AP: Nothing alive above 35 feet -- Gets worse closer to shore

[Generic Other]

Run time: 03:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7nXidGYZaY   Posted on YouTube: October 04, 2010 By YouTube Member: OilFlorida Views on YouTube: 269   Posted on DU: October 04, 2010 By DU Member: Generic Other Views on DU: 4923

 
AP, October 3, 2010: Nothing alive above 35 feet

What caused this? No one knows for sure????

[Submariner]

1. BP knew exactly what they were doing with the dispersants

trying to hide the ecological damage by keeping the crude deep below the eyes of the media news cameras, to try and make the story of their incompetence go away.

Judging by the number of responses to BP threads like this one, their plan is working.

[Patchuli]

8. I just saw this

but I have and will continue to stand on street corners to protest BP.

[stuntcat]

14. yes

bet a lot of Americans think the Gulf is back to "normal" now

[truedelphi]

28. Watch the dispersant vid in my sig line

Our wonderful Corporate-Controlled EPA signed off on the dispersant. (But if you have a Corporate controlled Congress and Executive Positions, you'll always have a Corporate Controlled EPA.)

"Well, the potion did not kill the patient in the first 4 and a half seconds, So We shall deem it safe," said one mad scientist to the other.

"And clearly, our best PR tactic is to point out to the public that 100% of the test subjects
survived!" replied the second mad scientist!

[LittleGirl]

2. our beach vacation starts in 12 days - Gulf Shores AL

We planned to go back in January and feared all summer we'd have to cancel. We're going despite these reports to 'see' for ourselves. I also want to support the businesses down there. I just hope we don't suffer physically after getting in the water.

[molly77]

3. What is going on with the oil companies?

Have they gotten so greedy that they do not want any living person around oil to share revenues? We have Iraq and the Gulf.

1) Iraq was called the beacon of the east before WE went over to liberate them from their oil. They even had women teaching at university level.Now the women have to worry about deformed babies after the depleted uranium depleted a safe environment. Over a million Iraqis killed and more fled.

2) The aftermath of Katrina in New Orleans was genocide aimed at the poor.

3) The Gulf oil disaster was negligence? I am seeing a pattern.

[scentopine]

4. google "nigeria oil spill"...

Here are some images that tell you exactly what is going on with the oil companies. They are killing us; slowly, painfully killing us.

Take a look at Nigeria and you will see exactly what happens when an industry is left to regulate itself.

http://www.google.com/images?q=nigeria+oil+spill&hl=en&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbs=isch:1&ei=JISqTMWXN8T48Aahu4C3Bw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQ_AU&biw=1440&bih=717

[Carolina]

26. awful

capitalism run amok coupled with environmental racism.

[bertman]

37. Yes, they have gotten very greedy. Of course, they think THEY will be

around to enjoy their profits.

yes, you are seeing a pattern.

[ingac70]

5. Do NOT swim in the Gulf. Please! n/t

[Stumbler]

6. Ditto. Do not swim in the Gulf

Speaking as a concerned stranger of no importance, don't do it. Check the beach & nearby waterways if you want, but don't even risk swimming there.

I'm sorry to say, but I just don't trust those waters anymore - - Thank YOU Capitalism!!!

[sce56]

7. Not to scare you but I have heard lots of stories about the corexit getting many people sick

Even from swimming in pools! I would not take a chance with my children's health! I don't even like to take them to Santa Monica Bay as it is very polluted waters with runoff from the LA storm drainage system. As for the gulf look at this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqbx2TnbYlc

[ChiciB1]

12. I've Posted This Before & Was Called An Alarmist... HOWEVER, While

I KNOW that our beaches were not what they used to be even BEFORE the spill, and I KNOW that they have accumulated more detritis/debris over the years, this spill IMO, will reveal even MORE devastation that many have yet to find out.

I live on the Gulf Coast of Florida and I myself WILL NOT swim in the Gulf. Living further south than Tampa, and having NOT seen tar balls, my nose has detected a different smell than before. Nothing visible, but we have seen dead sharks and different types of sea life cropping up that we don't usually see.

My son-in-law who works at the ER in the largest hospital in the area has told me about an increase of rashes by people who have gone swimming in the gulf. I have said that perhaps some people are mores susceptible to rashes, etc., but that I feel the increase is due to the corexit that was used. And may STILL being used for all I know because I most certainly DON'T TRUST BP or even what the EPA is telling us.

This spill WAS and STILL is the worst ever seen here and it's ramifications will live on for many decades. In my neighborhood we are seeing more egrets, herons other types of birds coming inland to be fed, perhaps because their natural instinct is telling them something. I do live rather close to the Gulf so we do see these types of birds all year around, but am seeing more than usual. I once would feed them, but it encouraged them not to hunt and they do leave large droppings on cars, houses, driveways etc., but now I feel sorry for them again.

This spill created a toxic mix that will continue to be downplayed and covered up and it's simply shameful for ANYONE to try to spin it in any other way!

What infuriates me even more are the people making commercials who say THEY HAVE LIVED their whole life in the area and have FULL confidence in BP cleaning up the mess and that they won't let BP stop until they have paid full restitution, Boy, THEY must have been paid some REALLY BIG BUCKS!!

IT'S A LIE! JMHO!

[LittleGirl]

18. I think you mean well

but I'm not trusting anything from the FOX network. NOTHING.

[sce56]

21. This was a local affiliate I believe they are not as censored as the network media

And the story is showing the effects on wild life not covering it up!

[bherrera]

11. These reports are fear-mongering

There is nothing wrong with the beach. This guy who posted this item also posted one called "Whole Communities Vomiting Blood" and other lies. In this case, the platform referenced is located close to the oil spill site. I am researching the oil spill impact, and this may be caused in part by the oil spill, and in part because the oil platform legs are painted with a special paint to avoid fouling close to the surface. They do not want growth there because it makes the plaform receive a higher wave and current impact. Do notice there are many fish swimming in the water, and today the water is very clear.

[LittleGirl]

20. Thank you for that

All I wanted was a beach vacation with lots of seafood to eat. I wanted to swim in the ocean and get a tan. I had to stop watching the reports because I would cry that our beach vacation was lost. I am staying at my Uncle's place a few blocks from the beach and he says most of the reports are overhyped. I do hope he's right. He'll be there this weekend so I hope to get a report like yours.

[liberation]

23. LOL

... you do know the previous poster lives thousands of miles away from Louisiana, in a different continent and facing a different sea even, and has posted nothing but pro-BP propaganda, right?

Just because you are hearing what you want to hear, it doesn't necessarily mean it is correct.

[bherrera]

30. I am reserching oil spills for our local government

I work for the city of Alicante, part of the Community of Valencia. We have a group which is asked to study the effect of oil spills, to allow us to protect our beaches. I do not publish pro-BP propaganda, I am only stating facts, and point out there are many cases of fraud and false information.

As we observe the effect of the BP oil spill, we conclude the event can cause harmful effects in three different areas:

1. The oil spill itself causes harm to the environment.
2. The oil spill impacts tourism and tax revenue.
3. There are frauds perpetrated by people which can be classified under two rubrics:

A) There are amateurs who are interested in attacking the government, presumably because they are members of an opposition party, or are very interested in attacking an industry.

B) There is criminal fraud by people who claim impact by the oil spill, which is false. This can also be classified into two sub gruops, one is the group which limits itself to making claims of disease, or lost income. And there is a far more criminal group which is known to spill oil they purchase, or to dump poison in the water to create fish kills.

Thus our response plan to an oil spill is now aiming to have the ability to control these areas. We have to be able to clean the oil and remedy the environmental effects. To be able to document the effects, we have to have a baseline study every year, which provides us with the understanding of the harmful effects. And these have to account for changes according to the seasons.

We have to make sure liars who try to create a feeling that things are worse than they are, such as the guys who post the insane information in blogs and other media, are properly countered with facts. In other words, we will not allow people to post "Whole Communities Vomiting Blood" without immediate response, and possibly civil prosecution (because their lies harm the tourist industry). And the last thing we will do is make sure we have the laboratory which can tell us the type of oil, analyse the dispersants, understand their impact, so we can address the fraud cases, which can be referred to authoties so they can be prosecuted and jailed.

Our plan will be presented to the Regional Authorities next year, and I hope it becomes an example of a quality response to an oil spill. We will also encourage other changes, for example installing better control of navigation by oil tankers, and better markings of our shore line.

Hope this helps.

[liberation]

32. Nothing that you listed gives your opinions any more credibility than any other posters here...

... I label your nonsense as propaganda, because even though you live thousands of miles in a different country you have gone out of your way to contradict the first hand accounts of people who actually live in the vicinity of the spill itself. Besides the fact that arguments that depend on authority are fallacious in nature, even more so when they are done in an anonymous fashion. Furthermore, your post is nothing more than an assertion that indeed you have a specific narrative to push.

I find it hard to believe the city of Alicante has the budget to have a proper and professional task force to deal and analyze and deal with oil spills, unless it is at the very amateurish advisory level. Alicante however has a big British expat community, and I believe BP's largest refinery in Southern Europe is in that region. Funny how that is...

[meeshrox]

40. Take another look at the post...

I believe you may be in one of those catergories (or at least a few of your sources that don't live thousands of miles from the gulf are)...that was what I got out of it...

First hand accounts have the ability to be spun, too...

[Generic Other]

41. And the city of Alicante plans to prosecute me for posting on DU?

"...possibly civil prosecution (because their lies harm the tourist industry)." Bring it on! I have yet to meet the court that can order me to STFU. Better bring a big bailiff and a huge gag!

As long as these reports land in my mailbox, they will get posted on DU.

[sce56]

35. Simple solution don't allow oil to be spilled! Insist on multiple layers of protection and

alternative power supplies. If oil companies were not allowed to diversify their portfolios then they would not be able to slow down or prevent alternative energies from being developed like they are doing now!

[scentopine]

44. I've been conducting a study of people shilling for BP

And have concluded that BP's 200 billion dollar a year revenue is used very effectively to lie, cheat, steal, censor, control, manipulate, destroy evidence regarding information about the oil spill. And also in my investigations I have disacovered the same people who said oil drilling was perfectly safe, are now saying that this oil spill is all a big exageration. Plus, I have discovered that citizens are being subjected to a huge chemical experiment where cancer rates and illnesses will take years to manifest.

AND I have discovered that small groups of organized people concerned about the environment are no match for the billions of marketing dollars BP can use to publish propaganda.

We have to make sure the liars who are claiming that the Gulf of Mexico is safe and the effects of the oil spill are exaggerated and the chemicals are doing no harm are called out. That is the biggest risk. Leaving BP in charge of this oil spill was a huge mistake for America.

What's good for BP is not good for America. Corporations will lie and cheat just like they did to precipitate the wall street disaster and just like they did in the events leading up to the explosion and also in the censorship and control over the handling of the oil spill. This oil spill disaster that WILL have a negative material effect on the health of ALL living organisms in that area.

Watch out for the liars on DU. They are everywhere. And they are just as comfortable on free republic as they are here.

I'd like to see the employees of BP on their hands and knees mopping that shit up and paying the residents damages. Putting people on the BP payroll is operating like some corrupt 3rd world despot government. BP is usurping government by buying off the politicians.

[Generic Other]

46. Results of my study of BP confirms your conclusions

Their slimeballs spend a lot of time on DU trying to cover up their tarballs.

[Generic Other]

25. Yeah right nothing wrong -- just liars washing up on the beaches

Pensacola Beach Oil Impact Update In Fort Pickens October 4 2010
http://www.youtube.com/user/pcolagregg#p/a/u/1/j2QYreDEJNY

Nothing wrong with Republicans blocking investigations into BP and the Gulf spill.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x510402

Nothing wrong with Dive equipment "EATEN THROUGH" & parts of engines "MELTING"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg8NKpP05qc&feature=player_embedded

Nothing wrong with health departments in 4 states posting numbers for people getting sick from rashes, skin lesions, respiratory problems, and bleeding. Nothing wrong with that.

Toxicologist says persistent rashes in Gulf residents -- Resists mulitple rounds of antibiotics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg8NKpP05qc&feature=player_embedded

Nothing wrong with ALL KINDS of sea birds PARALYZED and DEAD around SARASOTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqbx2TnbYlc&feature=player_embedded


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In Louisiana, there have been 411 reports of health complaints believed to be related to exposure to pollutants from the
oil spill, including cases of heat stress. Three hundred and twenty-five (325) reports came from workers and 86 from the
general population (see limitations of these data explained on page 2). Most frequently reported symptoms include
headache, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, weakness/fatigue and upper respiratory irritation.


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Thousands of People Along the Gulf Coast Suffer ‘BP Crud’

“I expected the vessel of opportunity workers to get sick because they were given hard hats instead of respirators just like our guys were. So it really didn’t surprise me in early May when I heard pretty much identical health symptoms,” she said. Dizziness, sore throat, headache, nausea, burning eyes, and eventually skin rashes resistant to treatment with antibiotics.

“What convinced me that we may have a really big problem here,” she said, is when she heard similar stories at community forums from people not working directly in the oil and chemical tainted water, marshes and sand, and when she talked to pharmacists who reported seeing a huge increase in respiratory illnesses and bad skin rashes.

“Now that the children are back in school, there’s a series of ’strep throat,” she said. “It’s the same symptoms, the blisters in the throat, the rashes I’d heard about all summer.”

There is a new area of occupational and environmental medicine covering chemical related illnesses, and the symptoms literally mimic flu-like symptoms. Dr. Ott is launching a Gulf-wide health survey along with coastal non-profit groups including the Louisiana Bayoukeeper and Ultimate Civics, a project of Earth Island Institute. The groups are also holding community health forums and opening health centers to try to get a handle on the scope of the problem.

http://oilspillaction.com/thousands-of-people-along-the-gulf-coast-suffer-%E2%80%98bp-crud%E2%80%99-video

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The Gulf Coast Oil Spill has the potential to affect human health in addition to the effects already seen on animal and marine life. CDC, along with the affected Gulf Coast states, has developed a plan to track the potential short-term health effects related to the oil spill in the affected communities. Surveillance systems track changes in the number and severity of illnesses and injuries in a population, alerting public health officials to trends that require further investigation.

CDC, with state and local health departments, is conducting surveillance across the four Gulf States for health effects possibly related to the oil spill using national and state-based surveillance systems. These surveillance systems are being used to track symptoms related to the eyes, skin, and respiratory, cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, and neurological systems, including worsening of asthma, cough, chest pain, eye irritation, nausea, and headache. If the surveillance systems identify groups of people with these symptoms, state and local public health officials will be able to follow up as needed to investigate whether there is an association between the symptoms and the oil spill. This follow-up is important because the same symptoms could be related to a cause unrelated to the oil spill.
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Corexit can cause pneumonitis, respiratory irritation, nausea, vomiting, red blood cell injury, and eye irritation.3 Workers are also regularly handling oil compounds containing potentially dangerous substances such as benzene. According to the Department of Health and Human Services' Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, benzene is a known carcinogen and breathing high levels of it can cause drowsiness, dizziness, rapid heartbeat, and headaches.4 Discussions at the IOM meeting emphasized the importance of training for all cleanup workers and the provision of personal protective equipment such as gloves, boots, and respirators as needed.
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Dr. Shaw told CNN:
If I can tell you what happens — because I was in the oil — to people…
Shrimpers throwing their nets into water… water from the nets splashed on his skin. …
headache that lasted 3 weeks… heart palpitations… muscle spasms… bleeding from the rectum…
And that’s what that Corexit does, it ruptures red blood cells, causes internal bleeding, and liver and kidney damage. …
This stuff is so toxic combined… not the oil or dispersants alone. …
Very, very toxic and goes right through skin.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/07/guest-post-toxicologists-say-corexit-%E2%80%9Cruptures-red-blood-cells-causes-internal-bleeding%E2%80%9D-allows-crude-oil-to-penetrate-%E2%80%9Cinto-the-cells%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cevery-organ-s.html

No cause for alarm. Because you say so.

[lark]

36. BP apologist aka bherrera

I have seen many pictures of the oil on the islands and seen reports by university affiliated scientist with pictures showing the oil in the water and on land. I believe them over you. 5,000,000 barrels of oil does not just disappear and it certainly wasn't cleaned up or removed either. All those fish kills didn't just come about because of beautiful clear water either. Oh, and your thing about paint, the paint's been there all along, why are the major, many fish kills just being reported now?

Sorry, no one's buying your story. Move along.

[meeshrox]

39. Fish kills happened in shallow water

of the bays that are cut off from flow to the Gulf...it happens every year when the water gets really hot and the dissolved oxygen levels fall.

Not unusual at all and very well-known phenomenon.

[Generic Other]

42. Funny how we are supposed to trust BP over our own fellow citizens

And our eyes. Like you said, the pictures, articles, test results are all out there for anyone to judge for themselves what should and should not alarm us!

[scentopine]

45. At a penny a post its not much but it helps pay the bills...

have pity, the posts are so feeble its hard not to feel sorry for this person who has kinship for the Gulf of Mexico because they are in Spain.

[truedelphi]

29. Do not get in the water.

Please, do not get in the water.

[lark]

34. Don't go in the water!!

You are endangering your health, don't buy their lies. Please!

[LittleGirl]

38. Okay. I won't get in the water

shit. Or eat the seafood. shit. Enough of you have responded in your well meaning posts...so I have to listen to you all. (thank you, I think).

Now what? This was the only vacation we could afford this year. No motel fees because we're staying at my Uncle's place...just had to pay for gas (12 hr drive one way) and food.

shit, shit, shit.

[sce56]

47. Sorry but it is best to err on the side of caution! Your children's health is more important than a

vacation! Best of luck.

[LittleGirl]

49. what children?

It's just my husband and I going on vacation. We don't have children and never will.
thanks.

[sce56]

50. Ok well I got something wrong but you definetly dont want to get you or your husband sick!

Best of luck!

[sce56]

9. The oil companies are also responsible for this by repressing green technologies

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x563055

[bherrera]

13. How do oil companies "repress green technologies"?

I am curious to know. I can't see how they can do this, but maybe you know? Or are you making the statement without any idea of what you say?

[nyc 4 Biden]

15. "How do oil companies "repress green technologies"?"

By lobbying congress and lining corrupt politicians pockets to withhold funding initiatives and to pass carbon friendly legislation.

Here's a GOP Governor calling them out a couple days ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x509810

http://www.examiner.com/political-spin-in-national/gov-arnold-schwarzenegger-accuses-oil-companies-of-self-serving-greed

[liberation]

19. Oh, god... not you again...

[Generic Other]

43. As Shakespeare would say, "Methinks he doth protest too much!"

BP and others will do or say anything to suppress information. I get paid nothing to pass it along. My agenda is to fight this huge corporation who spend more trying to lie to Americans and to ignore the health of millions than they will spend correcting the problems they caused.

Thanks for reminding their lackeys (my stalker) we are on to them. Over and over if need be.

[sce56]

22. I work in the power generation field since 1974, and if you want to buy a solar cell look

who bought up the largest factories for them Shell & BP! That is why the cells cost so much they should have gone down in price by now but they are still way expensive after all if they were cheaper then the price of electricity would go down due to less demand.

[defendandprotect]

24. Great point ... this has been going on for decades ... they should have barred ....

from taking over solar and wind!

[truedelphi]

31. Well, for one thing, with our Corporate controlled government -

Under Carter, the solar movement was going great guns ahead.

People got tax credits to install solar panels. And even though the solar panels were extremely expensive, very huge and clumsy, and not that efficient, people who could afford it used the tax credits.

Back in late seventies the American Association of Architects reported that 17% of homes to the affluent had some style of solar going in. This should have been a tipping point - because once people saw how great it was to get solar going ont heir homes, they would also install them in the rental properties they owned, and as more and more solar tech was used the prices would fall.

Big Oil saw to it that

1) There was a "withhold" placed on oil reserves and resources. Tankers sat mid-Ocean, in order to stay out of the American energy grid. Oil went up at an alarming rate in price. The Kissinger/Bush tactics (behind the scenes) worked and drove the media into a frenzy over what a terrible President that Carter was.

2) The media tracked on a daily basis Carter's fall in popularity. I left for Europe in mid May 1079. His popularity was higher than any other President's was toward the end of their term. Over 55%!

When I got back from Europe in mid July, 1979, first headline of Chicago paper to catch my eye was this one:

"Carter polls at 16%!"

Big Oil had basically ousted the man.

He ran against Reagan a year later and Reagan was an oil supported candidate. Reagan was not expected by Bush Sr. to survive the Hinkley shooting. But although Bush Sr did not get to take over the Reagan Presidency, he and his people convinced Reagan that it was not fair market tactics to give solar energies a push with a tax credit. Without the credits, the solar stuff was too expensive, and the solar competition to oil fell to the way side, where it has only recently been revived.

Even with its revival, no big banks would loan money to one of the most tremendous energy companies to come out of California in recent years. It had new solar array technology and would have undercut production prices by 33%. But no one gave the firm money needed. (Many banks are controlled by the same people that control Big Oil and Big nuclear.)

So the beat goes on, for Big Oil.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Just cover up your head and the monster can't get you...

Right, I believed shit like that until I was about five years old.

Wondering what caused that "dead zone" is something a five year old might do. The Monster is Big Oil and Big Coal and the people who they own and operate.

[WingDinger]

16. DUH

[The Uncola]

17. It is an outrage.

One of many. And if I had any means to do something about it, I would. Perhaps that do have the means should?

Sadly, I've got more important personal issue to solve first, like keeping the roof over my family's head...

[Uncle Joe]

27. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Generic Other.

[lark]

33. K&R

Too many people have drunk the government/BP corporate kool-aid and believe all the incredible lies that they are spreading. Of course you know who will pay the price in illness. Hint, it won't be the corporate fat cats, they know better than to go near the water or beach or eat any of the seafood.

[hatrack]

48. We're only beginning to find out the effects of all that oil & the toxics that made it "go away"

Wish I could recommend.