TDPS: Should Women Flaunt it At Work? Self-Proclaimed Feminist Says Yes

[celtics23]

Run time: 05:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4gIFFsCD2E   Posted on YouTube: August 30, 2011 By YouTube Member: MidweekPolitics Views on YouTube: 273   Posted on DU: August 31, 2011 By DU Member: celtics23 Views on DU: 1885

 
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[closeupready]

1. If you make a spectacle of yourself, don't complain when people admire you.

Or, conversely, laugh at your ugly, unattractive, unclean body.

You willingly expose yourself to superficial judgments, so that's the risk you take.

[seabeyond]

2. this is the woes of our young women that are doing exactly the same thing to themselves that they

did in history submitting and subservient to men. there is all kinds of stupid in this. it is blindly walking into the male culture bound and gagged and doing it willingly.

men no longer have the dominance over women that they are too stupid, emotional, inept to provide for self, be independent.

now the dominance is that woman are merely around to "hit it". and this is playing into that.

stupid, stpuid, stupid.

womens worth is merely appearance and what she can provide for men

stupid.

it sets up all women for fail in the work environment.

i agree totally with the dude (dont know his name).

[dawg]

3. I would never favor a subordiante because I found her to be sexy.

If anything, I would over-compensate in the other direction.

[JDPriestly]

4. I remember when I was young and naive and thought I was ugly,

a professor praised a paper I had written in front of one of my fellow students. The student looked at me angrily and said, "Boy, Prof. So and So, sure grades on the curve.

I never thought I was attractive, but I liked to be physically active and always ate a healthy diet and liked pretty clothes -- so maybe I might have qualified.

And from that perspective, here is my point of view:

Men use their sexuality and testosterone in the workplace all the time. This is especially true in executive offices and the legal field.

Most of the successful male lawyers I have known were as vain and careful about their exercise (diet not always so much) and dress, maybe more, than most female lawyers I have known. Law tends to be a desk job so some lawyers get flabby, but even for them, keeping up the appearance of health and sexual virility inspires confidence -- so they try.

The key is not sexuality, it is self-confidence. If you believe you look wonderful because you work out regularly, you eat right and you wear expensive clothes and the right make-up, you are more likely to feel self-confident. If you stayed up watching TV half the night, ate no vegetables or fruit for the past ten days, buy clothes you don't really like and come to work with no make-up and unwashed hair, you feel like you aren't worth much.

An attractive young woman who is so lacking in self-confidence that she is shocked when another student tells her that maybe her appearance is paving the way for her, will not be able to benefit from the advantage her good looks give her, whether she "flaunts" it (most likely inadvertently in her case) or not.

So accepting yourself and believing in yourself are the issues here.

We women still think that we need a lot of props -- like a great hair style, expensive (not necessarily becoming, but expensive) clothes and make-up, etc. No, we need to believe in ourselves, and have enough self-confidence to be able to love others and make them feel happy and honored to be around us. I think that is the key to success.

I have seen well-dressed, beautiful women who did not do well because they were just mean to their co-workers.

Lawyers often make the mistake of treating the clerks in courtrooms like dirt. If they only knew how close a lot of judges are to their clerks. Huge, huge mistake. Treat people well and with respect, and chances are that is how they will treat you. If not, dismiss them as jerks. It's not how sexy you dress. It is how genuine your smile is that counts.

[seabeyond]

5. 'I'm too pretty to do homework so my brother has to do it for me'

Wow. Just... wow.

"Who has time for homework when there's a new Justin Bieber album out? She'll love this tee that's just as cute and sassy as she is," the marketing copy declares.

Who would buy this shirt? Who could possibly think this is a good message to send to girls? I'm normally pretty laid-back about funny T-shirts for kids -- I love the one that says "Still living with my parents" -- but this one just seems wrong on so many levels. Really, people are still buying into the stereotype that pretty and smart can't go hand-in-hand? How dated, ridiculous and sad. Surely we can do better for our daughters.

To be honest, I didn't believe this T-shirt was real until I followed the link to the JC Penney website, where it is indeed on sale for $9.99. Marked down from $16.99 -- that's 41 percent off (yes, I did my own homework, thank you very much).

http://moms.today.com/_news/2011/08/31/7539556-im-too-pretty-to-do-homework-so-my-brother-has-to-do-it-for-me

UPDATE... pulled adn jc pennys apologized

thinking it fit with the culture of using looks instead of brains.

[tea and oranges]

6. This is boy-toy feminism

In other words it's not feminism. Would we recommend that black people shuck & jive? Yes, I thought not. So tell me again why women should volunteer to be objectified.

A *hot-ocracy* won't level the playing field, but it would make for a far more dysfunctional work place than we have the joy of experiencing now.

This "theory" is absolute drivel.

[swilton]

10. ++

I just see that leveling the erotic playing field reinforces or validates the patriarchical system/values that it would supposedly be attacking. It's total surrender by subscribing to/agreeing with the patriarchal-defined values. It is not feminism merely surrender.

[Badsam]

7. Women in pant suits look so silly. You are not men so dont dress like us.

Woman can be professional and attractive and still look like women

[seabeyond]

8. really? advocating women should not wear pants, but dress as a woman in a skirt/dress. really?

i havent heard that garbage in so damn long. :puke: who dictated "dressing like a woman". cause as far as i am concerned, wearing pants is as much "woman" as wearing a dress.

[eShirl]

9. I know... sounds like the dress code at the local Assemblies of God high school

[Generic Other]

11. Think we should kneel on the floor and let them measure the length of our hems too?

I am dumbfounded to hear anyone on DU under the age of 90 attacking pants suits.

[LadyLeigh]

12. I forgot which women it was who said "you can only sleep your way into the middle-ranks".

If you capitalize on your looks rather than your skill you might end up in a cozy, well-paid,
secretary job working for a powerful man. But generally, the people at the top or not the types
that are swayed in their decision making by "a hot woman in a skirt", or they wouldn't be where
they are. They are by very definition not "boy toys". They might hire you to "have eye-candy in the office" but they will not take you serious as a person who is qualified to make decisions. What matters at the top level is knowledge of your job and leadership skill only. Personal appearance may (or may not) have a mild impact on the later. But that is about all.

Of course "calling in favors" can help a little, if one really wants to go there. At the end of the day it boils down to what "The Godfather" said: "True power cannot be given. It must be taken."