Pastor Terry Jones 'I Have No Regrets' About Burning Quran Said Today After UN Compound Attacked

[WhoIsNumberNone]

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This idiot has just bought us another 5 years in Afghanistan with his little stunt. After everyone- from the President on down- told him not to do it. And this douchebag will continue to walk free while Bradley Manning rots in jail.

[tabatha]

1. He is an egocentric nutcase like the Westboro Church people.

[Karenina]

7. Who is he? Things that make ya go hmmm...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x794849

[AtheistCrusader]

2. As much as I hate his message...

It is a free country. Sucks, but any reprisal I can see used against him, could be used against me at a protest or whatever.

[PatrynXX]

3. He's free to do anything he wants however

Inciting a Riot is illegal. And I think he did do just that. Wrong country but that is actually a law. Not that we enforce it. Otherwise Rush would be in Jail a long time ago.

It's not something a thinking Christian would do. So as he's a nut he just threw the first stone. So he must be without sin.

[customerserviceguy]

4. He didn't incite one in the place where he did the deed

While I revile him as a fundie asshat, the overreaction to what he did is even worse.

In a strange way, the jihadis who killed over this action served to make his point. I recall a lot of christians being upset over "Piss Christ", a purported 'artwork' that featured a crucifix submerged in urine. But I don't recall any christians actually killing or injuring people over it.

[Hissyspit]

5. "A purported 'artwork'"

It's not a purported artwork. It is an artwork.

[customerserviceguy]

6. I thought you actually had to make some effort

to create an artwork. Putting an object in a vat of fluid doesn't seem like a lot of effort to me. But you go ahead and define art any old way you want to.

[liberation]

21. You mean that art is a subjective concept

...whaaaaaa?

[customerserviceguy]

33. Just labeling something art

doesn't make it art. If the opposite were true, any form of human expression, no matter how meaningless, and devoid of artistic effort, would be considered art.

I hold true artists (even those whose work I don't 'get') in higher esteem than to denigrate their efforts by accepting that everything that is called art is regarded as such.

[Hissyspit]

37. First off, art is just a word embodying a concept. We can adjust it's used based on our

Understandings of the concept. Second off, I didn't make the argument that anything is art.

[Hissyspit]

27. No, it's what it is about and not how much "effort" went into it.

You are wrong. And, yes, "effort" went into it, anyway.

And I'm not defining it any ol' way. I'm defining it based in a life time of study of aesthetic express and the facts and history surrounding it. And, no, it is NOT purely subjective. It is plenty objective. Whether you think it is "good" art or you like it or not is besides the issue of whether it is art or not.

[DissedByBush]

29. I always thought it took talent to make art

Dunking a plastic crucifix in a glass of urine took no talent whatsoever.

BUT...

Now take Mapplethorpe and his famous whip self portrait.

Offensive to many, I don't really like it (I am otherwise a Mapplethorpe fan), but that photo and its composition took talent to create.

Back to Piss Christ, the exhibited work wasn't the plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of urine, but a very interesting photograph taken of it.

There was talent in the photograph, the angle, the lighting, the saturation, etc.

[customerserviceguy]

32. Thank you

Mapplethorpe's art, while it offended many, and left others (myself included) puzzled, at least required some talent.

In any case, my original point about "Piss Christ" is true, no christians killed innocent parties because it existed.

[Hissyspit]

36. Hunh?

Serrano's Piss Christ was a photograph of an arranged and conceptualized subject matter. Mapplethorpe's work was a photograph of an arranged and conceptualized subject matter. Both men are/were professsional photographers. Both artworks are photographs. Both works have beautiful aesthetic qualities.

I wasn't addressing your point that Piss Christ didn't get people killed. I was addressing your statement that it was a purported artwork. (although, if memory serves me correctly, the photograph was attacked in a gallery and Serrano received death threats, but I'd have to check.)
People used to say photography isn't art because all you do is push a button! (False)

[Hissyspit]

35. Hunh?

That's my point. The photograph is art. Putting the crucifix in the urine was part of the process of creating the photograph. Piss Christ IS a photograph. Serrano is a photographer. Artworks do take talent. There are different kinds of talent. It took conceptual effort and conceptualizing in visual language is a skill. It was part of the meaning in the work.

[spedtr90]

11. legal, but immoral

He was legally free to burn the Koran. Morally, when the response of some Muslims was never in doubt, he had a responsiblity to protect innocent people and stand down. God will judge him.

[JTFrog]

8. Wish folks would quit giving this douchebag airtime. n/t

[spedtr90]

9. Meida's coverage of idiots has consequences

Chuck's first words, "..that Florida pastor that we all probably paid too much attention to" translate into a pathetic "Oops!".

Who made this a big story from the start? From the beginning the threat was a huge story - why?
Stupid choices. This nut, Joe the plumber, every word (any) Palin says, Donald Trump's birther crap......the media makes stupid choices and can't let go. I miss the days of Cronkite.

[Diclotican]

10. WhoIsNumberNone

WhoIsNumberNone

He is living in a free country, where you can express yourself in most ways...

But, it was not smart do do it, this way.. he "could" have been doing it many other ways, than burning a koran, who he KNOW would end up in anger in the muslim world... And it did.. In fact, one of them was a norwigian woman, who was one of the first to ever qualify for the F16 fighting Falcon... She was in Afghanistan to try to stabilize the country. And ended up dead.. Becouse this Stupid Pastor desided it was a smart move to burn a Koran... He know it was not a smart move, and he KNOW it would end in risk for the soldiers in Afghanistan and other parts where "WE" are at war..

This is just a stupid move.... And he should be hold accontable for it in the end....

Diclotican

[spicegal]

12. So glad he has no regrets about having the blood of

innocents on his hands. What a total idiot and religious extremist who unsurprisingly finds justification for his heinous behavior from religious scripture. He's no different from the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or any other religious extremists who use "God" to justify violence. Thing is, you can never convince religious zealots they're wrong because they actually believe "God" is on their side.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. He has no blood on his hands

He has killed no one and to hold him responsible for the act of zealots in another country is not morally or legally supportable.

All that said, he is a fundie asshat.

[sulphurdunn]

18. That's why he won't be prosecuted.

He still has blood on his hands.

[liberation]

19. "morally" obviously does not mean what you think it does.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

28. "Adults with free will" must not mean what I think it does either

While he is indeed an fundie asshat, to hold him accountable legally or morally for those targeted and killed intentionally by others is unsupportable in any rational framework.

[dotymed]

13. Isn't this the "preacher" that

President Obama invited to give an address at one of his earliest functions as President? I could be wrong....

[lobodons]

14. Just because you have the right to do something

Doesn't make it right to do it. Isn't this what they were saying about building the Islamic community center in New York City? Seems like they are being kind of hypocritical.

[LaloBorges]

16. This can be categorized as pre-meditated...or

"In any event, if the law can find an intent to kill when the defendant never had such an intent, even where the defendant specifically did not want to kill, surely, in a case of first impression, a court should have little difficulty finding an intent to kill in those situations where the defendant intentionally commits an act that he knows will kill people."

This is how Charles Manson ended up in jail.

This guy knew that his actions would bring the type of response that we see now, every one knew it and he was warned about it by the media and other people. He definitely knew what he was doing and he knew the consequences.

[liberation]

22. It is much harder to establish a direct link between this jackass and those ignorant extremists

that did the killing, than it was to do with Manson and his people.

There would be very difficult, if not impossible to establish a criminal case. A civil suit however...

[Turborama]

17. Despite the badly worded & misrepresentative title, this was a very good analysis & worth watching

Thanks for posting.

K&R

[liberation]

20. True this is a "free" country and he has all the right in the world to incite violence

the families of the victims are also "free" to sue his ass for damages. In the end, attention whores like this sociopath only feel hits to their pockets anyways since they have no sense of shame, much less empathy.

The pastor did nothing criminal, he has the right to exercise his free speech. Whether his free speech was "free" of consequences will probably have to be settled with a civil suit. Now that I think about it, maybe the families of Iraqis or US military killed in the past 8 years could sue Bush et al with a big civil suit for damages induced by the false statements which led to war.

[johnfromokc]

23. To nobody in particular.......

Just some observations. Terry Jones is indeed an asshat as others have pointed out. But it is as if the fanatics in Afghanistan are being given a pass. This issue recieved little attention until Hamid Karzai incited local Afghan imams to stir up these riots. This is NOT an uprising of rank and file everyday Muslims; this is a politically motivated issue inlfamed by the Taliban.

Fareed Zakaria points out facts many have overlooked from media coverage:

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/03/fareeds-take-quran-firestorm/

[gtar100]

24. He now has blood on his hands.

And yet I'm sure he's expecting a parade in his honor when he gets to heaven.

[timdog44]

25. Pastor Jones

I am the son of a preacher man. My Dad was a Presbyterian minister. As he got older he began to believe that all paths would lead to God. Although I don't practice any religion, what my Dad did and said and thought stuck with me. For instance, there are the 10 commandments, but Jesus said, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40). What this Terry Jones did is not any of these. He has exposed himself as a non-Christian. He has exposed himself as a non anything. He has exposed himself as a hateful, narrow minded hack. What he did, did not cause the riots in Muslim countries, but was just a catalyst to the riots due to the un-Christian acts that we have perpetrated on these mostly God fearing and living people. People who are trying to get by just as any of us are trying to get by. The difference is, we are not being shot at, and bombed, and droned and having our innocents killed and maimed. People can be pushed only so far before they react. This thoughtless hateful, and I won't even call him a preacher because that would equate him to closely to my Dad, man put the last straw in place. I'd like to say I hate him, but that would dishonor my Dad. I would like to say "he'll get his" but God forgives every man when the time comes. This man can only be an example of what not to be. And I am trying hard not to be like him, and hate him for what he did.

[sabrina 1]

30. Welcome to DU, timedog44, your dad sounds like a good man

I don't think you have to worry about being like Jones, :-)

[RayStar]

26. He should travel to the desert across the big pond

He knows he can get away with almost anything in this country with no regard to the safety of others. He would never ever do nor say anything negative against the Islam religion if he were in an Arabic country.

If he wants to go, I will pay for the ONE-WAY TICKET!

[sabrina 1]

31. I would donate to that cause. But he won't go, he's the type

who puts other people's lives in danger, not his own. And he plans to endanger even more lives.

[sabrina 1]

34. "This idiot has just bought us another 5 years in Afghanistan with his little stunt."

Maybe that was the goal? If I were a conspiracy theorist :tinfoil: I would be thinking that the radical extremists who are guilty of the murders there, and the Imams who incited the people, and Terry Jones were all working together to make sure that NATO forces cannot leave.

The President was so prescient in that clip. He told him 'if you do this, people, troops may be hurt by some very bad people in Pakistan or Afghanistan'.

The president even spoke as the CIC of the armed forces, to let him know how deeply concerned he was about the danger to the troops his (Jones') actions posed. And Gates and Petraeas told him also.

I think he can be prosecuted. We'll see, but he definitely fits the 'national security risk' category. When your president tells you are going to damage our national security if you continue to behave this way, is it not a form of treason to ignore him? And if not then, now that it turns out the president was right, if he does it again, isn't that a deliberate attack on National Security?