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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:05 PM
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Olbermann Special Comment on Gibbs - "Take It Up w/ The Professional Right"
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MSNBC Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN - 10 Aug. 2010. Keith delivers a Special Comment in response to Press Secretary Robert Gibb's interview from today with The Hill.

TRANSCRIPT FROM MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38647465/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann

MSNBC HD VIDEO: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann

Olbermann: Gibbs frustration understandable but misguided
Blame belongs with the 'professional right' and foolish compromise

By Keith Olbermann
Anchor, 'Countdown'
msnbc.com
updated 1 hour 42 minutes ago

SPECIAL COMMENT

And now a Special Comment from what I suppose is the Professional Left. It is hard to say for sure. Mr. Gibbs referenced watching too much cable. I'm on cable. I suppose I'm part of the problem from his perspective. In any event this will serve to both give a little background, and to correct a fundamental flaw in the viewpoint of the White House.

The heart of this, I think, is the fact that this administration is still amazed that each day does not begin with a round of applause for its intervention on the economy. Of the first five accomplishments Mr. Gibbs listed in his walkback this afternoon, three were variations of, in essence, "we prevented a depression." His frustration is entirely understandable.

It's not just that what the Administration did has been morphed by the far right into an insurrectionist attempt to install Barack Obama as the teller in your bank, the tax-collector at your door, the pick-pocket at your wallet. It's also not just that a full appreciation of what the President has done requires the proving of a negative — you know, "see this alternate universe over here in which we have 19 percent unemployment and the entire auto industry collapsed under President McCain?"

It's that the last President was completely lionized — his eight-year scamming of America — was swallowed whole because he somehow proved a negative, every day, this nonsense that he and he alone had prevented another terrorist attack.

One President prevents a financial meltdown, gets tepid thanks. The other President doesn't prevent a terrorist attack, gets worship and blind allegiance because he didn't allow another one.

Whatever the dark lesson in that sick truth, however — the frustration over it should not be directed at the Professional Left. The Professional Right is far more deserving.


It is profound and noble to see this President take so seriously the premise that he is just as much "President Of People Who Didn't Vote For Him," as of "People Who Did." But this is ridiculous. The President has shown a willingness to give the Professional Right not just "seats at the table" as we try to restore this country to where it was before Bush and Cheney got a hold of it, not just to give it half the seats at the table, but often — far too often —to give it all the seats, the table, and the damn carpet.

The Professional Left didn't start the Health Care Negotiations by moving to the right of the Single Payer and then the Public Option, the Administration did. The Professional Left didn't try to grease some skids with the minority by taxing union benefits, the Administration did.

The Professional Left didn't fire Shirley Sherrod and congratulate itself on quick exaction to avoid a media circus in this environment, the Administration did. The Professional Left didn't begin this presidency by handing everybody who broke the law and subverted the constitution a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free-Card and a virtual set of instructions on how to get away with all of it next time, too, the Administration did.

Mr. President, you will not get disagreement from the Professional Left, that compromise is the essence of practical politics. But you have gotten, you are getting, you always will get, that disagreement from the Professional Right.

They do not want compromise, they want everything
— everything from more profits for insurance companies, to you admitting you're not really president, and that you've decided to endorse Tea Party candidates at the mid-terms.

Why on earth do you start every negotiation just left-of-center? Anybody on this planet, haggling, always asks for far more than they expect to get. Start at Single Payer and maybe you get Public Option. Start at Indightments for Torture and maybe you get a Truth And Reconciliation Commission. But I'm veering off fully into policy and straying from your Mr. Gibbs heckling the audience and Mr. Burton saying you agree with him doing so.

Sir. You need to get past the premise that the Left differs from the Right in terms of ideology. In this America, they differ in terms of the hard-wiring of the brain. The Right wants not leadership — it wants lockstep. The Right wants not nuanced thought from its adherents — it wants salutes and sworn fealty. The Right wants not critical analysis from its media — it wants propaganda.

If, Mr. President, you have fallen into the trap of equating "The Professional Left" and "The Professional Right" of the false equivalency of msnbc and Fox News — you are going to spend the rest of the time in the White House curled up in a churlish ball in the corner wondering what happened to your encore.

If indeed I am part of the "Professional Left" I am here to applaud good policy and good leadership and good statesmanship, and to boo bad policy and bad leadership and bad statesmanship. I'm sorry, Sir; I'm sorry, Mr. Gibbs, we are not the Right. We think over here. And we fight for what we believe in.

And we recognize that the only time you're going to get something out of a Mitch McConnell when he says he has no interest in doing anything left-of-center, is when you drag him in that direction by using a pair of figurative pliers.

I really don't know if I'm part of the Professional Left. I really would rather not be. But the sad truth also is, that these kinds of roles don't tend to be sought or achieved. They tend to fall on you, when others don't do their job. Because if I' the Professional Left, it's only because the White House has been more like the Amateur Left.

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:08 PM
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1. Yep, it was excellent!!! n/t
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:10 AM
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28. KO - "WH acting more like the AMATEUR left!", yes! Wasn't it great hearing
him hammer the WH from 2:00 forward for its repeated capitulation to the right wing thugs, and always starting just barely left of center, and giving the last administration a get out of jail free card for the torture, and an instruction booklet for the next admin!!! WOW!!

What an amazing and, yes, as you said, "excellent!!!" job by KO.

This politely said everything that most of us have said over and over and over.

This WH admin appears amateurish at times, and they seem to behave like we should only be applauding them daily for keeping this country from going into a depression - well guess what - for a lot of people I know, that's not good enough, because many people I know are struggling badly, have lost homes, have lost jobs, have lost hope. And, time after time the WH seems to BASH the left with "F*cking retarded" insults, instead of saying YOU LIE to the right-wing thugs, and for implying that the active leaders of so many groups in the "professional left" (seems like a dig at liberals if I ever heard one) need to get drug tested! Sheesh, way to bash the progressive base of the Democratic Party, Mr Gibbs.

If Obama is really paying attention, he will have Gibbs apologize big time for even saying that. Or even ask him to resign. I want my president to stand up against these right wing bastards that want him to get NOTHING accomplished. He should come at them not just left of center, but far left and negotiate from there, but on the exact things Keith stated, they haven't - they've given them more seats at times than the Dems, and other times the whole table!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:21 AM
Response to Reply #28
42. I'm starting to wonder who the WH thinks they are appeasing. I know moderate republicans
that voted for him that are pissed with the WH. They wanted the same things we wanted, they were pissed with Bush and the republican party, so went democratic, now many of them have told me they think they're getting the same.

Exactly, the "WH admin appears amateurish at times..." If they maintain this course I think the WH will be in for a bitter surprise in 2012 and I fear what we might be stuck with... I'm quite disappointed. This consistent conciliatory appeasing behavior from the WH and then the republicans kick them in the butt is getting more than annoying.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #42
59. I sometimes do not think that even Fox News understands its base.
The "damaging" clip of Weiner resounded with my former Republicon, now Independent, friends. They were amazed that "that guy" told that Representative to STFU, he had the floor. And that the 911 First Responders deserved an up or down vote, not a crappy 2/3. (Up or Down Vote, where have you heard that before?)

I asked where they talking about Anthony Weiner? He lost.

I got jumped. But he fought! To them it is not win or lose, it is fight or cave. If you fight, you go on to fight again. If you cave, you're a wuss. I guess the only pragmatic people on the planet are in DC.

BTW, they like Grayson too.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #42
60. They are appeasing corporate lobbyists and their masters.
Actual moderates/independants don't like that any more than we do.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #60
62. What I find extremely disappointing is I thought we were getting away from that when
Obama came on board. It is so entrenched I'm concerned this country is going to be in a deep rut for a very long time. Also, now credit card offers are starting up again, borrow this, borrow that, you deserve it, free airline mileage and the whole line of crap again. IMO the whole financial mess is just being primed to happen all over again.

Also, I think this is the next mess we're headed toward that I've not heard much about on MSM or the WH, etc.

The Buyout of America http://dollarsandsense.org/blog/2010/08/the-buyout-of-america-how-private-equity-will-cause-the-next-great-credit-crisis-by-josh-kosman.html
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #62
65. Getting the lobbyists out of the policy process was a campaign promise.
Fool us once, shame on them, fool us twice, shame on us.

I agree, they are priming the pump for another massive suck up. RFKjr called what they are doing to our country a fire sale. That hasn't changed.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #42
89. yep, because it's not our fault that they'll probably lose '12, their capitulation to the right on
issue after issue has made the millions who voted for Obama, even though they weren't Democrats before, regret their choice, because they rejected B*sh and his running of the country into the ground, and thought Obama wouldn't follow so many of B*sh's ways that catered to the banks and other big biz. Very deflating. Although, I believe if we put more libs in Congress, that's a great thing, so we have that potentially going for us. I just don't know how many candidates across the country for House & Senate are lib compared to what is already in there. Obviously, in dark red regions, there's plenty of libs probably running because the establishment GOP-candidates wouldn't net a challenger, but the lib candidate won't get the backing of the Dems, or sadly the people. But, wow, 18 months ago, if you told me we'd have all these economic probs still and the stimulus was not spent as we'd hoped, that there'd be all these bills with big names that sound good, but were watered down horribly in discussions, I'd have had to pick my jaw off the ground in shock.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #89
99. I've been a big supporter of Obama all the way, but I just can't lie to myself anymore. I'm
significantly disappointed in Obama and congress. And I got a lot of republicans to actually vote democratic in the last election.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #99
102. Yes...I think you speak for many here...You got Repubs to vote democratic last election?
Hell, you must be talented.

In this election, you might have to use that talent to get Dems to vote Democratic!
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ut oh Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #28
88. OH I'm sure they're paying attention....
But now, I'm more inclined to believe they're watching for their own amusment, nothing more...

And Gibbs probably won't even get a 'firm talking to' on this...
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #28
101. + 100..."The amateur left"...Exactly...KO is priceless. n/t
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:11 PM
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2. Damn straight. 8 years of bullshit from the 'professional right' qualifies us to bitch
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 09:11 PM by MichiganVote
No matter who is or has been the President. So get over it Washington. The entire country is fucking fed up. We are not all on the same side. True. But everyone has something or some idea that could make this country better and not be a favor to corporate ownership of the USA.

So move over...we had 8 fucking long years of bullshit. Nobody is going to shut up anymore.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. You are correct, we are not all on the same side.
However pointing the message to the owner makes much more sense than a constant dig against the ones working for your benefit. What a shame.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:01 PM
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19. Uh...I don't believe that anyone in Washington DC is constantly working for my benefit
Including Obama. There are many issues that I take a strong exception to. Chief among them are Afghanistan, the education program RTTT and the lack of the closing of Gitmo.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #2
24. Yup. If anything we aren't raising enough hell.
Under the circumstances there should be tens of thousands in the streets. We could start with Wall Street.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:23 AM
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30. Like Olberman, but too long/wordy -- Gibbs should be fired--!!
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:25 AM by defendandprotect
And seemingly Obama sent him out with this message --

And, of course, DLC-Rahm still in White House --

And, yes, we aren't raising anywhere near enough HELL!!!



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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:56 AM
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50. but too long/wordy
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 07:59 AM by AlbertCat
5 minutes is too long???

About 1000 words is too wordy????

I'm sorry, but would you have preferred a bumper sticker? Would that raise near enough hell? How about "WH... You Suck!"

If that was too much for you, you might want to listen to Sarah Palin. She might give you more of the kind of message you're looking for: simple, juvenile and vapid.

If you think your fellow Americans cannot process 5 minutes and 1000 words, then.... you pompous snob!

:eyes:



P. S. Don't try reading these things called books. They take waaaaay longer than 5 minutes and have lots and lots of words.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:50 PM
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78. Excuse my having an opinion . . . wow -- talk about over the top personal attack!!
Gibbs was obviously trying to shut up the left wing entirely --

but especially what we now have of left wing commentators.

You also seem to have missed the point that I read what Olbermann said --

and I watched it --

And, notice as your mind flips, evidently even now having an opinion re

Olbermann translates to being "pro-Sarah Palin" -- !!

I happen to be a big Olbermann fan -- but I'll say it again -- he's often too "wordy" --

And this . . . I'll put down to you having a bad day --

If that was too much for you, you might want to listen to Sarah Palin. She might give you more of the kind of message you're looking for: simple, juvenile and vapid.

If you think your fellow Americans cannot process 5 minutes and 1000 words, then.... you pompous snob!


Certainly, I hope no one would consider your post indicative of other Americans -- nor

DU posters --





:eyes:
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #50
81. The right has no new policies or plans and only criticize, divide and bitch.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Obama walked into their den, listened and made them all look like idiots with his responses
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. What the left does not have is the megaphone.No hate radio nationwide or TV propaganda station
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Gibbs just wants his little pat on the back rather than have the WH act like FDR
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. The "professional right" are the harvesters of disaster,but the left wants to ensure survival of De
Democracy.

The right offers nothing but fear, divisiveness and economic catastrophe. They lie about everything...everything.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #84
110. Yes. Yes. Yes...Unfortunately...Obama has already "weighed in" on "The New Deal"
I wasn't TOO surprised to hear it from him, but certainly disappointed.

Not long ago, he mentioned the New Deal in this context: "Well..I mean we can't bring back the New Deal you know..We have to have business and all".

That's not a direct quote..but close.

My heart sank on hearing him say that, especially since, as a Boomer, I actually REMEMBER what he doesn't...How much BETTER this country was, at least domestically, when we were still living under New Deal policies...Strong unions..Largest Middle Class in the world, largest number of College grads in the world..Wages which actually ROSE automatically.

I wrote him an email to remind him that, um..We actually HAD "businesses" during that period..A period which is now referred to as America's "Golden Age"...because. as someone explained it, "everyone did well".

Hell, I didn't think that was a "golden age".....I just thought it was America.:(





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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:24 AM
Response to Reply #2
43. EXACTLY! "The entire country is fucking fed up." n/t
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:14 PM
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3. Superb. (nt)
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:14 PM
Response to Original message
4. Woof. That was one packed message.
He nailed a lot of stuff.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:17 PM
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5. Wow...
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:yourock:
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:20 PM
Response to Original message
6. Since I now can no longer see Keith on teevee, I really appreciate
posts such as this one. Thank you....K&R!++++++++++++++++
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #6
52. Since I now can no longer see Keith on teevee
The pod cast is free (and usually up by around 11:00 PM)

Also, the whole show is on the web site.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/



So too for Rachel

free pod cast (up after midnight) and

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #52
112. Some people still have to use
dial up however. If I were to start downloading now, I might be able to watch them around dinner time tomorrow!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:22 PM
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7. White House=Amateur Left
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 09:24 PM by oasis
zing :bounce:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:24 PM
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9. An excellent comment.
Though I don't think Gibbs was referring to KO. I do hope he was listening to him tonight.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
22. Shit.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 11:12 PM by Enthusiast
They think KO is radical left. They wouldn't know professional left if it bit 'em on the ass.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:33 AM
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45. I always think of KO as a solid moderate that makes good sound sense. The WH needs
to get in tune with its own party, god what a bubble the WH lives in... If Gibbs listens to so much cable news, he should have a F'ing clue many of Obama's supporters are getting pissed. Damn were Gibb's comments ignorant. I think it's time for Gibbs to go, he sounds too stressed out for the job. That said, the WH needs to listen to their supporters more. Otherwise, 2012 is going to be a major disappointment for all of us I think. It's very sad.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #45
68. I agree. It is sad.
It isn't good to have a sad electorate.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:27 PM
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10. K&R
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:27 PM
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11. Very good advice from Keith
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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:28 PM
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12. Thanks hissyspit......
Does Cenk have a take on this yet ?
would like to see it.
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zentrum Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:32 PM
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13. Compellingly reasoned, passionate
...and very respectful. Thanks for pointing out the false equivalency.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:35 PM
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14. K&R n/t
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:41 PM
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15. he forgot to mention how Boehner and Bush's left-behind mess made him do all those things
oh, wait, there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY such a turn of events could've come about! now the LRoyalists are stuck with "progressive accomplishments" like Nixoncare and TARP
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:47 PM
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16. Wow
Now, THAT is how a professional says it. :thumbsup:
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:53 PM
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17. "We think over here. And we fight for what we believe in."
Well said, KO.

Sometimes he (KO) gets a little overwrought for my taste, but this one was exactly spot on.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:32 AM
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38. This. That, and the "Amateur Left". Out of the park, again. n/t
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Blacksheep214 Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:01 PM
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18. Did you also write the White House?
I did! I am fed up with this ass kissing bullshit and told them so!

I do not want compromise, I want payback and indictments. What do we get? Democrats being indicted!

It is way past time to bitch slap these right wing yahoos and force them into the basement where WE can turn out the lights and mics!

Enough with tolerating the right wing lies. It's clobbering time!
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whatacountry09 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:02 PM
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20. Yep... I still love him!
Thank you, Keith.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:03 PM
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21. Amateurs, yes. that's the word Keith.
K&R
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:14 PM
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23. Right on, Keith!
The absolute worst problem in this country is overwhelming corporate influence. How about we rein in their abuses?
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:29 PM
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25. This part struck me particularly hard:
Sir. You need to get past the premise that the Left differs from the Right in terms of ideology. In this America, they differ in terms of the hard-wiring of the brain. The Right wants not leadership — it wants lockstep. The Right wants not nuanced thought from its adherents — it wants salutes and sworn fealty. The Right wants not critical analysis from its media — it wants propaganda.


Most frighteningly, the Administration seems to want us to behave like the Right and adopt their values.

And people are DOING it!!! How the hell did that happen!?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:13 AM
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29. yes, Hydra! good point. Sadly, too many are doing it! We needed this from Keith.
President Obama may not ever hear us, or speak to us, but Keith is a huge deal in the world of progressives in media, and he just may listen to what he said. This WH administration needs to stop the amateur hour they've shown in capitulating so many things to the right in watering down policy. We expected more. Just getting a "health care bill" done for the sake of getting a bill signed, doesn't mean it's what it should or COULD have been. I would love Canadian health care - at least I'd have some!
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Papa Boule Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:32 AM
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37. You're right. Looks like the whole system is drifting that way.
n/t
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:37 AM
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63. People ARE DOING IT.... That Comment Is The Scariest One Of All!!
Really, THE VERY SCARIEST! And many here STILL think THIS ADMINISTRATION is doing such a wonderful GREAT JOB for "we the people!"

I'm truly beginning to have some SERIOUSLY horrible feelings about this country!! While I've been a vocal voice of the left, I NEVER felt they would bend over so far to the RIGHT and SCREW us this badly!!

No, I DIDN'T, but it's past time and I do SEE THE HAND WRITING ON THE WALL!! We ARE in SERIOUS trouble here and yet we stay immobile!! Don't know what more to say, and doing anything seems IMPOSSIBLE!

I'm afraid the future CAN & WILL get worse and all I can do is scream, or maybe just go away and IGNORE it all until they come and take me away!!

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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:15 PM
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87. It is indeed a scary time
Keep your eyes open and do what you can for yourself and family members. There are 3 ways we can go from here, and I'm not sure which it will be:

1. FDR 2.0
2. System crash begets new system(socialism?)
3. Things continue as they are- welcome to 1984
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:34 PM
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96. Sort Of Like... I GOT Mine... You GET Yours! Gee, I Think THAT Was
Ronnie Ray-Guns! Be afraid, be very afraid! 1984, it's scary indeed!
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:31 PM
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113. Hey, primary rule
If you don't keep yourself and your family well, how will you help others?
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:32 PM
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105. That one made me sit up, too...Great line... Love the Keith. n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:36 PM
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26. K&R. Loved it. He said what I wanted to say.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 11:39 PM by Overseas
In particular:

The Professional Left didn't start the Health Care Negotiations by moving to the right of the Single Payer and then the Public Option, the Administration did. The Professional Left didn't try to grease some skids with the minority by taxing union benefits, the Administration did
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Billsmile Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:48 PM
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27. Wow , That Was Totally Great!!!
Nice going Keith!!

We're aren't going to go away. WE are the PEOPLE.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:48 AM
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31. In a nutshell. "We Think Over Here"
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:09 AM
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32. he hit that one out of the ball park
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:36 AM
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33. Bravo, Mr. Olbermann, Bravo!
Why should we apologize for critizing OUR President, the one we voted for, the one we donated to, the one we campaigned for??? IF any President does not live up to HIS campaign promises, then he/she can expect criticism from the base. We are not discounting Pres. Obama's accomplishments, but we expect him to at least strive for more of HIS campaign promises. We remember what he said, yes, we do!

We have nothing to apologize for!!!! Mr. Gibbs does!

Btw, practically no one on this big forum thinks a military is unnecessary, for starters.
Gibbs, your hyperbole sucks!

And WTF does 'professional' left mean anyway?? Because we believe in the most just causes of this country and try to organize in some loose, 'herding-cats' way, does NOT make us anything resembling 'professional.' We do not have some corporate sponsors, as does the right who could be called 'professionals'.

Mr. Gibbs, you are full of shit and should be fired. And IF OUR President agrees with you, then fuck him too.


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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:51 AM
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34. Another homer from KO
Obama is not JFK 2.0, he's Carter 2.0. ugh...
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:56 AM
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35. K&R
"The President has shown a willingness to give the Professional Right not just "seats at the table" as we try to restore this country to where it was before Bush and Cheney got a hold of it,not just to give it half the seats at the table,but often — far too often — to give it all the seats,the table, and the damn carpet."
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:30 AM
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36. "They do not want compromise, they want everything"...
and "Why on earth do you start every negotiation just left-of-center? Anybody on this planet, haggling, always asks for far more than they expect to get."

The rest of Keith's logic merely makes the rubble bounce higher, so to speak. If only our president and his minions got this, 3-D chess notwithstanding.

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fogonthelake Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:06 PM
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76. Yes. and his part of starting at the left of center is correct...



The Professional Left didn't start the Health Care Negotiations by moving to the right of the Single Payer and then the Public Option, the Administration did. The Professional Left didn't try to grease some skids with the minority by taxing union benefits, the Administration did.

The Professional Left didn't fire Shirley Sherrod and congratulate itself on quick exaction to avoid a media circus in this environment, the Administration did. The Professional Left didn't begin this presidency by handing everybody who broke the law and subverted the constitution a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free-Card and a virtual set of instructions on how to get away with all of it next time, too, the Administration did.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:59 AM
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39. I am afraid that when Olbermann has to remind the President
that "we think over here" we are already screwed. Apparently it isn't a matter of thinking, or patriotism or humanism or anything that resembles them: it's about money. Yes, some people are trying to call it "compromise." I call it "pandering." Obama is following the money like every politician before him, because he wants a second term. What will he accomplish during that second term? Impossible to guess and why bother? It's very likely that his faux centrism has already cost him the next four years.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:48 AM
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46. Yep, I think the same, "It's very likely that his faux centrism has
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 05:58 AM by RKP5637
already cost him the next four years." This is so sad, to go from the majorities to this... The WH really needs to go back and review how/why they got into office and who got them there. But, as you said, they are smelling out the money trail for the next election and that well might derail them.

I think the American public is getting fed up with the old games. They will we getting no money from here anymore. I'm fed up with bought elections... like Meg Whitman, Bloomberg and all... I'm fed up with America for sale to the highest bidder. It's a battle of who has the most money, anymore. Most of the citizens matter little anymore than to vote the way they are programed by big money and powerful propaganda.




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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:51 AM
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40. K&R

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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:40 AM
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41. Thank you Keith. n/t
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:28 AM
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44. Great comment.
The left is NOTHING like the right, thank God. When will Democrats, that is the politicians and folks like Gibbs, ever stand up for what they believe and be proud of it? Republicans are scared to death of their base, so much so that they've gone to the other extreme of cowing to them.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:57 AM
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47. They do not want compromise they want everything...
the president has shown a willingness to give the professional right not just seats at the table..but often far too often to give them all the seats, the table and the damn carpet as well.

That's where the anger is. Who do you work for Mr. President? Gibbs, Emanuel or the ones who went door to door because they believed you would do what you said you would. I can no longer keep voting for the lesser of two evils. We wanted the change that was promised. It's not like we dreamed it. We didn't expect it would be a free ride but what has shocked us is the willingness to concede just to get a facade passed. We do think over here and have the capacity for reasoning.

We are not the problem as Keith so brilliantly pointed out. There is a difference between left and right and if this administration wants blind devotion it should try earning it. Gibbs just angered a lot of people who were already fuming with Emanuel and Geitner. WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS.

Thank You Keith..superb
:applause: :applause: :dem:

Thank you Hissyspit..it needed to be said
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:58 AM
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48. one correction
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 07:18 AM by bdamomma
who says the "right" is professional they are hoodlums. This comment should be sent to the WH.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:14 AM
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54.  who says the "right" is professional they are hoodlums.
Exactly!
Karl Rove was (is?) praised generally and by both sides as being a "political genius". I assume because he got results.... and used TRICKS.

I'm sure we could all be "geniuses" is we too broke the rules, lied, cheated and stole. Karl is just a professional criminal.

A real genius would get things done without breaking the rules and lying.

The WH is normalizing the breaking of some rules and lying and STILL can barely get anything half-assed done.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:27 AM
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49. k &r
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:59 AM
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51. I don't think Olbermann is part of those referred to, and he makes some great points.
However, if more of the "professional left" made it more of a point to talk about all of the things Olbermann does in this piece on what the right is and does, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:28 PM
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104. Huh? what?
It is always the fault of the left, isn't it?
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:10 AM
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53. Another proud K&R!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:34 AM
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55. Excellent!
eom
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:40 AM
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56. Rahm Emanuel
has to go sooner rather than later.
He is the problem. The DLC needs a kick in the nads.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:53 AM
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58. His boss needs a lesson in reality. Rahm can leave, sure, but
his boss is the one who needs to learn the lesson from Rahm leaving.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:25 PM
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77. Exactly
BHO chose Gibbs, chose Geithner, chose Rahm and those shills at Education and Interior. His choices REFLECT him and reveal who he is...
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:34 PM
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106. B I N G O...
... Gibbs's only mistake is that his slip now has put on the record exactly how this admin feels about the left. So now they can no longer use their empty rhetoric for more bullshit plausible 3-D chess deniability.

Thus witness the silly spin from the DLC fan club, which now are reduced to basically make the point that we should not trust our lying eyes.

It is not that this administration is just woefully incompetent at managing their message, but they are so fucking amateurish they think the can shit on part of their base on the run up to a midterm election. This level of disconnect is disconcerting to say the least. I am sure as fuck I ain't going to support an admin which throws any liberal under the bus after the slightest pressure from FOX, calls us retarded, declares unions as their enemy, and now has a press secretary saying how we're on drugs. Enough is enough. They can go fuck themselves for all I care, at some point this is no longer just plain incompetence but when they start laughing at our own faces the joke is on us if we continue supporting this band of idiots.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:52 AM
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57. k & r
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:13 AM
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61. K & R!! Because being patient,
conceding, going with the flow, staying nice and quiet, has caused us to be dragged to the right in the first place. Historically, the only way we got labor laws, human rights, peace and civil rights was to make ourselves heard loud and clear.

I want President Obama to go down in history well, to be a success. Most of all, I want him to know as he confronts the right, we have his back the whole way!!

Being accused of being wacky, living a dream world, whiny, or on drugs is a CLASSIC dismissal of the left. That is why it hits a nerve--and that is the crap that dismantled the movements of the 60s and 70s. Well guess what---this time it won't work, we are not backing down!!!

Thanks for posting this!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:41 AM
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64. Righteous Rant!
Amen, Brother!
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:17 AM
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66. This commentary was a thing of beauty.
He seems to find a way to say all the things so many of us are thinking/feeling, and convey them in a concise yet ass-kicking manner.

:applause: :applause:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:22 AM
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67. This is one of his best commenst ever.
I have watched him since the very beginning and this was the most pointed, succinct, accurate, perfectly pitched comment I have seen him make.

He hit all the bases -- the RW wanting propoganda/the LW wanting Truth, O giving away the candy store before negotiations even begin, and showing the video of Obama calling on us to keep using or voices to make him act yet Gibbs complaining when we do so.

That was a little bit of perfection and I sincerely hope the O crew watched, took note, and will adjust.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:19 AM
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69. K&R..from Keith's mouth to Obama's ears....and Gibbs and Rahm...
:kick:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:20 AM
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70. Thank you Keith
Gibbs really sucks spoiled rotten eggs

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:53 AM
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71. K&R
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:55 AM
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72. LOL....
'the amateur left.' :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :spray:
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:07 PM
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73. Gibbs needs to go
And I'm starting to think the same about Obama.
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pgodbold Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:08 PM
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74. The Amateur Left. Possibly the most accurate statement about the WH I have ever heard.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:41 PM
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75. Brilliant. k&r n/t
-Laelth
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:54 PM
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79. I stand with Keith! Major kudos for the truth expressed brilliantly! nt
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:57 PM
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80. "..the White House has been more like the Amateur Left"
Well put, KO, well put!

K&R
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:13 PM
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86. Perfectly delivered
I never have an issue with any of Keith's special comments as they appear in print. But his style on TV has sometimes been a ranting raving Howard Beale of the left. He avoided any such histrionics this time and was pitch perfect.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:30 PM
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90. I sure hope SOMEONE in the White House watches it, and looks at DU!!!
I'm really disappointed in Obama, as many of my friends are.

NO, I can't imagine voting for anyone OTHER THAN a Democrat for any office, and will be happy to vote for Obama again, but I could be happier, if Obama and his staff started listening to Keith and Rachel more.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:34 PM
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91. Can't attack professional right while you are wooing them.
Gibbs does professional level pretzel bending to kiss the ass of the professional right, but loves to hate the people who make the Democratic party worth while.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:52 PM
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92. sorry duplicate
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 04:03 PM by ooglymoogly
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:55 PM
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93. self delete
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 04:04 PM by ooglymoogly
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:59 PM
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94. O must cringe, when these old clips verifying his grandstanding
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 04:07 PM by ooglymoogly
on liberal causes (spelled common sense) are replayed; Clearly none of which he ever intended to act upon; Of things he and his enablers now pretend he never said; Showing us exactly what kind of hypocrite we have worked our hearts out for.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:05 PM
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95.  KR; Keith; Still keeping it real. Kudos!
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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:46 PM
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97. Why no outrage for Obama
I seem to remember him throwing the left under the bus on Fox news to get his health care reform bill passed. I'm thinking this is how the current administration feels about the professional left.

-p
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:28 PM
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98. Luv it: "take it up with the Professional (aka whackjobs) Right!"
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:51 PM
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100. Brilliant! Brilliant, Keith Olberman. Maybe your best because you target audience was one and we
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 05:51 PM by peacetalksforall
got to hear it and you knew how to line it up and cover every salient angle. Wonderful!!!!! Thank you!!!!!
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:27 PM
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103. Cheers to Keith Olbermann - Always a great fun informative kick-ass show on MSNBC!!
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:38 PM
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107. Keith brings Tears to My Eyes
He tells it like it is period! My favorite line was "we think." Any one who wants blind worship belongs on the right.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:50 PM
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108. BIG K & R n/t
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:08 PM
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109. k & r !! n/t
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111. K&R!
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