NYC Could Have An Independent 9/11 Commission

[reprehensor]

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http://nyccan.org/

[spin]

1. That sounds interesting. I hope it happens. (n/t)

[Sanity Claws]

2. I don't think the city can enforce subpoenas against the federal govt.

I'd love to see this kind of commission but it couldn't compel bush, cheney, the military to testify or force them to produce documents.

[Moosepoop]

36. From the petition site linked in the OP

on the "FAQ" page:

Q: Will the Commission really have subpoena power?

Yes. The Commission’s subpoena power will be broad and will extend to all governmental agencies. Just as the first 9/11 Commission experienced difficulty in gaining access to needed documents and testimony, the new Commission will likely encounter resistance. However, the new Commission, unlike the first 9/11 Commission, will not hesitate to issue subpoenas and go through federal courts to attain enforcement orders.

The question then would be, will the federal courts enforce the subpoenas?

[DaLittle Kitty]

46. KKK & RRR! TIME TO "OUTFOX DA FOXES!"

THESE PEOPLE ARE CROOKS!

[sce56]

3. K&R too bad I can not sign the petition only Registered NewYorkers can sign it!

Go for it NYC!

For those that deny something was wrong listen to Norman Minetta's Testimony to the commission; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO-9LQDFE2Y at about 35seconds he talks about the plane coming into the Pentagon how Cheney was questioned about the orders by a lowly Airman then Cheney just about bites his head off saying the orders still stand yet no orders were given to shoot down a plane until 93 was already down? So what were the orders Darth Cheney gave? Stand down!

[Politicalboi]

4. That's good and

Bush saying he saw the first plane hit while waiting to enter the classroom that morning. Just put Beavis and Butthead on the stand under oath and ask them what they meant. I hope they get another investigation. And we as a country paid the price for 9/11 so we all should be able to sign the petition

[Titonwan]

13. Bush had no idea what was to happen. He was a patsy.

If this was ever uncovered, they'd need paddy wagons to take all the guilty away in Washington (and Texas and Wyoming).

http://www.documentarywire.com/the-new-american-century

Think drone airplanes are new? Try 1962... the size of airliners. Suspend your skepticism and fast forward to 38 minutes if you're impatient
(although the entire film is mind boggling). If the real facts were to come out, the world would truly be a different place- for the BETTER.
The GOP would officially become extinct.

[ooglymoogly]

21. A riveting, spellbinding and utterly devastating documentary....a must see film.

Our shame and its perpetrators are being covered up by folks who cannot fathom the consequences of what they are doing. We as Americans will wallow in that shame our souls seeping away from us till that shame is brought to justice. When does "pragmatism" become a part of the crime?

[defendandprotect]

24. That's not likely . . . it also looks like Poppy knew and many others in government . . .

However, some suggest that the reason Bush blurted out that he had seen the first plane
is because he might have seen some of the film PRIOR to 9/11. I've no doubt he had a
clear idea of the overall plan. Obviously, he had to have a degree of nervousness
about the plot being uncovered -- and that I presume is why he was flying around all day.

Needless to say, Cheney was busy . . . and why would he need to talk with Bush.
They kept him in the air in more ways than one. But he is certainly not innocent of anything
that happened on 9/11.

A lot of people were congregated at Offut Air Force base - an odd assortment of people,
some from the WTC -- and all of that adds more questions.

Interestingly, the night before 9/11 -- Bush was so well protected that they even installed
anti-ballistic missiles on the rooftop of the hotel where he was staying!

Yet, we are to believe that the Pentagon had no such defense -- !!!

Meanwhile, those who seem to know say the Pentagon did have a defense system but it was
turned off!!

I think these people are asking the right questions -- "tampering with evidence" is one
very obvious one. Not that we got much truth from the Oklahama bombing investigation
but at least there was the pretense of examining the building/evidence.

Needless to say, NORAD's lack of response and the "coincidence" of four simulated training
programs programs going on at the same time -- "coincidentally" dealing with hijacked planes
is beyond the pale!

Bush, himself, had been talking about invading Iraq at least a year before he was elected.
I'm sure he/Dad had plenty of exposure to these ideas. The opportunity of the WTC needing
to be dismantled seems to have come together with the PNAC/neo-con need for a "false flag
operation. Myers also seems highly complicit in 9/11.

Thanks for the link -- interesting -- couldn't watch it all right now.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

11. But, you CAN Donate

I did.

[Kaleko]

5. DU could rec this up at the YouTube site.

How about helping this plea for a credible investigation to go viral?

[peace13]

9. Thanks, will do. n/t

[sparky7777]

6. 911 WAS MURDER

[MrMickeysMom]

27. Welcome to DU, sparky7777

I like your bumper sticker, too.

[sparky7777]

54. Thank you MM

[valerief]

32. Yep. The more people shout, "Conspiracy theorist," the more I believe

the conspiracy is true.

[heliarc]

40. Just because you're paranoid...

doesn't mean no one's out to get you.

[JohnyCanuck]

7. K&R n/t

[JohnyCanuck]

8. NYCCAN.ORG

Following the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in 2004, 66% of New Yorkers were in favor of another investigation to address the "still unanswered questions". Commission Chairman Thomas Kean would later come forward with the stunning assessment that the Commission was, in his words, “Set up to fail”. NYCCAN (NYC Coalition for Accountability Now) strives to deliver the 9/11 Families, ailing First Responders and New Yorkers what they deserve: an investigation that will succeed.

How?

New York City voters have the power to legally mandate the formation of a new investigation with subpoena power by petitioning to place a referendum on the ballot in the November 2009 General Election. With the passage of this referendum New York City will take the first giant step towards truth and justice.

http://nyccan.org

[90-percent]

10. Unanswered questions

There's a million of them.

one of my favorites is:

Why doesn't our government release the full pictures of the plane going in to hte Pentagon? They edited it down to the impact fireball and there's no release of the actual plane going into the building? The FBI scoffed up all surveilance vids in the surrounding area MINUTES after the crash. How could they have acted so quickly in so many places if there was not an existant plan in place?

-90% Jimmy

[stlsaxman]

12. hey Jim- it's "scarfed up" not "scoffed"- unless you're from Bahston... heheh

how ya been, dude? :hi:

[90-percent]

55. Hello

Dom old buddy.

For what it's worth, you're the first one on DU that I'm on a first name basis. Well, in the first five, anyway.

And what's a guy from Seattle doing lecturing a guy from NORTHWEST CONNECTICUT on proper BOSTON pronunciations?

-90% Jimmy

off to look for an appropriate "facetious" icon!

[stlsaxman]

57. Seattle?

Like John Lennon said at the end of "All You Need Is Love"...

Guess again!

Not only are we facetious here in StL, we're fastidious in our facetiousin'

regarding accents- i don't know shit from applebutter... i'm just funnin' witcha!

SaintLouisSax Dom

ps- ltns... how's things?

[AtheistCrusader]

23. The cameras that captured the actual impact were not high speed cameras.

The security cams I placed around my home have the same sort of problem. The capture card pulls in 32 frames per second, cinema quality right? That's if I attach one camera. Add a second, the framerate is split. Currently I'm running 4 cameras, so I'm getting 8 frames per second. Without spending a LOT of money on security cams and the underlying video capture systems, you're not going to get very good framerates, back in 2000-2001. (today, you can get a pretty slammin' capture card for a couple hundred bucks, no problem) Consider these were installed in traffic control gates, essentially to capture the person who pushed the button to get a parking ticket from the gate, and a second to grab the image of the vehicle as it passed by. They probably didn't spend a lot on it. Certainly not a high speed camera needed to capture a 757 travelling at around 530mph, for the field of view that would have exposed the plane to the camera.

So that seems consistent and normal. However, I would like to see the surveilance video from the Citgo gas station across the street, and the hotel, which have not been made public, to my knowledge.

[defendandprotect]

31. You're comparing your safety needs with the Pentagon's . . .!!!?????

:blush:

Yep, guess the Pentagon was too shy to ask for more money for better equipment--!!!

Presuming they shop in the same place you do -- Home Depot?

They also supposedly didn't have any security at the Pentagon . . . you know,

something like anti-missile defense?

Those who were familiar with the Pentagon say the systems were turned off.

There wasn't even a WARNING to Pentagon employees that there was "incoming" . . .

which Cheney knew about at least 30 or more minutes before the impact, according

to Minetta's testimony!

:blush:

[AtheistCrusader]

38. Calm down.

At the time, the technology was limited. That vehicle checkpoint didn't warrant a $20,000 surveilance system. It is not unusual that it would only show about 3 frames related to the approach, and do so with terrible quality. The sytems at the gas station and hotel were probably running regular VHS tape. No nice HD quality stuff. In fact, the video from the checkpoint might have been magnetic tape like VHS as well. VHS is 29 frames per second, at full speed, fast play. A VHS type security system doesn't run at that speed, to extend the capacity of the tape. It would be interesting to know exactly what hardware was installed in the checkpoint, but based on the relatively low importance of it, the quality of the video is completely unsurprising, whether it was a digital DVR sytem, or VHS based system.

And please drop the hyperbole, you don't buy this stuff at home depot(They have a crappy 4 camera DVR bundle now, but they didn't back then) Why are you attacking me? What is wrong with you?

I never said the incident shouldn't be investigated. I also stated I would like to see the video from the gas station and hotel.

Edit: The gas station video was released to Judicial Watch, through a FOIA request. It's a terrible VCR based surveilance system, and the tracking on tape was in poor condition to boot. Same problem, you can see the framerate, from the movement of the clerk, is probably around 5-10 FPS.

Edit 2: The doubletree hotel video doesn't show anything conclusive either. http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_6068.shtml

[defendandprotect]

35. Yet, the hotel had viewable video . . . !!!

and presumably so did the CITGO Station . . . .

and you believe what you're saying??

:eyes:

[AtheistCrusader]

39. Yes. I do believe what I just posted.

Can you articulate your point a little better?

[defendandprotect]

47. The Pentagon had video INFERIOR to the hotel's video . . .?????

You're supporting that idea?

The hotel's video was shown to employees before the FBI arrived and confiscated it.

[AtheistCrusader]

52. What? No.

The pentagon's video is much clearer, and in colour. But it's still has a low framerate, and that's perfectly normal for that type of surveilance system.

[defendandprotect]

65. Where is the plane . . . ????

[biermeister]

14. k&r'd before it ends up in the dungeon nt.

[frog92969]

26. ditto

:woohoo:

[defendandprotect]

33. ditto -- one of the taboo subjects that mustn't be discussed in polite society -

:nuke:

[pam4water]

15. Nice thought, but they are not going to get anywhere with out federal subpoena powers.

[Ticonderoga]

16. Waterboard the truth out of cheeeeny and boooosch n/t

[earcandle]

17. I got chills running up and down my spine with this video. I see an American spirit that starts and

ends in NYC.  Go NYC!  Let me know if I can help.
-San Francisco. 

[RedCloud]

18. 4 towers fell, not 2. Bush makes the victims' families sign promises not to sue.

That was NOT his money. That was donations and he used them to serve his save your own ass plans. So many of the victims families cannot sue. But I think since it wasn't Bush's money in the first place, those families should be allowed to sue. That clause should not be enforceable.

[JohnyCanuck]

22. Actually there were three towers that fell (were demolished) on 9/11

WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7.

[RedCloud]

43. Maybe it is a question of building vs. tower. FEMA reported 4 collapses

Should be on page 2

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch7.pdf

[JohnyCanuck]

56. I stand corrected. n/t

[Raster]

19. The TRUTH was NEVER told!!!

:kick:

[bertman]

20. Thanks to all who are supporting this effort. Maybe this will go national.

Recommend.

[MrMickeysMom]

28. Done! n/t

[defendandprotect]

25. If you want to send a check, here's the address . . .

NYCCAN
1173A Second Avenue - Suite 155
New York, New York 10065

__________________________________

[wildbilln864]

29. K&R New York!

Maybe we'll get the whole truth someday! :shrug:

[RetiredTrotskyite]

44. Let's Hope So

I hope we eventually get a full national investigation. The only people who should worry about a complete and honest investigation are those who have something to hide. I'm with the one lady in the video...I want to know why NO ONE was held accountable.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

30. It could.

[defendandprotect]

34. Bush spent night of 9/10 in Florida with anti-missile system on the rooftop of his hotel . . . yet,

we're supposed to believe that the Pentagon had no anti-missile system!!!

:evilgrin:

Probably too shy to ask taxpayers for the money ... ???!!!

Just like the cheapo video camera they had .... while evidently the CITGO Station

and the hotel had video which actually showed what happened!!!???

That's why coverups and those who aid and abet them are so necessary.

[AtheistCrusader]

41. The pentagon footage shows far more than eithe the citgo station or the doubletree hotel.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_6068.shtml

Links to the videos off that page. Feel free to watch them. Neither the Citgo station, nor the hotel show anything at all of the impact, the citgo station cameras captured the flash from the explosion on impact, and the hotel shows the fireball from the impact just barely peeking above the freeway retaining wall.

Coverup resolved I guess.

[wildbilln864]

45. guess again! nt

[defendandprotect]

49. Judicial Watch is a neo-con organization . . . why would they have any 9/11 official evidence?????

That's suspicious enough -- however, are you really trying to sell the idea

that the FBI would have confiscated these videos and they'd still be intact?

For one, the date shown is Jan '93!

Next time you watch the Zapruder film keep in mind that it has also been

tampered with.

Coverups well protected and continuing on --

[AtheistCrusader]

51. Probably shows Jan '93

because no one set the date properly when it was installed. I have a digital camera that defaults to a year in the early 90's too.

I think there's plenty of things to investigate about our response to the attack as it happened, without hurf durfing about gas station cameras that are pointed near the pumps, and the counter/door, and not the sky.

[defendandprotect]

58. The point is the film shows nothing -- and there is no chain of evidence for it . . .

much like the Zapruder film.

But, don't ruffle your feathers -- we've suffered enough political violence in
America to keep investigations going for the next decade!

[AtheistCrusader]

53. Apologies for linking to Judicial Watch.

I knew about their work to expose Abramoff, and found their FOIA requests for the pentagon footage, but was actually not aware the organization is primarily right wing. Mea culpa.

Still, I don't see any reason to think the footage is anything other than what it appears to be.

[defendandprotect]

60. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong organization . . . ???

I used to see something of Judicial Watch on C-span and on the NY Times . . .

"this is not an Op-Ed" Op-Ed pages --

Maybe I have the name wrong?

Still -- you'd have to be very naive to imagine that any film -- leave alone the

Zapruder film or this film -- should ever be in private hands . . . .

or trust what happens to film when it gets into the hands of the FBI/CIA!!

[defendandprotect]

64. It is a right-wing organization . . .

from what I see of their history they were very active attacking the Clintons . . .

however, good job on Abramhoff --

So - - I'll see what they look like in future.


Judicial Watch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
History|Positions|Activities|Funding
Judicial Watch is an organization which describes itself as "a conservative, non-partisan American educational foundation that promotes transparency, accountability and integrity in government, politics and the law." According to its mission statement, Judicial Watch...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch - 54k - Cached

[defendandprotect]

59. NOW the films show nothing of what actually happened . . .

coincidentally, just like the Pentagon film!!!

When we get an honest investigation of 9/11, let's hope the coverup will be ended.

[defendandprotect]

63. Want to respond to Bush's anti-missile system vs NO anti-missile systgem at Pentagon...???

Let's see . . .

we valued Bush more than we valued the Pentagon?

The Pentagon just didn't think to order an anti-Missile system?

We couldn't afford to protect the Pentagon?

New crime and new cover-up --

[mirrera]

37. KICK and REC!!!!

[Wednesdays]

42. K&R

:kick:

[pjt7]

48. How could they not?

If Bloomberg doesn't pick the ball up & run with this, he should not be allowed on the ballot.

[defendandprotect]

61. Bloomberg probably has a fairly good idea of what actually happened . . .

and probably considered it a benefit to the city --

The WTC towers supposedly were going to have to literally be dismantled because

of asbestos problems. They were also difficult to rent due to various problems,

expense of running the towers, etc.

The "Musical Chairs" nature of the change of hands from the Port of Authority and

other changes is suspicious.

If I recall correctly, the security for the building had also fallen into the hands

of a member of the notorious Bush Family!

[troubledamerican]

50. 9/11 Widows as commission members? -- exclusively?

That's the only board I'd trust.

[defendandprotect]

62. Me, too --

I love the job they did on Henry Kissinger -- !!!