man facing 75 years for recording ...

[bluebuzzard]

Run time: 07:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5AMN33aQYo   Posted on YouTube: August 30, 2011 By YouTube Member: MrGlasgowTruther4U Views on YouTube: 303   Posted on DU: August 31, 2011 By DU Member: bluebuzzard Views on DU: 6341

 

[Le Taz Hot]

1. Recording police making arrests.

[PonyJon]

11. So "average man" is finally waking up to nazi police state America! nt

[reggie the dog]

2. if you cannot shoot video, just shoot the abusive cops

75 years for recording is less than you risk for murder so why shoot video when you can just shoot a gun.

[Mumblefratz]

5. Actually if you listen carefully ...

this report only mentions that recording *audio* of the police is against the law in Illinois and that if you recorded video without audio then that would not be against the law. Clearly this is the case if this is merely an interpretation of old wiretap laws.

That doesn't mean that it's the same in all states that have these laws but at least from the information given in this report that's what you have to conclude about the Illinois law.

Of course I think that police departments should welcome such recordings since if they've done nothing wrong a recording would only bolster their claims and if someone has done something wrong then it helps get rid of a dirty cop. But I guess it's human nature to protect your own even if your own is doing something wrong.

[reggie the dog]

7. in chicago lots of cops are in gangs too and dont want audio

of all the drug and gun dealing they do, cops in chicago can get you the best cocaine, the best heroin, the best street guns and at the best prices, i have seen it first hand

[dotymed]

9. Not just in Chicago.

When I was younger (80's) it was well known that the "cops" had the best dope. They confiscated it and many of them loved to party. They would also use it to coerce sex and who knows what else.

We had friends we had grown up with who became policeman, the real party usually began after they came. They had the best dope and could always get you stolen merchandise cheap.

[EnviroBat]

33. We knew a Cleveland Cop exactly like that.

This clown lived right across the street from us. He always had confiscated stereos and electronics. He had no problem letting us know how corrupt he was. He was proud of it.

[WDIM]

17. That law is against the law

We always have the right to witness and record our law enforcement officers doing their job.
If the court doesn't recognize natural rights and needs the constitution.
It is a violation of freedom of press or media. If the man was publishing his videos even online he is part of the press or media.
So basically that would be saying that news reporters can't record the officers.

Why doesn't Chicago news bust this stuff like cops in gangs? Where are the investigative reporters??

[tblue37]

28. Didn't a federal court just rule on such a case--in favor of

citizens' right to record and disseminate evidence about the way government and police authority is wielded.

[newfie11]

3. So we have BECOME Russia and China. What next? n/t

[reggie the dog]

4. i am from chicago and i know why this law exists

many chicago police officers are in gangs too. i saw a chicago cop in uniform who was a BGD drop off a kilo of cocaine to his allied SD gang, he bragged that he just stole it from the latin kings. he gave the gang 10 hours to get his money plus gave us a pound of weed for free so we boiled up the crack, the shorties (10 to 12 year olds) went and sold the crack and the cop, still in uniform, picked up thousands of dollars in cash at the end of his shift, you cannot expect the cops to want videos of that kind of shit!

[Dennis Donovan]

6. HIghly recommended!

[dotymed]

8. Don't these same officers have recording devices

mounted on their vehicles to record arrests (which they know how to avoid)? Can the arrested citizens press charges if the police record them? This is just to enable a police state. We have no rights.

[iamthebandfanman]

13. in our state

they can turn them off. even when the lights are turned on.

[99th_Monkey]

31. It's "legal" for cops to record citizens, just not the other way around.

it said that in the video, as one of the many sad ironies in play.

[JJW]

10. Everyone incorporate yourself

Corporation, get all a person's rights and never get sent to jail. Corporation's CEOs are the worst criminals. They get paid to be criminals.

Nothing happens if a corporation's security camera video tape and audio record a cop. There is no justice when everyone is not equal under the law.

What are you doing today, to take back your country, stolen by greedy criminal corporations, political scumbags, and unethical justices?

[iamthebandfanman]

12. IM assuming all media outletts get permission ?

to show police in video at every crime scene they report on?

if not, terrible doudle standard.

that means news agency are guilty of it every time they record a wreck being investigated or any other crime being investigated when they do on scene reports.

[freedom fighter jh]

29. Yes, if not, double standard

And if so, violation of constitutional right to a free press.

The press if truly free only if you don't have to be a member of the MSM to be considered press. Recording police action and posting it on YouTube has got to be protected by the First Amendment.

[november3rd]

14. Protect police

These statutes that are rigged to "protect police" from public scrutiny and criminal prosecution are going to boomerang on them and have the opposite effect. People are going to mistrust and dislike the police if cops are seen as using shield laws to engage in illegal behavior without accountability.

Remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastille_Day">what happened on the 14th of July, 1789.

[20score]

15. Here is the prosecutor's info:

STATE'S ATTORNEY (R) THOMAS R. WISEMAN 618-546-1505
4-YR TERM Crawford County Courthouse
2008-2012 105 Douglas St
Robinson IL 62454

They won't tell me if the criminal in question pulled off a secret genocide in Indiana.

[reggie the dog]

16. bitch hung up on me once i said i wasnt happy with the 75 years

for filming the cop, 10 seconds before they hung up; i hate pigs

[99th_Monkey]

32. By the time I called, the receptionist had her lines of BS prepared.

Something about "you'll need to put your concerns in writing and mail it to our office" ... and ... "Oh that report is inaccurate, there is no 75 year sentence being considered" ... blah blah.

[xocet]

18. Here is why they prefer not to be recorded (possibly NSFW):

http://965tic.radio.com/2011/08/31/officer-caught-on-camera-having-sex-on-car-photo-video-bert-lopez/

The DU thread for this is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4980137

[Xicano]

19. So what about these videos then?

If the law is the law, then, why are not all these police videos (with audio) not landing the police who recorded them in jail for 75 years? Here is just one example of thousands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exn8yVcnt1o

Also, what about "freedom of the press"? Doesn't the constitution trump all other law?

I'm just saying....


:shrug:

[TeamsterDem]

20. This is absolutely sickening. nt

[atheistprogress]

21. Every uniformed police officer

needs a camera attached to his or her head. That way when they beat a suspect, the courts can have proof if it was excessive or just an abuse of power.

[JDPriestly]

22. Barring these videos is suborning evidence.

If I understand this newscast correctly, the man who was arrested had a court hearing in which he wanted a reporter to be present, but no reporter was permitted.

The police can easily bar evidence of criminal behavior on their own parts with these laws.

Seems to me the law gives a license to the obstruction of justice in any case against the officers.

Certainly, the filming and videotaping should be permitted in any public area.

Could he have obtained an injunction to require the court to have a reporter present during his hearing? (Assuming that I am correct about that being the issue.)

[DeSwiss]

23. They're afraid of us. - K&R n/t

[free420]

24. Born in Robinson

and long time citizen of Crawford County IL. They have always been one of the most corrupt counties around. We are famous for it. Some of the stuff they have pulled on the citizens over the last 20 years is inconceivable. The police here can get away with anything...

[scentopine]

25. This really is sick shit. Fucking 3rd world police state. Oh, and then

they'll wonder why there are goddamn riots.

[provis99]

26. and of course the chickenshit Assistant DA wouldn't do an interview.

Fucking fascist cowards.

[Divine Discontent]

27. good cops have nothing to fear and everything to gain from a video recording.

that being said, bad cops have everything to fear and nothing to gain from a video recording.

To think this is already illegal in over 1/4 of the states is shameful. What country is this? If it's in public, recording people doing what you believe to be illegal acts should be anything but illegal.


http://www.cafepress.com/barackobama12

[midnight]

30. Judge described audio recordings of NYPD precinct roll-calls presented by plaintiffs “smoking gun"

Judge Scheindlin concluded that the statistical evidence submitted by the plaintiffs raises factual questions “as to whether the NYPD’s stop and frisk policies have had a disparate impact in the form of a widespread pattern of race-based stops,” and that supposed recent corrective action by the NYPD is not enough at this point “to negate the inference that intentional discrimination was the City’s standard operating procedure.” In addition, the Judge described audio recordings of NYPD precinct roll-calls presented by plaintiffs as “smoking gun” evidence that creates “a triable issue of fact as to whether NYPD supervisors have a custom or practice of imposing quotas on officer activity, and whether such quotas can be said to be the ‘moving force’ behind widespread suspicionless stops.” http://www.ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-releases/judge-allows-lawsuit-challenging-nypd%2526%2523039%3Bs-stop-and-frisk-policy-move-forward