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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 10:00 PM
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Ed Show: Kucinich on Afghanistan - 'The More You Hear About It, the Crazier It Gets!'
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MSNBC The Ed Show w/ ED SCHULTZ - 8 December 2009: Ed and Dennis discuss Hamid Karzai's saying that Afghanistan needs help through 2029.

SCHULTZ: "Congressman, I have to tell you that in the Ed Show production room, that one didn't hit the edit floor - we saw that and said '15 to 20 years??' What do you make of that?"

KUCINICH: "... I think it's a disaster. We have an orgy of crime going on in Afghanistan. It's a narco-state and we are committing our brave men and women into this situation where they keep sliding the withdrawal date, even after the President spoke last week, they keep sliding it...

Look. We've got to get out of there. This thing, the more you hear about it, the more that is discussed about it, the crazier it gets. We've GOT to get out of there..."

SCHULTZ: "Is the Congress just going to rubber-stamp this? Is the Congress going to do anything about this? Are we on our way to Afghanistan?"

KUCINICH: "That would be the biggest rubber-stamp that we've seen on Capitol Hill, because what is being proposed here is that we'll be spending at least $150 billion a year, at the cost of many lives, to be able to subsidize a criminal undertaking... Right now, U.S. contractors are paying the Taliban to be able to ensure safe shipment of goods to U.S. troops which they then will be sustained to fight the Taliban. The circularity here is stunning. The Nation magazine did an expose on this. Everything about Afghanistan is a nightmare. I'm sorry."

SCHULTZ: "What are you going to do about it? What can you do about it?"

KUCINICH: "Tomorrow, I'm going to be announcing an initiative which will involve re-empowering members of Congress to take a stand on this, to take back our power under Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution, which relates to Congress' ability to decide whether the country goes to war or not. As the peoples' representatives, we have to take charge here. We can't leave this to Hamid Karzai to decide if we're going to be there 15-20 years..."

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 10:30 PM
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1. Watched it -- and so sadly true . . . "crazy" . . .
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DumbBassRepublicans Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 11:17 PM
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2. Dennis is NOT a menace..!!!
Yep.

No matter what you think of Dennis, he's 100% right, on the

Afghan war...

Too bad Obama didn't have the balls to just order the troops out...

Afghanistan has been at war for over a thousand years, and it will

be at war another thousand years, at least...!!!

More foreign armies have tried to conquer Afghanistan than you can count,

and they ALL have failed...!!!

I guess we're witnessing Obama's Vietnam, while it's actually happening....!!

TOO, TOO BAD..!!! :(

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:04 PM
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6. And US/CIA did all it could to further those wars . . . baiting the Russians into Afghanistan....
Here are two important articles to understand --

if you aren't already aware of them --

:)

Two concepts -- US/CIA created the Taliban/Al Qaeda and used them as religion has

always been used -- as a political tool by the right.

US also created, wrote, printed the material/text books to create a VIOLENT Islamic

movement in the Middle East --

And, just a PS on religion . . . GOP gave start up funding to the Christian Coalition in

the 1980's -- and other wealthy Republicans -- Scaife, etal -- financed Dobson's organization

and others financed Bauer's organization --

In other words, the right wing religious movement in America is as fake as the GOP, itself --

and all it's right wing think tanks also supported by wealthy Repugs --


Here's the info --

SECOND PART DEALS WITH THE TEXTBOOKS --



The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_i... ...



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SECOND PART --


The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.


Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.

http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.h...





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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:26 AM
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3. K & R
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:03 AM
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4. 15-20 years!?
the definition of insanity!
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:22 PM
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5. The war machine must be fed...
with blood, dollars, petroleum and poppy plants.

:cry:
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