won't appear on his show anymore, since she got disgusted with how O'Lielly let things get completely out of control when she last appeared on "The Factor (Fiction)".

Oh, wait, he wouldn't want to keep things under control...Billo NEEDS that whole high-volume "Maury"/"Jerry Springer Show" atmosphere to boost his ratings, because Lord knows people don't tune in to Billo to hear facts. :rofl:

[TEXASYANKEE]

40. Kudos to Mancow.

But why do Conservatives always say they're Libertarian as soon as voters go overwhelming for Dems?? Him saying he's a Libertarian made me laugh out loud. Yeah, you and Lou Dobbs, Mancow!!

[Lucky Luciano]

43. I know nothing about this guy, but I would believe he is a

libertarian if he is ok with gay marriage and liberal on most other social issues - that whole live and let live mantra he specifically addressed in the interview with KO. I bet he does not espouse those beliefs though and is just the usual GOP turd.

[medeak]

46. boo Keith

Keith should have taken the high road... he appeared small in interview imo

[bjobotts]

47. If only we could convince Hannity that being shot in the head is not death

[Rhiannon12866]

49. Saw this... An incredible segment which should end the argument.

Let the prosecutions begin... And if Cheney still doesn't believe it, let him step up to the plate. :eyes: