Young Turks: Firefighters Let House Burn Down Over $75 - This Is A Problem For The Whole Country!!!

[CherylK]

Run time: 09:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJyjNiL4zZg   Posted on YouTube: October 06, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 305   Posted on DU: October 06, 2010 By DU Member: CherylK Views on DU: 4301

 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/firefighters-watch-as-hom_n_750272.html

[DURHAM D]

1. So will we need to federalize fire departments across the country?

[breadandwine]

30. No! PRIVATIZE the fire departments!

If you didn't pay your fire bill, let YOUR apartment burn down! Who cares if there are other apartments right next to yours in YOUR building! They paid, you didn't!


Who the hell needs government!

That's socialism !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When I hear the word "collective," I reach for mah gun !!!!!

[jgraz]

2. I've been waiting for this clip to go up -- thanks for posting it.

I'm glad to see they have the entire rant on there. Cenk really nails it.

[niceypoo]

3. I bet the insurance company just loves that FD

[BDavinciNY]

4. Great Vid by Cenk

It is absolutely repugnant to allow a house to burn down because that guy didn't pay the $75 "fee" for fire protection. That South Fulton mayor is an extortionist and should be charged with extortion. It is unconscionable to allow the public to pay a fee on top of the taxes they pay for basic services like a fire department. Cenk was right this is the Rethugs and the Tea Party wet dream they love this and they want more of this until we really look like Somalia. Hey Rethugs: You said you wanted "smaller government" and your house was burned down,you have dirt or unmaintained roads, no streetlights and your food has been poisoned due to laxed regulation. How do you like your "smaller" government now?

:wtf: :banghead:

[AtheistCrusader]

6. I could be wrong but, it doesn't make any sense that they would charge a fee

on top of property taxes devoted to Fire/Rescue.

Does that county devote some portion of property taxes to fire? If so, then this guy has good grounds for a lawsuit.

My assumption is, they didn't collect any taxes for it. Otherwise, why a fee?

[ihavenobias]

7. Link under video.

That story contains other links for even more info.

[AtheistCrusader]

8. I don't see anything in the HuffPo story or any related stories that they paid for Fire/Rescue

in any way.

We do it with a biannual levee in our property taxes. You don't get to go a la carte here. Don't pay? Lose your home.
If none of his property taxes go to that fire department, welp.

I agree that going a la carte on these services isn't a good idea, because people will make poor decisions, but my county's solution has consequences as well, including leaving people homeless.

[Hannah Bell]

10. The county's entire expenditure on Fire & Rescue is $12,000. To put out grass & car

fires in "certain" areas.

Neighboring counties spend an average of $288K.

Page 18:

http://troy.troytn.com/Obion%20County%20Fire%20Department%20Presentation%20Presented%20to%20the%20County%20Commission.pdf

There is no money spent on residential fire protection whatsoever.

The county opted to let individuals in the unincorporated county choose to subscribe to a city fire service -- or not, as they saw fit.

[janewin]

26. Russian TV

Reported that this guys house caught on fire 3 yrs ago and an exception was made for him, also he was reminded in August to pay for his fire fees. All indications shows that this guy knew exactly what the consequences for his action was. On Keith Olberman's show he said that 3 other houses were allowed to burn because they did not pay this fee. I find it very hard to sympathize with this man's cause. These people vote for politicians who will give them lower and lower taxes and limited govt and these guys actually delivered. This a lesson that needs to be learnt

[Hannah Bell]

9. No. The county assesses NO tax for fire protection. The county spends

$12,000 per year to put out grass & car fires in "certain areas". That's it. That's its entire expenditure for fire service. It doesn't have any arrangement for residential fires. It's twice shot down proposals for a volunteer fire service.

Neighboring counties spend an average of $288K for fire protection.

The county, in its wisdom, voted to allow its 15,000 unincorporated residents to decide, as individuals, to contract with city fire departments -- or not.

The cities in question have an average population of 2000 people. The smallest is 360 people. Somehow they manage to fund a city fire department -- which county residents think they're entitled to free-ride on.

75% of all fire calls come from the unincorporated county.

[Wally Pipp]

49. Rest of the story. . .

I got the impression from the video clip that the Cranecks lived in a town next to South Fulton and that the town they lived in did not have a Fire Department. Apparently their township had an arrangement with its larger neighbor for fire protection, so long as its residents payed up their $75.

It is prohibitively expensive for these small towns to run emergency services like these. A lot of these towns depend upon federal and state grants to help cover these costs, on top of the property taxes residents already pay. When the federal block grants to states fell victim to federal budget cuts over the last approximately 16 years, this is the predictable result.

[sabrina 1]

67. Our small town, which has approx. 3,000 year round residents

has a volunteer FD. They have the latest equipment and ongoing training for their members. They raise funds by putting on events that attract people from the community and from other communities. A Fire Department Fair, an annual Barbecue which attracts thousands each year. The firefighters do the cooking and the cleanup along with their family members.

They also go door to door to get donations each year. But if someone doesn't donate or participate in any of the events to raise funds, it doesn't matter to them. All fires are extinguished. It would be unthinkable for them not to put out a fire. Also, if the fire is beyond their capabilities, neighboring FDs will come to help.

There is absolutely no exuse for what happened to that house. All it takes is a little planning as we all know there are always going to be some who will not want to contribute, that should not be a death sentence. It benefits everyone when the goal is to protect the community in general.

Three dogs and a cat died in that fire. That was unconscienable. If the homeowner is irresponsible, that doesn't mean the FD and elected officials have to be also.

[droidamus2]

61. That's my question

Wouldn't the normal way to do this be for the county, paid through whatever taxes they collect, to negotiate with the town to provide fire protection to county residents. Especially if the county isn't willing to pay to establish their own fire departments. Is it easier for the mayor to extort money from individuals where he can just decide that you have to pay $75 take or leave it. How much you wanna bet that now they have shown everybody what happens if you don't pay the fee will go up next year, and the year after that and the year after that.

[Hannah Bell]

12. South fulton is a town of 2500 people. Its residents pay taxes to fund fire protection

inside the city.

That is all the city's fire department is responsible for.

County residents DON'T PAY TAXES TO FUND THE CITY'S FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE FEE IS THE ONLY PAYMENT.

There are 15,000 residents in the unincorporated county.

The county commissioners voted for this policy of individual choice rather than to tax everyone and contract with the cities as a body.

Cenk's rant is bullshit & spin.

Both the libs & the cons are spinning bigtime -- & trying to dupe the population.

[rpannier]

16. His 'spin' is spot on

By not putting the fire out immediately they threatened the safety of everyone else in the area.
Had the wind gusted up and blown the fire in several different directions you could have had a serious fire that threatened the lives and property of everyone around there -- check out the wildfires that hit California to see how that happens.

By their logic, and the logic you are supporting, if they were a police force that had the same policy 75 bucks and their house was being robbed the police wouldn't have to do anything because they hadn't paid the money.

[Hannah Bell]

17. Your logic is that a small town should subsidize fire service for a larger, richer county

whose residents have for more than 20 years refused to tax themselves to pay for fire service while making 75% of all fire calls the city receives.

Your logic is that the city should bankrupt itself.

2,500 people in south fulton.

15,000 people in the unincorporated county.

under the previous policy when the city responded to every call & charged after the fact, more than half those served never paid, and the county refused to assess any taxes so that payment would be guaranteed.

when the city asked for a guarantee of payment, this is the policy the county voted for after two years of negotiations.

and after shooting down two proposals to fund a county volunteer fire service.

it's unworkable, but your logic insists that the city magically make it work by continuing to come to every fire call, exactly as before.

[ProgressiveMajority]

25. Yeah, nothing to do with "privatized," but WHO CARES?... I certainlly don't :-)

I have no problem with the video, or the way MSNBC covered it. The story can be spun to get an important anti-privatization point across. It fits the meta-narrative very well. If this gets it into peoples heads how dangerous the "tea party" ideals are than I'm all for it.

But in this actual, specific case? This is just a county/town tax issue. Insofar as it translates into a national issue, it's an issue of federalism, i.e. should fire services be a blanket national service. I think the optimal solution would be a bill stipulating that all areas MUST have fire service and pay the associated tax to whichever municipality provides it.

Yeah though, it's got jack to do with privatization. You could nationalize every company in the entire country and still have this sort of bureaucratic/funding screw up. Still though, good video on the part of TYT.

[JustAmused]

45. I think it is more Hannah

Hannah, the info I found put the county population at 33,000. I have lived near that area. South Fulton is no a wealthy place at all. Thanks for your posts. It is great someone responding here that has both read and done their own research before screeching from their respective rooftop.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. I can't give you a specific example of that scenario with the police

but a similar 'injustice' can be reviewed in Gonzales vs. Castle Rock.

Mother called and called and called for the police to come do something to protect her and her family, but abusive ex hubby was 'not overdue' out with the kids, and all the threatening calls he had made to her weren't a material threat, despite him telling her over and over he'd kill her when he got there.

Long story short, the police ignored her until it was too late to do anything but draw chalk outlines, and the Supreme Court held they couldn't be liable for failure to protect her, that they had no duty to protect her.

[Hannah Bell]

34. that case has nothing to do with payment.

[CherylK]

23. + 1

Can not believe people are trying to defend this BS!!!

:wtf: :crazy:

[Kajsa]

36. +!

You said it, Cheryl!

[julian09]

27. What they are responible for

Where I come CT from we have mutual aid from several nearby towns, even if we only pay taxes in one of those towns.
What would happen if a school or factory had a fire in this godforsaken place. Letting annimals suffer and die at the altar of taxation, which the TP loons are against.

[Hannah Bell]

35. there is no such "mutual aid" between this county & the city, because the county HAS NO FIRE DEPART-

MENT.

BECAUSE THEY'VE REPEATEDLY REFUSED TO FUND ONE.

The "aid" has gone all one way for decades; the city paid to put out the county's fires.

Even though the county is more populous & has a higher median income than the city.

[boycottfaux]

32. INHUMANE

There were FIVE ANIMALS inside that house the fire department
did not save.  They all died . .

What if there were HUMAN BEINGS inside that house?  You okay
with this inhumanity because you seek revenge because these
people didn't ante up their fee???

How much blood is enough for 'you people'????

Many of 'you people' believe in Jesus, well, what will you say
when you get to St. Peter's Gates???

[Kajsa]

33. Boycottfaux, that doesn't seem to matter one bit to

a few of the responders here!

They are soooo convinced that "Cenk is full of shit"
that TO HELL with the animals, the irreplaceable photos
and family heirlooms,the lose of the house,etc.

" this guy isn't hurting".

My God!!!
The Cenk haters are out in full force, here.

FU*K the family- "Cenk is full of shit"
they say.

I have lost all respect for more than one poster here
I previously thought had it together-NOT!

:puke:

[JustAmused]

46. Wonder why?

Because some of us actually read the article, unlike you.

Wow, my ignore list is getting full.

As we say in computer support...RTFM !!!!!!

[Kajsa]

52. You again,

Mr. Privating?

RTFA!
And listen to what Cenk has to say.

Please, PLEASE put me on your ignore list.

[Kajsa]

54. How did you miss all the other posts

here mentioning "privating" ?
There are a bunch here.

Why am I the lucky recipient of your witty charm?

Again, Please with the Ignore list!

[AtheistCrusader]

68. Actually the fire department specifically stated they would go in if there was a human

at risk.

With the slow speed of the fire's progression, I lay the animal deaths at the owner's feet.

[Kajsa]

72. Of course you do.

FDs NEVER put out fires unless the homeowner has paid a fee
for their services now, do they?

And you never,never see a fireman rescuing an animal
from a horrible, painful death.

:sarcasm:

[AtheistCrusader]

5. Hold on now.

Where I live, EMS/Fire/Police comes out of my property taxes. I don't HAVE the option not to pay for the Fire services. (which the homeowner in question knowingly chose) If I don't pay, the state takes my house and auctions it off to pay my unpaid taxes. (Granted I get any proceeds over the value of my house)

So, I don't see this $75 fee instead of property tax thing as a huge issue. Not until I see Cenk get this angry over some family kicked from their home for failure to pay property taxes. It's traumatic to lose your house in a fire in a short period of time like this, but the owner knew and chose not to pay. Losing your house over a period of time because you couldn't pay your property taxes isn't much better. The county sherriff comes and kicks you out and throws your stuff out on the street. Not better.

The thing with the pets sucks, if true. I don't understand why the family couldn't have gotten the pets out, if it 'started' small in two barrels away from the house though. But I assume there will be more info coming. Probably a lot about this story we don't know yet.



Side thought, I am willing to bet any homeowners insurance this guy had is going to get out of it, since he didn't pay the fire service. I would be shocked if they don't find a way.

[Hannah Bell]

11. the homeowner has said his policy will pay for a new home. he's not hurting.

cenk's take is bullshit.

[AtheistCrusader]

13. I agree, but...

Let's see if there's an exception in his fire policy for him not opting into fire protection services.

100 or so years ago, this was common, and I suspect there's an oft-overlooked provision somewhere in the insurance policy. I suspect this is going to be the most expensive $75 that homeowner ever 'saved'.

[Hannah Bell]

15. i think he pays a premium because there's no fire service. he had a fire before.

if the insurance company refuses to pay, what do you bet he'll come begging for someone to "charitably" buy him a new house because those mean firemen wouldn't put out his fire.

[indimuse]

14. I can't KNR this enough!!! Bravo!

KNR!

[PA Democrat]

18. K & R. People defending this need to pay attention.

It took TWO HOURS, let me repeat that TWO HOURS for this fire to spread to the family's house, and even longer to spread to the neighbor's property. If that neighbor hadn't paid, I guess the fire would have continued to spread and burn until it hit a "subscriber's" property. That is totally f'ed up and just plain STUPID.

We know from other reports that there were drought conditions in the area. This could have been a huge disaster requiring the state to step in. But let's teach that homeowner a lesson and potentially put the entire f'ing county at risk. Wow.

[cannondale]

19. Lets apply that "Logic" to Beck

His accountant forgets to pay his insurance. Beck's house is on fire. What do you think happens?

OF COURSE Beck's house is saved. Safety nets for me but not for thee. "But I mailed the check... you never received it."

[baldguy]

20. "The firefighters are just doing what they're told to do."

Isn't that what the Germans said during WWII?

[Douglas Carpenter]

22. kick and recommend!!

[Kajsa]

24. Great example of "privatizing"

public services.

Yeah, that worked out well, didn't it?!?
:sarcasm:

K&R, a thousand times!!

[Name removed]

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[Kajsa]

51. What in the hell

is "Privating" ?

Yes, I did read it, did you?

And you are asking me if I can read.

God!!!!!

[JustAmused]

56. Yes you are absolutely right

Typing mistakes are the same as lack of logic and misuse of facts. Please point to anywhere you found that this fire department is privatized.

And I will put you ignore, but for now you are too much fun to play with.



I used to be disgusted, now I'm
JustAmused

[Kajsa]

73. Logic? Facts?

You claim to have them in your posts?
Where?

What article did you read?

The one on the link stated,

The South Fulton firefighters did show up and managed to save a neighbor's field. The neighbor had paid the fee. But they would provide no heroics for the Cranicks. A local news report shows them climbing back on their trucks, flames still dancing over what was once the family's home.

The event was dubbed "pay for spray" by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann. It's a chilling vision of what could play out in a third world America, where paying taxes isn't enough to cover basic services. Fire protection, it turns out, is a privilege in some communities. On Monday's show, Olbermann railed against the larger implications the incident, calling it "a look now into the America envisioned by the tea party ... just a preview of what would come in a kind of a la carte government."

[ihavenobias]

53. Let's not lose sight of the big picture.

If you're being robbed and assaulted the cops can worry about your unpaid local/state taxes later AFTER they stop the assault/robbery.

And as another poster pointed out, an additional emergency fee can be charged later if the issue is simply money. Besides which the family repeatedly offered to pay (more than $75) when they called 911.

[Kajsa]

57. Very good points, IHNB!

Thank you! :)

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. Cenk, you're full of shit.

There is a community; the city of South Fulton. Those citizens pooled their meager finances to finance their public safety.

The adjacent county has decided that in order to create their libertarian paradise, it's more lucrative to enable encourage their comparatively affluent citizens to exploit the charity of the poor town of South Fulton.

"Grab a hose"? Bullshit. It's not their hose, it's not their firetruck and it's not their own personal liability they assume. All of those things belong to the citizens of South Fulton. It isn't their choice to make.

It is a problem for the whole country, but your entire framing of the issue promulgates the problem; The problem isn't a lack of charity on the part of the mayor / fire department / citizens of South Fulton, the problem is the complete lack of human ethics shown by those running the county.

[MODem75]

60. Then you would be behaving like a libertarian.

"It's ours, you didn't pay for it so why should we help." The right thing to do is always help your fellow man no matter what.

[20score]

29. I'm glad cenk called bullshit on the firefighters. Their actions were criminal and cowardly.

And pointing out that he didn't pay may be true, but it's irrelevant.

There is no excuse for what happened.

[zeemike]

31. Cenk displays the appropriate level of passion for this.

It should make us all mad as hell...
K&R

[julian09]

38. If delinquint on taxes

Do police watch crime happen to that person or throw their kids out of school, blockaid their driveway so they can't use public roads?

[provis99]

37. the South Fulton FD isn't responsible for this homeowner clown.

He's probably a Republican and Teabagger who hates the government. South Fulton isn't responsible for putting out a fire out of their jurisdiction any more than they are responsible for putting out a fire in Memphis or New Jersey.

[Hissyspit]

64. Did you even watch the video?

[bigmonkey]

39. Should the Fulton Fire Dept. just charge a huge fee for this kind of emergency?

Pay the $75 ahead of time, we'll come when called. Don't pay, and call us in an emergency- huge fee, more than enough to cover the costs of the overhead.

Then they can actually put out the fires, which was the point in the first place.

(edit title to at "this")

[thelordofhell]

41. They did.......to this same family........3 years ago.......they never paid

The family is nothing but a bunch of scofflaws. They have money, they own multiple homes in the county, they recieve farm subsidies from 2 states.

[AtheistCrusader]

69. Frankly, they smell like republicans.

[fascisthunter]

40. This IS the Result of Privatization

[thelordofhell]

42. No it's not

It's the result of the County demanding they not have a fire service. It's Ayn Rand government in action. It's a damn shame that it takes a house to burn down to make them realize the error of their ways. But I bet the vote will still be 19-1 to not have a fire department in ther County, because somehow they think it's the outside fire department's fault.

[fascisthunter]

48. that's what I meant by Privatization... that's the agenda isn't it?

take from publicly funded services and give it to private interests. It didn't work out the way these idiots thought it would.

"It's Ayn Rand government in action" - it sure is and it's a failure as most with a brain can figure out.

[humbled_opinion]

43. OK I am a little bit lost...

I understand the scenario and the passion, what I don't understand is that we have a Democratic controlled Congress and a Democrat in the White House and this happened. Isn't this exactly what was supposed to be changed?

[NICO9000]

44. Cenk's best bit ever?

He hits every single point I've thought of after hearing about this travesty. God forbid there was a child in there who burned to death. Think Goldberg and his scumbag ilk would still be defending the status quo here? Sadly, probably so.

Cenk is especially right-on slamming the firefighters themselves. They have a duty to put out fires, period. Fuck this "just following orders" crap. How can they live with themselves?

This country is quickly becoming a nightmare and I really am at wit's end on what to do. I was born in Montreal and have lived my whole life in. So. California, but trying to get dual citizenship is looking better and better with each passing day. I really don't want to stay in a country as men as this one has become.

[democrat0986]

50. Not quite his best, but close to it.

Here's his best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hiRC5ZDTXk

[earcandle]

55. Feudal Lords who decide your fate while you watch them? Or Democracy. You have to use language to

keep it.  And the way you do that is to keep your word.

It is hard.  But doable. 

[earcandle]

58. Here. Have some San Francisco Style Patti Smith from Mr. Hellman's event. It will help you.

Patti Smith in Golden Gate Park (behind a fence, far away, but was able to zoom into her non verbal

Enjoy... Oh and please note: lots and lots of people getting along and aligned just fine.

You can do it too. Tap in.
Another group, on October 10, 2010 will hold a free collective day dedicated to collective thought
and regeneration.

I think this will be a dna moment. Meaning: if you join in you will get the energy that will surge
the biology.. its all biology and physics. Take those two science courses if you have any brains at all.
Take them even if you don't think you have brains. You might discover its a muscle! It grows with use.

Patti can kick butt on inspiration. She models freedom for me.

She says: "be happy, work hard, live well" I totally agree.

[WoodyM]

59. The homeowner had

adequate opportunities to participate at a small cost to him to protect his home against a very unlikely happening. He chose to weight the cost against the probabilities and decided not to participate. He made the decision not to cover his home. The fire fighters responded as the homeowner had decided.

[Hissyspit]

63. Did you even watch the video?

"Sickening."

[AtheistCrusader]

70. Yes, the video is missing a significant quantity of relevant information.

Including that this happened to the homeowner 3 years prior, same result.

[Hissyspit]

71. I know all that stuff. Including city/county fire dept. relationship history.

Cenk is spot on.

[gristy]

62. Beautiful rant. I agree with everything he says.

If my neighbor's house was on fire, I'd be there in a heartbeat with every fire extinguisher I own. Wouldn't matter who he was, whether he said hello to me that morning, or who he voted for last fall.

I'm going to be checking with my local volunteer fire dept (to which I make a voluntary contribution every spring) and see what their policy is.

[crim son]

65. Mixed feelings on this one though not where human lives are involved.

But I do have to wonder what went on in the homeowners' heads when they opted out of fire protection. First, let me say that it is possible I'd do the same thing in their situation and I'd make that decision the same way they did, under the assumption that I wouldn't have to worry about fire. And I might be wrong: this is a fine example of a lesson painfully learned.

It cannot be denied that the folks in question made a choice and the potential consequences of that choice were pretty damned clear; the whole situation brings to mind the conservative argument against public services i.e. those who are most vehemently opposed are the same people who assume they'll never need to apply for public assistance. What is the difference in the situation being discussed, assuming we all understand that most of us never have to think about paying a separate fee for fire service, and assuming that no human beings were trapped inside the house and would perish without the help of the fire department (I cannot imagine a situation where these people would be left to die), and the conservative argument that we are all ultimately personally responsible for the choices we make? And in more liberal terms, the family was asked to pay its fair share and refused. Is there not something wrong with that, again making the assumption that $75 bucks wouldn't put them over the edge financially? Progressives know that social benefits are not free.

As I said, I'm torn but there is something to be said for personal responsibility. Or is there not?

[blackspade]

66. Awesome Rant!

I'm amazed at how hard hearted some 'progressives' are at DU lately.
The man and his neighbor had open checkbooks and were willing to pay whatever needed to be paid right then to have the fire put out.
The FD and South Fulton wanted to make an example of the guy, which is exactly what they did.

[Kajsa]

74. What a volunteer firefighter has to say,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9265731


Thank you,
Thank you, MadHound!

[20score]

75. That was very good. Unfortunately, too late to rec.

[Kajsa]

76. I know, 20score!

I was too late, also.
:(

Thanks!

:) :hi:

[WillyT]

77. HUGE K & R !!!

:kick: