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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:32 PM
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MSNBC: Cenk Vs. (Fmr Reagan Adviser) Art Laffer On GOP Debt, Tax Cuts
 
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Cenk Is Hosting MSNBC Live Every Day This Week From 3-4pm Eastern, 12-1pm Pacific. Watch Live or set your DVR/TiVo to record the shows!

PS---In case you didn't know, Cenk now has two regular segments each week. He appears every Tuesday in the latter half of the Dylan Ratigan show (after 4:30pm ET/1:30pm PT) for the Daily Rant Segment, and every Friday after 3pm ET/12pm PT on MSNBC Live.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:37 PM
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1. He did a great job yesterday. I'm hoping he gets a
permanent hour slot on MSNBC.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:57 PM
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4. But, then he'll have to wear a tie all the time!
;)
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:42 PM
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2. Laffer is a clown. But at least the treated each other respectfully. nt
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:53 PM
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3. I can't watch.
Edited on Tue Aug-03-10 12:55 PM by AlbertCat
I'm sorry, but Laffer is a charlatan. I had to cut it off when he started in with the "It's a bi-partisan thing" and then "As you know, I'm a huge fan of Bill Clinton...."

Who cares who you are a fan of? Let's talk about Reaganomics and the bogus Laffer Curve (the one named after you) which only looks good to people who see what they want to be true as opposed to what IS true.

Martin Gardner's now famous send up of the laughable Laffer Curve says it all with one graphic: The Neo-Laffer Curve (where you figure in anomalies that always come up.... because this is real life, not a Conservative Economics Think Tank)

Mr. "head-in-the-sand" Laffer's famous Curve:




Martin Gardner's Neo-Laffer Curve (with anomalies figured in)

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 02:17 PM
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5. The 1st graphic isn't working
When I tried to open it up on another tab I got this...

"Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /img2/laffer.gif on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

That second graph is hilarious, though.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 05:42 PM
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11. a 403 Forbidden error
So sorry.

It's showing up fine on my PC.

heres another....with another Neo-Laffer for effect.

How about horizontal this time?






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E_Pluribus_Unitarian Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 02:18 PM
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6. Cenks's a natural for MSNBC.l
I think he's a good candidate for a slot there...better than Ed, imho.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 02:23 PM
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7. Cause, effect.....effect meet cause
Laffer must not have been disciplined as a child. When he flushed Sunday dinner down the toilet, his folks must have just laughed and said "well, guess we're eating out".
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 02:36 PM
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8. Brilliant!
The obvious solution to any Gemini or Libra is -- a top marginal tax rate that is high but not too high, low but not too low. The goal should not be to stimulate the greatest amount of growth possible in the shortest time (which is was under the Bush administration) but to stimulate healthy growth.

A looming problem that we are ignoring at this time is the lack of incentives for saving. That is related to low interest rates. We are setting ourselves up with these extremely low interest rates on consumer savings.

I would like to see what Laffer says about the manipulation of the interest rates combined with the low taxes during the Bush II administration.

Cenk, you are doing a great job.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 03:54 PM
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9. I have to add another response to this excellent video.
There are two groups in the economic structure of our society who especially need to be able to plan, to rely on a certain amount of stability in the economy.

One is small business. We've heard this a lot. And in the past couple of years I have personally seen what the chaos, the extreme ups-and-downs in our society have done to the small businesses of my friends and family. It's devastating. For example, one of my friends had a solid business, employed numerous employees. But when this depression hit, her consumer base was devastated and sales declined. She had to give up a lot of her investments and is fighting just to keep her home. As long as she could, she kept paying her employees, but she finally had to give up. The damage caused by the instability in her market didn't just harm her life; it nearly destroyed the lives of some of the people who relied on her for their income.

The other group that particularly needs stability is students, young people. Students invest significant time and, today, outrageous amounts of money in training and education. And when you have to train and retrain and pay tuition upon tuition never to find stability in your career because demand for the skills you developed in your last foray at the university are no longer sought, you become bitter and jaded -- to say nothing of poor and exhausted.

Is change necessary to progress? Yes. But so is stability. Above all, stability in one's working life, in one's career is essential to developing expertise, confidence and even creativity in the workplace.

One of the secrets of the German economy is the tradition of trade guilds. The guild concept, the concept that your work, your career to some extent defines your path in life can be very limiting but it also can provide the kind of moral and social glue that a society and an economy need. Americans change jobs too often.

(Employers don't seem to realize that new is not better. Sometimes that old, tired, boring employee is actually doing a better job than that new, enthusiastic know-nothing hired last week. American employers too often look for glitz and excitement in employees rather than competence and reliability. And then they wonder why employees don't show up for work on time. Duh???)

If you think the mortgage crisis was bad, just wait for the student loan catastrophe. Kids are mortgaging their lives to pay tuitions of as much as $47,000 and maybe more per year for their university educations. I honestly don't know whether that includes living expenses. It's unrealistic unless you can be pretty sure you will keep the job you trained for or got your degree for long enough to live and pay back the loan.

I am a good example. I invested a lot of money in education in my 50s. When a friend of mine also in her 50s came to me and asked whether she should invest in getting training in a certain area, I frankly told her, compare the cost of your education to what you can most likely earn once you have it in the working years that remain in your life. She decided not to go back. I enjoyed the field I entered. I should have entered it much earlier in my life but couldn't. But student loans really diminish the financial value of your degree. Especially when the job market is so unstable, so unpredictable.

So, stability in the economy, not fantastic growth rates followed by deep recessions, should be the goal. That is why the Laffer curve and supply side economics are not funny. Laffer betrayed his values in this interview: the goal for him is to have as fast growth rate as possible, not a reliable growth rate that encourages ordinary people to save and invest.

Being forced to start a new business or go back to school and retrain over and over in your life is very hard on the family values as well as the bank account. As a nation, we cannot afford to continue our manic-depressive, bi-polar economic policies. They harm small businesses. They harm young people trying to choose a career path. They hurt families. We need to view stability as something positive. We should not worship fast growth but steady progress. Say no to get-rich-quick-schemes whether offered by our government or by charlatans on the radio.

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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 04:26 PM
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10. Laffer truly is...
..a laugher. :rofl: Just another Right-Wing LIAR.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 05:43 PM
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12. K&R!
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 06:16 PM
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13. Yeah, yeah, yeah, facts, numbers, blah blah blah...
You think facts and numbers and logic are going to sway a confirmed Reaganite? I don't know, I guess it worked on Cenk, but he seems to be an exception to the rule.

K&R
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 08:32 PM
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14. Laffer? Fuck his goofy ass. He's still WRONG.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 08:37 PM
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15. Yep we need a serious tax increase on the RICH...
Let the people with all the money pay down this defecit don't be cutting programs that help people the only other option as I see it would be for the GOVT to take control of everything i.e., OIL and make the rich pay their fair share to use the stuff.... If the top 1 percent had to pay 10k per gallon for gas they wouldn't be so quick to jet off on their private jest and limo around all day and that amount would be the equivlent of what I feel when I pay at the pump, we can apply that logic to everything that is needed for survival, food, energy, shelter, clothes the rich would suddenly not be so rich anymore.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:28 PM
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16. K&R nt
:popcorn:
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