John Edwards: LGBT Debate

[jsamuel]

Run time: 00:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_WIQ22_eow   Posted on YouTube: August 10, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: August 10, 2007 By DU Member: jsamuel Views on DU: 1932

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lane-hudson-and-katharine-zaleski/liveblog-of-gay-issues-de_b_59870.html

10:55
LANE: Edwards was the clear winner in this setting. Without a doubt. Hillary walked in thinking she had this support sewn up, and I'm afraid her appearance tonight will severely damage that.

KATHARINE: I think she'll win support at least for appearing open to change. She talked a lot about the need for it . No one can argue that she hasn't been around the block

LANE: Obama wasn't exactly a rock star.

KATHARINE: You're right about Edwards. He set himself apart

LANE: Richardson was a total bomb. Gravel and Kucinich were all the way there, but political reality is that they probably won't be winning the nomination. Dodd and Biden have gotten more ink here than they deserve since they didn't even show up.

KATHARINE: Edwards managed to move forward from his CNN-YouTube debate answer on gay marriage that left a lot of people in the lurch.

10:58
LANE: Yes, Edwards showed movement on these issues. And he handled them well. That is why he is the clear winner here.

11:01
KATHARINE: Well...at least the Democrats (or most of them) actually went on the record. The Republicans won't even participate.The Dems made an important move towards Gay Rights by even participating in the debate. So I'll toast to that.
What say you, Lane?

LANE: They are all lost causes anyway. The Republicans, I mean. I'm actually astonished at the difference between the candidates tonight. Richardson was awful. Obama was pretty blah. Hillary acted like she had it all wrapped up. And
Edwards was the surprising one. Chalk up a win for Edwards.

[ultraist]

1. I agree with that assessment

And Richardson really bombed.

Recommended!

[dk2]

2. Interesting forum.

Great video piece, thanks for sharing it.

I still feel Edwards is leading on the issues. I Liked his answers at forum, honest and straight forward as usual.

[Hobbs]

3. Edwards behaved a lot like Ann Coulter in 2004 debate

Everyone look, Cheney's daughter is a lesbian.

[insane_cratic_gal]

4. Again with the bashing

Can you just not help yourself?

I keep seeing you in just about all of the threads that feature him, why is that?

There are people I don't support. But I don't feel the need to run into their threads and bash those Candidates. I don't think your going to sow seeds of doubt by behaving such as you are. Du'ers are pretty smart about that sort of thing.

So why are you doing it?

Do you campaign for another individual?

If fine to not like him, or even support him, but why try to bring all this negativity into play? Just let it go and go support your guy or gal.

[ultraist]

5. Edwards has never used hate language

Edwards has not and never has used hate language like Ann Coulter.

Your comparison is absurd and simply not true.

[Smarmie Doofus]

6. Actually, Cheney said "I thank the Senator....

... for his kind words." Edwards had , appropriately, praised Cheney and his family for supporting Mary Cheney when she came out.

So... watcha talkin' about?

[jsamuel]

7. anything they can to bash Edwards

[Hobbs]

9. Truth to Power

Edwards used Cheney's family and Mary Cheney's lesbianism as a soccer ball in an attempt to score political points.

Once again, bad judgment as most considered it a dirty blow below the belt. Not at all unlike Ann Coulter who he criticizes, while pretending to be pure. And he is on record for spreading the hate by saying he is uneasy about their life style. So no one can honestly pretend he was being kind in that 2004 debate. He was going for the redneck and religion fundamentalist vote by playing the hate card.

[Divine Discontent]

11. your comment is heavy on words that are twisted to make Edwards

appear as outlandish and insane in the membrane as Ann and her HATE SPEECH FILLED DIATRIBE. What utter contempt you must have for him. Anyone that takes a shot at Edwards for brining up that Mary Cheney is a lesbian, when she's out already, to point out as John did to the voters who don't read the papers and who don't watch anything but the main debates just before the election is either not comprehending why he did it, or has ulterior motives. He brought her up b/c he was pointing out they're not for gay rights, even basic rights, in the Rethug party - and yet - the VP has a queer daughter! And being queer myself, I believe, although it was uncomfortable, because it DID appear as a political jab to me, it was done to point out, and FORCE darth cheney to admit in the debate, rather unsettlingly, that yes, he had a daughter who is a lesbian - and I could read his body language that he wanted to chew John's face off for using it to point out his & B*sh's hypocrisy.

If you're going to mention that John said he was uneasy with gays, at least use his words - because wording it as YOU want to word it - you make it sound like he hasn't advanced on the issue - and that's dirty. I'm calling you out on it. I was upset when I heard he made the comments a few years back, at the party, but he's clearly ahead of the curve and a lot of that is thanks to his wonderful wife.

The right has waged a balls-out war on rights of gay people, gay couples, gay parents, gays with influence in society (teachers, judges, etc) over the last 7 years - and this guy is standing up for us - and he's the only one with a GOOD chance to be our nominee who does this - so frankly - your attack seems rather homophobic to me, coincidentally, as you try and point out that Edwards is actually anti-gay in your wording.

[Hobbs]

12. Well there you go again

I'm homophobic because Edwards is uncomfortable with what he sees as homosexual life style "choice". What a hoot!

He most be advancing slowing because he made this statement in an interview earlier this year, not three years ago.

[Divine Discontent]

15. I said, supply his words and let them be judged

the fact is, policy wise, he sure seems ahead of Obama & Hillary on gay rights. If he said certain things, they will be judged and we'll all ask him about them. Why do you dislike him so much, why do you hate America? (just kid'n) Is this your main beef with him? And you ignore that his wife is a very strong woman who is leading him to the light - do you wish to ignore that?

[zazzle]

19. Hobbs is lying again!

Edwards never said he was uncomfortable around gays.

[subsuelo]

23. What was it that Edwards said?

[JDPriestly]

13. Hobbs, there is a difference between pointing out the truth

and telling a ridiculous lie. Edwards was telling the truth. The truth is that many Republicans are LGBT, and the Republicans hypocritically play on the fears of ignorant voters to stir up resentment against some abstract category of people, LGBTs. The Republicans tell these ignorant voters that it is OK to hate that abstract category of people. An excellent way to get people to rethink their prejudices is to cause them to think about specific individuals rather than abstract categories of people. That is what Edwards was doing. Mary Cheney is a specific, well liked individual Republican. Edwards' reference to her was perfectly proper, even a very helpful statement.

I saw Edwards speak in L.A. after the forum. He was great. I like him more and more.

[Catchawave]

17. I met him at Yearly Kos

The "in person" experience...handshake and a smile....rocked my world :patriot:

[JDPriestly]

20. Absolutely.

We stood in a very crowded courtyard to hear Edwards speak. I think I was no more than eight, possibly less, feet from him.

[dddem]

24. I watched that debate, and it still amazes me.

First let me state that I support gay rights, and I'm not shy about it. That being said, I shake my head in amazement that people are still talking about that debate, and what the media tells us was important about it. Does anyone besides me recall that John Edwards ALSO pointed out that 14 (14!!)
military bases were being built in Iraq, and that the blueprints were done before the war had even started. NOT ONE STATION COVERED THAT ASSERTION. NOT ONE REPORTER COMMENTED ON IT. NOT ONE! Let's get our priorities straight here people!
End of rant - back to your regulary scheduled topic of discussion. Sorry. Peace.

[Chulanowa]

10. Either you know little about Ann Coulter, or little about the situation

Ann would have ranted and railed about the "rug munching socialist dyke" and advocated her execution in order to terrify other homosexuals back into the closet, where hopefully god will continue to punish them with AIDS.

John Edwards said she's a lesbian - and she is, and it's open - to make a point about the Bush Administration's anti-gay policies, and indeed those same policies and ideas from everyone on the right.

Ann Coulter would attack the person. John Edwards empathized and attacked the situation that is shortchanging the same person.

[Kajsa]

22. Hmmm--

Low post count-

Troll behavior--

Check profile--- Tombstoned.

;-)

[pioneer111]

8. Edwards spoke from his heart

He really is determined to give everyone a fair deal.

I particularly liked his mention of the LA center that supported young gay people that had been rejected by their families.

He just has empathy for people in distress.

Richardson was awful. I was embarrassed for him.

[JDPriestly]

14. We need Edwards now

[MindMatter]

16. With passion, not quieterly and carefully

He is so right. There are a number of candidates from both parties whom the corporate masters trust to not upset the status quo.

We know who they are. We must expose them at every step.

[usregimechange]

18. Damn right

[subsuelo]

21. Disagree

Kucinich and Gravel are the only ones supporting gay marriage. How can anyone but these two be declared winners of a debate on gay rights?

Are they effectively out of the running for "winning" this debate, because of the "political reality"? Come on.

Kucinich was the clear winner of this debate.