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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:16 PM
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Can Barack Obama Win in the South?
 
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stuartrida Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:21 PM
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1. I like Obama but
we also have gay congressmen and gay mayors. That doesn't mean America will elect a gay President. Obama may win Virginia or Arkansas, but there is absolutely no way he will win Alabama or Mississippi. The good thing is, you don't need Alabama or Mississippi to become President.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:22 PM
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2. IMO, NO! I've lived in Tx, SC, and Ga, I don't think he can win in any of them!
There are still way too many racists living in those states! My guess is you can probably add Al, Ms, Va, Tn, and Fl to those as well.
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ckimmy57 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:27 PM
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3. And you can also
go ahead and add Ohio to that list.....I hear alot of buzz going around to that same effect.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:32 PM
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5. Ohio would surprise me. I grew up in Pa. and had a lot of friends
and relatives in Ohio. Neither OH or PA ever seemed racist to me. I know when I moved to the South in 1987, I was shocked to see how prominent it was! I spent 44 years of my life in Pa. and I never saw or heard the s*it I hear in the South!
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ckimmy57 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:41 PM
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7. I'd like to think we are not racist but
I grew up here in Ohio and the crap people say behind "the backs" and what they actually do are two different things. I'd like to see him do well but Ohio has a long way to go.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:45 AM
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18. I grew up in Central PA and for the last 30 years have
lived in the South (VA, SC, FL). Every time I visit PA I am shocked by the open racism that is prevalent. Unchallenged racism spoken out loud, in just about any setting. I have family friends in Pittsburgh and there it is even worse, if thats possible. One family I know puts their children in private school although they struggle to afford it, just to avoid "race mixing" in public schools.

An African-American presidential candidate doesn't have a chance in PA, my guess is most of the rural areas and mid-size cities in the north are the same.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:28 PM
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4. They elected a black governor in Virginia, so I think you're guessing wrong
there. Florida is a crap-shoot. The other states, we wouldn't need, as long as we got Ohio.
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:36 PM
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11. big difference between
An odd year gov. election and general election, just sayin
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:59 AM
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19. I've lived in Virginia.
There's a BIG difference between Virginia and Mississippi, or Virginia and Alabama, even outside of the DC area.

Just sayin.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:37 PM
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6. Yes.
AR, VA, FL, and maybe TN will be in play for sure.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:46 PM
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8. I am not sure he could win in Illinois
There have been two black senators in Illinois.

The first was Carol Mosely Braun. She was able to win the first general election because the race was split three ways. I think she was a good senator, and I think racism did her in on reelection.

Obama was very fortunate to become senator. The big money opponent was badly hurt by scandal in the primary. Then in the general his Republican opponent went down in scandal. He ran against Alan Keyes in the general.

I think racism is less of a factor now than years ago, but I still think racism is alive and well in Illinois.

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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:07 PM
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9. Carol Mosely Braun's 2nd term loss was Rovism not racisim
KKKarl Rove worked for Peter Fitzgerald, her opponent and worked his usual "magic."
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:37 PM
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13. He has a 75% approval rating here.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:38 PM
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14. all these people would say FDR can't win. give people more credit. geez
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:35 PM
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10. You are joking right?
I live in the south and there is no way outside of Maryland and possibly arkansas and florida he can win a state below mason-dixon, and only florida if all the progressives and african americans vote. It will be a repeat of the Blanco-Jindal wingding all over again (although the voters made the good choice then)
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:36 PM
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12. he won the hearts of southern Illinois. the whole he can't win is a strawman
the
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DAMANgoldberg Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:58 PM
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15. Yes
LA, FL, VA, and belive it or not SC
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:59 PM
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16. Not no,
but hell no.

There is a business here in town with a list of the false "Obama is a Muslim" charges posted on the wall. Dumb fuc*ers.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:44 AM
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17. NOT in Louisiana!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 02:01 PM
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20. Misleading as hell
With only one exception (Doug Wilder in VA) you have shown us a montage of black politicians who represent majority black cities and congressional districts. Only one statewide official was shown. You have to win whole states to win those electoral votes. I'm sure Obama would get a majority in those districts and cities. Then when the election gets out to the rural counties and lily-white suburbs in the South, he would have just a liiiiiiitle problem. And the Republican would eat it up for all of it's race-baiting potential.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 04:20 PM
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21. wouldn't win a single southern state
I doubt he could even win border states like Kentucky or Oklahoma. You shot down your own argument by showing a montage of black politicians elected in black districts in the South. Of course some black politicians win, because the districts are carved up on racial lines. Why do you think Mississippi has Bennie Thompson as a Congressmen? Because whites in Mississippi are liberal? No, its because he runs in the Delta, which is 66 percent black. He wouldn't have a chance running in Chip Pickering or Roger Wicker's districts. As goes Mississippi, so goes the South, we used to say back in Holly Springs. Maybe once Mississippi and the rest of the Deep South moves out of the 19th Century he'd have a chance, and even today only a slight chance in the "enlightened" South of Florida, or Arkansas.
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