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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 11:49 PM
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Rendlesham Forest UFO - CLASSIFIED Military Tape Release Part 1
 
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Posted on DU: November 06, 2010
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" After 30 years of silence the Rendlesham Forest tapes have been released!

The tape recordings of US military personnel investigating a suspected UFO landing have been kept quiet for 30 years, till now with this military release of the tapes!


Just after Christmas 1980, the airmen from USAF Bentwaters air base went to investigate an event in Rendlesham Forest near Woodbridge, Suffolk.

The tapes are a vivid account of what they found.

It is clear that they thought they were witnessing some type of phenomena, with descriptions of "strange" lights in sky and odd damage to pine trees 15ft to 18ft off the ground.

One of the Americans is heard to say: "I hear very strange sounds of farmers - barnyard animals. They're very, very active, making a lot of noise.

"Straight ahead. There it is again. Straight ahead. What is it? A strange small red light.

"It looks maybe half a mile further ahead. Go back to the edge of the clearing, see if we can get a look at it... the animals have gone quiet now... It is deathly calm."


There are a number of different theories; everything from aliens landing and lights from a lighthouse at nearby Orford to a mishap ,which was covered up.


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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 11:53 PM
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1. News of the World? They would report a bus sighted
at the south pole.
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NYMdaveNYI Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:49 AM
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21. This one’s official, didn’t you read? nt
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:22 AM
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2. Oh boy, it's the tabloids right here on DU.
I don't have to stand in line at the grocery store or anything.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:41 AM
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6. Their secrets are safe because they have trained us to ridicule things they don't want us to know.
For years we have been conditioned, over and over, by the government via the media to ridicule all of the things the government doesn't want us to take seriously. Their disinformation program has worked so well that the very most intelligent people, thinking they are showing off their intelligence and good judgment, are actually playing right into the government's hands by ridiculing, in Pavlovian fashion, the very things they should be most curious about. But since curiosity is punished by peer ridicule, curiosity like that will never be allowed to survive.

(And they ridicule those who point out that they've been had as well, so this post will also be ridiculed in an effort to get me to shut up.)
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:47 AM
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8. You forgot the 'sarcasm' tag.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:52 AM
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30. That's because it's the sort of thing which is both sarcastic and yet MIGHT be true. nt
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:01 AM
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13. No ridicule here, Tater. Ignore the naysayers. eom
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:42 AM
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19. I agree...people are so conditioned to buy into the media it's akin to mind control
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 09:43 AM by Bullet1987
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:35 PM
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51. Uh... I dunno how much "media" you watch but "Close Encounters" and "ET" were blockbusters
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 05:36 PM by jberryhill
And on any given night, you have your pick of "alien encounter" programs on several cable channels.

What "media" are you talking about?

There's a boatload of "media" going on about UFO's all of the time.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:39 PM
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53. Yes, but it's all treated as either fiction or "fringe".
"They" will never allow it to be treated as mainstream, or even as "serious" speculation. No college or university will ever have a course in UFOlogy, even though legitimate physicists might be able to deduce quite a lot from the reported characteristics of such unusual flying objects. However, serious physicists will never permitted to study the phenomenon without destroying their credibility, and these "blockbusters" remain categorized as fiction or stigmatized as the province of the marginally insane.

Scientists, you see, are only permitted to examine acceptable phenomena. Unacceptable phenomena are made taboo by the media brainwashing. But to be fair, the media only does this because they, too, have been brainwashed by whatever government entities don't want us to know anything that they, in their infinite wisdom, have decided we are not prepared to know.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:45 PM
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54. SETI is a real, actual, funded research program

Are you suggesting they are all just goofing off?
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:56 PM
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56. Not at all. Seti is way to "search" with little risk of "finding".
It's the rodeo clown who distracts the bull so the injured cowboy can sneak out unnoticed. It's a way to say "See, we are taking this seriously" (wink, wink). But what happens in Congress when funding for SETI is the subject? "The search for little green men is wasting taxpayer money." More ridicule is heaped on the whole subject. The subject deserves to be taken seriously, but it is not.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:47 PM
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57. And you think the actual astronomers, physicists and engineers are...

...just playing along?

...really, really stupid?

...in on the plan?

This is always the part of conspiracy theories that I find remarkable - the utter stupidity or bad faith required of the relevant research community.

Have you ever worked in an actual scientific research environment of any kind?

I know, I know, the only reason why people get advanced degrees is by demonstrating their unthinking obedience to orthodoxy, and not questioning anything. There really is no original research, and they are all just playing along.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:41 PM
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60. For the record...
No, I don't believe in UFOs or conspiracy theories. I'm just exploring possibilities. I like to be open-minded without committing to EITHER point of view. (Which is why I am neither and atheist nor a believer).

And also for the record, yes, I have have worked in a scientific research environment. Having only an MS I did a lot of gopher work for the "real" scientists with PhDs, but I am familiar with how it all works.

And to play devils advocate one last time, Even if I DID believe in conspiracy theories that wouldn't mean I believe that researchers are "playing along." It could be the case that they are dead serious about their work, but are being "played" by people further up the chain of command.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:56 AM
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26. Yes, an intelligent race from afar, can't beat government secrecy

Because the aliens can travel across the galaxy, but are too stupid to demonstrate their existence, because the power of bureaucracy is too much for them to overcome.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:51 AM
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29. Another conclusion is possible...
If they (they hypothetical aliens) wanted us to know, we would know. Therefore they don't want us to know.

Assuming, of course, that they even exist.

The only truth we can ever be sure of is that as the lowest peons on the totem pole we will NEVER know any more than the powers that be want us to know. (And that includes the government powers-that-be and any and all (hypothetical) alien powers=that-be.)
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:21 PM
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40. So if they land in my backyard, the government will keep me from knowing that?
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 02:23 PM by jberryhill
Obviously, these people need a better PR consultant.

There's some guy who has a cat that can flush a toilet, and his cat has gotten millions of views on YouTube.

Meanwhile, these sophisticated aliens are at the mercy of a joint conspiracy of all of the governments of the world to cover up their existence.

On edit: it's more than one cat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49jKeGyUCJE
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 04:38 PM
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45. If it landed in your back yard, and you took videos...
Your videos would be called fakes and you would be called a crackpot, and the media would just ignore you.

So, no, they can't keep YOU from knowing what happened to you, but they can keep the rest of the world from believing you.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:02 PM
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47. I see
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 05:15 PM by jberryhill
So, let me make sure I understand.

You think it will make a difference to me whether anyone else believes me.

You also think all of the governments of the world are cooperating to make sure that nobody believes the few people who have been visited by aliens in UFO's.

Can you explain what difference it makes if "the rest of the world" believes me or not?

Clearly these aliens, which have been visiting regularly, and which the governments are able to prevent people from believing, don't have much of an impact on anything.

In other words, let's suppose that the governments aren't covering this up, any more than they could cover up the discovery of a new species of beetle that some biologist wandered off and found in the jungle somewhere (and, as we all know, scientists have a severe lack of curiosity about anything, since they go off and find new beetles while, all the while, we have these space creatures visiting).

Let's take it as given that space creatures landed in England, broke some trees, and flew off.

Can you explain to me what, if anything, changes as a consequence of people believing that happened or not?


I mean, it must be something pretty dramatic, given the effort invested in the coverup. Just what is it that these aliens are doing here on earth that nobody seems to be noticing?

I believe a lot of things the rest of the world does not believe. So what? I believe my wife is the most wonderful woman in the world. I really don't WANT the rest of the world to believe that, as I'm sure it would become a pretty obnoxious situation.

Explain to me why I would care if anyone believed me, if aliens landed in my backyard.

And, please, don't use the "government authority would be questioned by a belief that space aliens can fly across the galaxy and break trees". Lumberjacks can break trees too. Somehow life goes on with the knowledge of this spectacular tree-breaking ability.

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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:52 PM
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55. Why should you care?
I don't know. Personally, I don't really care if anyone believes me or not either.

And for the record, I seriously doubt that aliens are visiting the Earth, for the reasons you stated as well as many others.

But, in my role as devil's advocate, I'm pointing out the "what if", just because it's an interesting possibility to ponder.

Does it matter? Maybe, if the "aliens" are manipulating us in some subtle way either to our benefit or to our detriment, or just for their own edification and amusement.

On the other hand, a bunch of Republicans just got elected to public office. Does that matter to me? Personally? To be perfectly honest, looking back over that last 55 years during which I have been politically aware (I was 10 years old in 1955 when I first paid attention to the fact that Eisenhower was president), in those 55 years I can't honestly say that it has made one single tiny bit of difference to me personally whether a Democrat or a Republican was in office, or who controlled the House or Senate, or whether McCarthy was calling every other Hollywood personality a Commie, or whether we were in Vietnam, or Iraq, or whether we invade Iran. None of that, not one tiny iota, made any difference at all to me personally. Even Kennedy's assassination only meant I had to stand a few extra hours of guard duty at the Air Force base were I was stationed in Texas. So even that didn't really make a difference in my life, personally. So does that mean none of it mattered?

For something as meaningless and pointless as politics we all spend a lot of time here arguing about stuff that doesn't matter.

Maybe none of it does matter. Maybe all of it matters. Maybe each one of us has to decide for themselves what matters and what doesn't.

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:54 PM
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58. Good points
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 10:59 PM by jberryhill
But if the aliens don't have a political agenda, I don't know why folks get upset about a perceived distaste for discussing UFO's on what is ostensibly a democratic oriented internet forum. It's not like DU is the only show in town.

I'd like to know why I have a growing collection of unmatched socks. Where in Hell are my socks going? I've got half a laundry basket of them now, and I can't figure it out. A lot of my good socks are shrinking, too. But I don't go to Huffington Post to find out.

But I think you missed my point about YouTube. The aliens ought to be able to figure out WiFi, land near a Starbucks, and upload their own stuff. If they included some cat videos and skateboard stunts, no government could stop them.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:35 PM
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59. Also good points.
And for the record (again) I don't really think aliens are visiting our planet.

But if they are, that might just explain your missing sock situation... ;)

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:43 PM
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61. It's quite obvious really

1. I can't explain UFOs

2. I can't explain my missing socks

Therefore, these two things must be connected.

You see that a lot, e.g. crop circles (before the perps fessed up), ancient megaliths, etc.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #45
62. If something landed in my backyard, I'd have it in HD from multiple angles.
I mean, really.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:30 PM
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35. Stupid or smart? They once walked amongst us, however they
apparently wised up and went incognito. More power to them.

http://www.history.com/topics/history-of-ufos
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #35
63. Same can be said of any 'god'.
Jesus, etc.

Funny, not around anymore.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 07:56 AM
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64. Yeah, funny like old baloney.... too bad for us.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:59 AM
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27. Lol /nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:28 AM
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3. Those discounting this should listen to the officers who were there relaying
what happened. Very credible sounding. Don't automatically dismiss it because of the 'tabloid' aspect. Oftentimes those are the only ones who will print such stories.

I personally don't have a dog in this race -- if we have had visitors, they haven't affected my life at all so I'm not too interested, but you shouldn't just blow it off because of the source. Think Enquirer/John Edwards. :shrug:

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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:31 AM
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4. Thank you.
Now CNN iREPORT is carrying the story. The audio tape is what it is, a piece of history.

<http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-515353?ref=feeds%2Flatest>
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:39 AM
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5. Some really interesting stuff is coming out of the records they're releasing.
I love hearing about it and listening to people who were involved first hand. But as I said, they haven't landed in my backyard :7 so I'm not invested in this at all. But it's so intriguing to hear about! :hi:
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:43 AM
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7. I agree. By the sound of their voices, they seemed pretty edgy as to what they were
observing and reporting back to say the least.

:hi:
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:49 AM
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9. You want me to fake up a recording like that about a 50 foot marshmallow man?
I have some old reel to reel equipment I could even use.

It's meaningless. Let's see some physical evidence.
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NYMdaveNYI Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:47 AM
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20. THE LEGENDARY 50FT TALL MARSHMALLOWMEN!!! ZOMFG
MAYBE OBAMA IS CARRYING A FLEET OF THEM ON THOSE 34 NAVY WARSHIPS THAT COST $200,000,000 A DAY!!!!
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Charleston Chew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #9
31. you're awsome, but...
You should probably stop visiting this thread because it seems to upset you.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:56 AM
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11. I've heard interviews with military personnel/officers regarding various
happenings, pretty damn believable -- and fascinating.

Haven't listened to this yet, but I'm looking forward to it -- thanks!!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:29 AM
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18. I've heard interviews with military personnel/officers regarding various
Eye witnesses are very unreliable, y'know.

They did an experiment where folks were to look at a bunch of people in a circle throwing a ball to each other. The people watching the video were to note who got the ball when. Then they were asked questions about the tape. One question was "Did you see the gorilla?" No one did. So they played the tape for them again and sure enough, a guy in a gorilla suit walks out...stands in the middle of the group throwing the ball, and waves to the camera. No one saw him.


So.... eye witness reports are vague at best.


Add to that the difficulty of space travel, and the distances that must be traversed and you get.... something not to worry about at all.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:24 AM
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22. Ha! I remember that gorilla one! I once heard a guy on the radio talking about how
he was dazzling guests at dinner with his sighting of Jackie Kennedy in New York. He was across the street and down and my God! She was waving at him! He looks around, turns back, smiles, and they continue waving at each other! Of course the cab she was hailing pulls up and off she goes.

After dinner his wife said "You did a good job telling that story. But you weren't there -- that happened to me." He's going No! I can see it so clearly in my mind's eye! You're crazy. I can even tell you what the buttons looked like on her coat!

Turns out, of course, that he WASN'T there, had just heard the story from his wife so many times he'd placed himself in the mental image, and even if he WAS there, he would have been too far away to even see the buttons on her coat!

I've argued w/friends about who did something or another. I'm convinced it's me, s/he is convinced it's him/her. In each of our mind's eyes, we're seeing ourselves doing whatever.

Isn't that fascinating? The mind is so powerful!

I recall hearing about a study on people who exhibit stigmata. (Interestingly, those who picture the nails on the cross going through Jesus's hands, bleed from their hands, those who think it was his wrists, bleed from their wrists.) So after this exhaustive study they make the pronouncement that it was "just all in their minds". I'm screaming -- Just all in their minds?!?!? Don't you think that if our minds are powerful enough to make us spurt physical blood from selected areas of the body that should be something we study??

Anyway, it's all fascinating stuff. :hi:
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. I think the gorilla tape proves just the opposite....
When told to concentrate on something else, we won't see what is happening right in front of our eyes. As another poster here said, "For years we have been conditioned, over and over, by the government via the media to ridicule all of the things the government doesn't want us to take seriously."

And your statement: "Add to that the difficulty of space travel, and the distances that must be traversed and you get.... something not to worry about at all."

If you look only at what we on earth have accomplished in space travel, it's a narrow, arrogant vision. The earth is not the center of everything that exists. If you only look at the night sky and open your mind, you would realize that there is so much more out there, thus so much possibility. Just because you can't see it, or have no tangible proof of it's existence does not mean it doesn't exist.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #23
46. Logical fallacy. No one claimed we are certainly alone in the universe.
The two claims at hand:

That other species have visited the earth.
vs.
There is no evidence other species have visited the earth.

If the latter is accurate, that does not preclude other intelligent life in the universe, with or without the capacity for space travel.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. And for every 'Edwards' story the Enquirer runs
How many are pure unadulterated, manufactured out of whole cloth, garbage?

I bet the ratio is impressive.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. Just curious -- why are you so determined to ridicule and insult other DUers for their
interest in this? Why is it even worth your time if you think it's so ridiculous? It appears you're much wiser than the others on this thread, so I'm hoping to learn from your response. Thanks.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. I get this shit all day long
along with flouride in the water, and King County's corrupt voting, and a dozen other damn stupid conspiracy theories from teabagging, nutjob co-workers.

So yeah, I bristle at the sight of it here.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. Well you DO have my sympathy having to work with tabag nutjobs -- King
County didn't used to be like that at all - I swear we were all liberals. Talk about an alien invasion!

The diff is, here you don't have to click on the thread. There's a lot of stuff here that gets me riled and that I don't agree with or believe in, but so much good stuff, too, so I try not to waste my time in the pits. My blood pressure thanks me. :7



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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #15
25. I agree, Gateley. There's something strange about some individuals here
who seem almost anxiety-ridden over these reports, to the point that they simply MUST belittle anyone's narrative as to what they have seen. I tend to think it has something to do with an existential threat to one's world-view.

The phrase that comes to mind is Shakespeare's "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Another apt quote is, "There are more things in heaven and earth than are dream't of in your philosophy, Horatio".

As for myself, I can't say with certainty what UFO's are. But there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of reports of sightings from all over the world. Undoubtedly, some are hoaxes, but ALL those people simply can't be crazy or delusional.

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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #25
36. I never said they were crazy or delusional. You might want to read 'Abducted, How People come to bel
ieve they were abducted by aliens'

http://www.amazon.com/Abducted-People-Believe-Kidnapped-Aliens/dp/067402401X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1289068742&sr=8-3

Excellent look into how the mind forms and recalls memories, and a very empathetic view into why people believe in this class of strange anomalies.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #25
39. there are hundreds of thousands of folks
who vote for conservatives and tea party folks, and those people are all crazy and delusional.

100s of thousands of people make up less than 1/10th of 1/10th of 1/10th or 1/10th of all of the people on the Earth, so yes all of those folks can be crazy or delusional or quick to rush to supernatural explanations or simply mistaken.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. As you wish. n/t
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:29 PM
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50. You mean the people who keep going on about how I must believe them?
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 05:30 PM by jberryhill
I don't believe aliens are visiting in UFO's.

I also don't believe that Joseph Smith uncovered holy writings on metal plates in upstate New York.

I simply don't believe things for the mere fact that others get upset that I don't believe the same things they do.

That's not a symptom of "anxiety". I'm not bothered by the fact that an entire religion is premised on the belief of millions of people that an angel buried holy writings on metal plates outside of Palmyra, New York.

Those millions of people include Senator Harry Reid. It doesn't bother me to disagree with him on that point.

But if you want to start a thread on DU insisting that there's something wrong with me because I am not a Mormon, then you go right ahead and see how well that is received here.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:15 PM
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42. yes, yes you should blow it off
because there is no evidence.

"credible-sounding" is nice and all but it means zero in proving something extraordinary. All it proves is that they saw something they couldn't explain, and there are quite a few possibilities between that and alien visitation.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:12 AM
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16. The voice of reason.
Admiral of The Fleet, The Lord Hill-Norton, a former Chief of the Defense Staff and Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, commenting on the case said, “It seems to me that something physical took place. I have no doubt that something landed. Either large numbers of people were hallucinating, and for an American Air Force nuclear base this is extremely dangerous, or what they say happened did happen, and in either of those circumstances there can only be one answer, and that is that it was of extreme defense interest”. :think:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:40 AM
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24. something physical took place.
Well, no one doubts THAT.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:19 AM
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17. Is it still a UFO if it lands?
Who cares..... :eyes:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:32 AM
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28. it'd be a uso then!
until it's identified. Unidentified sitting object? lololol.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:55 PM
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32. I too wish there could be rational discussions on this subject,
and have seen how the best evidence we have gets automatically put into the same category as the frauds. Oh it is loads of fun to ridicule the UFO phenomena, but to those who are witnesses, it is like being shunned by society. If you have seen something and you are a pilot or military, your credibility is at risk. Even amongst some friends or family who pompously gaffaw at disclosure, or here on DU. The discussion is effectively, repeatedly --and may I add EFFECTIVELY shut down.

The same thing happens with any other unusual phenomena, people kill the messenger. look at Dennis Kucinich, one of the most ethical and honest people in government, but because he witnessed something he himself called unidentified, the RW went into frothy overdrive, and it was heartbreaking to see people on the left contribute to the feeding frenzy. How dare anyone put rational eyewitnesses in the same category as people who have had hallucinations? Human beings are by nature predators, and original people are such easy targets.

It was unfortunate that Dennis Kucinich was quoted as seeing a UFO in a book by Shirley MacLaine, since she years ago walked off the map of the consensus into the taboo strange world of artists and philosophers, of visionaries and spiritual explorers. The shunning of the most imaginative, the most artistic, the most original people in our society hurts us all. It hurts me. You will never hear of the most unusual fantastic stories I have to tell, because I do not wish to enter the fray.

Having unusual experiences can be traumatic, but to be shunned for it is yet another form of trauma.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:18 PM
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33. Jack-know-it-alls of this world continue to entertain themselves with the sound
of their own drivel.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:28 PM
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34. Yes, by ridiculing that which we do not understand,
is only another form of willfull ignorance. People at the edges of society have to make a decision at some point, to be shamed into conforming to the consensus, or to be true to oneself.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:24 PM
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49. I don't know what UFO's are - you are the one who claims to know

The "know-it-alls" are the ones who keep wanting their pet explanations to be uncritically accepted by others.

I am an "I don't know it all", and it doesn't incline me to simply accept your explanation for anything, as some sort of default.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:29 PM
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66. What I am saying is that the discussions get shut down
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 04:37 PM by felix_numinous
before any critical evaluation can even get started. I do not claim to know anything, I just make observations.

I was raised in a family of scientists, ironically, so I strive to avoid my ego getting in the way of unbiased observations. I am the first to admit and welcome the exposures of fraud and delusion.

You have to have a genuine interest in order to be patient to wade through all of the crap out there, that is for sure. I am so frustrated by all the wing nuts out there who obstruct rational discussions in this country. Thankfully many other countries do not have as much of a problem with this.

Hey I responded in the wrong place, but I think I will leave this post intact :)
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:51 PM
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37. +1
I mentioned something here once, and I won't again. I was told what I saw was irrational. Screw it, I won't make that mistake again.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:17 PM
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65. I don't know what you mentioned. I can only infer what you said. My thoughts...
DU is not the place to have a reasonable discussion about UFO's. There are people here who only want to cloud the subject by bringing up tangential issues.

I will say again, as I said upthread, that I sense some anxiety in their responses. I think it threatens their view about how the world works, and they can't deal with that. And I mean no ridicule by that statement. It simply is what it is.

If you haven't already, you might want to Google "NUFORC" and look at their database. "Nuff said on that.

Re-reading this thread I notice that those who want to say this is all "bunk and hokum" put an extraordinary amount of emphasis on "aliens landing" and such, when that is really an outlier. If you went through a database of reports you would be hard-pressed to find ones that describe interaction with aliens, although there are some, I'm sure.

But talk about "aliens" scares some people, and so they're more inclined to throw out the entire concept of UFO's. Which might be the whole point. Who knows?

Without doubt, there are some sort of phenomena out there, "craft" if you will, that do not obey the laws of physics as we know them. Hundreds of thousands of people have reported such observations. I don't know what they are, but if I were to speculate, I'd say they're probably U.S. Military. And even if they were to turn out to be aliens, I think (hopefully) I'd say, "Cool!.
That's probably because I'm not wedded to the commonly accepted religious view of the universe, and that I do believe, as I've posted elsewhere, "There are more things in heaven and earth than are dream't of in your philosophy, Horatio" (Hamlet).

So, whatever it was that you saw, don't be swayed by the naysayers. You are not alone.









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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:30 PM
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41. There is simply not any public investigation
of any credible stories because countless sightings of unusual phenomena are simply ours. But many phenomena seem far advanced to anything we could possibly have.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:20 PM
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48. Hey, there's a bunch of fantastic stories in the Bible, too

There's no shortage of people who, for whatever reason, want me to believe unusual things.

If you had the Virgin Mary show up and talk to you, like she apparently does to all sorts of folks, that's great. But I'm still not interested in whatever it is she had to say, and it is not some kind of personal put-down that I do not believe whatever fantastic thing someone wants me to believe.

Getting huffy doesn't make me want to believe whatever it is you want me to believe either.

When those spiffy young Mormons show up at my door to tell me about how they personally know the Book of Mormon is true, it is not incumbent on me to give them a sliver of credence.

Joseph Smith was an imaginative, artistic and original guy. I am not hurting you, him, or anyone else by not becoming a Mormon.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:33 PM
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67. deleted
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 06:11 PM by felix_numinous



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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:12 PM
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38. "and now, it is blinking..."
rhythmically on the right side...and now, the lights are moving to the right...

And now, I see a pattern of lights, first red, and then after about 30 seconds, green....then some time passes, and then yellow, and then quickly to red.

This if fascinating, clearly an alien presence!"
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:41 PM
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43. News of the Rendlesham Forest UFO tapes are all over the web!
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