Fox News and Frank Luntz caught red-handed!

[MiniMe]

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Typical Faux Snooze tactic.

[cboy4]

1. haha

Someone was paying attention!

[jebediah]

2. kick nt

[AlbertCat]

3. duh...

What is up with these people? do they actually think no one will notice? That no one is paying attention?

They really to have nothing but contempt for the public. They think we're all as dunb as those who voted for Bush in '04!

[Rageneau]

6. Why shouldn't they think they can get away with it?

Who is going to call them out?

The one possibility is KO. He MIGHT be persuaded to show Fox Noise up for what it really is, but none of the other "established" media will try. A handful of people will know of Luntz's duplicity, but most viewers will assume he's the leading edge of truth.

America's mainstream media IS the problem. It always colludes with the wingnuts.

[ClintonTyree]

36. 99%....

of FAUX viewers WON'T notice, and that's what FAUX relies upon. Just because a few sharp-minded individuals catch them in their dirty deeds doesn't mean the average FAUX viewer, with the attention span of broccoli, will. :shrug: They don't care if they get caught because no one will ever hear about it anyway.

[The Wizard]

39. We may not be as dumb,

but the dopes who voted for Bush didn't get any smarter. Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is terminal.

[YOY]

4. This should be on MSNBC and CNN if they had any balls

But I suspect CNN couldn't care less and MSNBC is afraid of being seen as "too liberal".

[TAGGLINES]

30. CASE IN POINT...

THEY DON'T...IT'S ALL BULLSHIT...

THOSE SHITHEADS PRODUCE NO MORE "NEWSWORTHY" MATERIAL THAN 'LONE RANGER' or 'HONEYMOONERS' RE-RUNS DO.

THE WEB IS THE NEW DAILY NEWSPAPER...IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME 'TILL WE GET THE POINT. TV SELLS STUFF...INTERNET TELLS STUFF. JUST LOOK AT THE WAY TECHNOLOGY HAS BROKEN THROUGH THE CRAP THAT SCHMUCKS LIKE "O'REALLY?" PANDERS. I JUST HOPE THE FUCKING GUB'MENT DOESN'T TRY TO CENSOR/CONTROL THE WEB.

[Supersedeas]

47. The Media is very much a part of the process--so the other network OUGHT to consider this news

[amb123]

5. One for the "Fair & Balanced" Hall of Fame!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bleever]

7. Maybe the guy was just undecided about which state he lives in.

Let's not jump to conclusions. :)

[MiniMe]

13. Bwaa Haaa Haaa

:rofl: Good one!

[WilyWondr]

16. He is a repuke

Maybe he has a "compound" in Kennebunkport,ME and a "ranch" in Crawford,TX? :eyes:


Maybe he has a "country club" in Jackson Hole,WY and a "executive home" in St. Michaels,MD? :eyes:


Isn't having 2 homes a prerequisite?

[Gonnuts]

35. Twins ...

it's obvious ...

[tridim]

8. I remember commenting about Luntz' polling group on DU 4 months ago.

I believe I said something like, "Hahaha, they're actors!". Off to search my past.

[ClayZ]

9. K and R (((YOU TUBE)))

[fascisthunter]

10. wow

[TheDoorbellRang]

11. Definitely K&R

Ah, Faux News, faux opinions, faux voters

[Faryn Balyncd]

12. Who is "CHUCK"? - Here's another LINK to more of the VIDEO, and to comments from a FELLOW PANELIST:

Who is "CHUCK"? - Here's another LINK to more of the VIDEO, and to comments from a FELLOW PANELIST (one that, unlike "Chuck" was ignored by Luntz):



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrpES1Lk7X4

I was doing a Google search to try to document where these clips were made, etc:

It appears that the September 5, 2007 Luntz panel was commenting on the September 5, 2007 New Hampshire Republican debate, so the issue of different states may not be accurate.

This is still a powerful indictment of the staged propaganda put out by Fox, Luntz, et al on a daily basis.

It appears that "Chuck" may have been initially exposed by a Paulite by the name of Chris Brunner (apparently the Youtube poster "Check86"), who was inspired by the experience of another Paulite, Jane Aitken, who was sitting in the back of the original 9-5-07 focus group at the Merrimack Restaurant in Manchester, NH, near "Chuck", until Luntz had "Chuck" come up to the front to televise his pro-McCain comments.

Here's an excerpt of Ms Aitken's comments:

"You will see this 'Chuck' character who was originally sitting with ME in the back UNTIL LUNTZ PUT HIM UP FRONT WHEN HE STARTED DEFENDING MCCAIN WHO WAS LUNTZ'S CHOICE FOR WINNER THAT NIGHT. When he says there is nothing wrong with McCain, that's my head just above his, (dark hair) showing my disgust. I had already expressed the opinion that McCain was mentally unstable WHICH I DID NOT FEEL BADLY ABOUT SINCE LUNTZ TOOK EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SHOOT DOWN RON PAUL. Chuck admitted to me that he PARTICPATES IN THESE GROUPS ALL THE TIME."

(emphasis is Ms Aitken's)

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/22221

and Ms Aitken's entire post: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/22221


So it looks like the charge of misrepresenting "Chuck" to come from 2 different states is not substantiated, but it appears that these 2 "focus groups" are far from the only ones he has participated in, as he does it "all the time", and that this Frank Luntz REGULAR, was then hand picked to be featured on Luntz's Fox "News" report.

For Luntz or Fox to make any claim that his focus groups are anything other than staged propaganda appears preposterous.

He does a great job of acting "undecided" touting McCain in one & Romney in the next.

It would be nice for someone to find out who this stooge "Chuck" actually is, what ties he has to the Republican propaganda machine, and his past history.

A little more solid data on this (semi- or fully-?)professional "undecided focus grouper" propaganda actor might be enlightening.

Anyone in New Hampshire recognize this fellow?







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UPDATE:

Perhaps he is the voter cited by this McClatchy Newspapers release, here in the Seattle Times:

Chuck Tarr, a federal worker from Nashua, said he was for McCain until watching him closely in a Saturday debate. "I didn't like his attitude," Tarr said of McCain. "It was too mean-spirited. He kept whining about Mitt. A candidate should be able to stand on his record." He's now for Romney.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004110753_webcampaign06.html

So maybe Luntz's propaganda is not as nefarious as first impression. (Perhaps Luntz just likes to stick with his frequent fliers.)

[MiniMe]

14. Wow, a much better video than the one that I posted

I don't know if the one I posted was from 2 different states or not, I'm glad that you posted this to make it clear. Still, it does make the Luntz focus groups questionable.

Thanks!

[Bolo Boffin]

17. Things like that get to be symbiotic.

"Chuck" figures out what Luntz wants to hear and says it.

Luntz hears what he wants to hear and rewards people by putting them up front.

Luntz knows better than this. If he was interested in objectivity, he would guard against a feedback loop like that. Instead, he enables it. This is clear proof of that.

[Faryn Balyncd]

22. VIDEO confrontation between Luntz & a Paulista who was VIDEOTAPING his Focus Group propagandizing:

From Fire Dog Lake:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/07/ron-paul-supporters-confront-frank-luntz/





Seems to me that with Luntz/Goebbels history of passing staged propaganda off as journalistic reporting of "focus groups", that the public could really benefit from a video expose of exactly what goes on in a Luntz "focus group"


How on earth did Luntz, a paid GOP linguistic psychologist (The fellow who changed privatizing Social Security into "personal" accounts, and the fellow who gave a handbook to GOP politicians telling them NEVER to discuss Iraq without first mentioning "9/11" -- (Here's the PDF of the Luntz produced GOP linguistic manual - http://www.zephoria.org/lakoff/files/Luntz.pdf )........ How on earth did this professional propagandist ever succeed in passing himself off as a journalist?????

[Bolo Boffin]

27. "public could really benefit from a video expose of exactly what goes on in a Luntz "focus group"

Hell, yes, they could.

:thumbsup:

[Truth2Tell]

34. I agree with the guy in the video who said

"Fuck you Frank."

[blondeatlast]

42. I don't think Luntz does know any better. Seriously--

He still plays the "I'll help the Democrats, too, if they'll just pay me for it" then publicly sulks because we refuse to.

He's done it on the tweety and Maher shows more than once each.

Like rove, he isn't half as clever as he thinks he is.

[blondeatlast]

41. We'll see Chuck again on Super Tuesday--and let's make note of

the rest of Luntz's chosen "audience."

Good find, charles t!

[Bolo Boffin]

15. You know, I was just thinking this last night.

I was imagining the lines going around, and somebody complaining about having to assert that Mitt Romney was more believable in his pro-life stance than Mike Huckabee.

The flip-flopper more believable than the Baptist preacher on pro-life issues.

LOL! Luntz is whacked.

[bridgit]

18. I'll cross-post this from a thread in GD last night: Only Luntz's recurring database can say...

for sure, I wouldn't put it past him...

he's stacked every other deck in the RW house, and he's not about to offer failure as a product to his 'clients' by way of screening from unbiased pools of participants, it's all in the screening process...

"Do you vote?"

"Yes."

"Are you a registered Republican, or an Independent?"

"No."

"You may, or may not qualify for this session. May we contact you for any future focus groups we may conduct?"

"Yes."

"Thank you for your time." click!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2616024&mesg_id=2616377

[951-Riverside]

19. Dennis Rader got out early? n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Wow! This should FINISH Luntz and Faux, but it won't. n/t

[lovuian]

21. the propoganda machine is failing

Failing

[bjobotts]

23. Caught this time. They are pure propaganda makers. Lie about everything

[Dave From Canada]

24. Any proof that this guy is an actual paid actor? Maybe they used him twice because they just like

his biased opinion. Doesn't necessarily mean he's an actor. However, Fox was definitely caught red-handed.

[blondeatlast]

43. It shouldn't be too hard. Perhaps our show biz connected DUers (there's

a few with pretty solid connections) can help us with this.

[Honeycombe8]

25. Wow. This should be covered by other media. nt

[taylor egv420106]

26. What will be really funny

Is despite showing them this all the faux noise losers who will claim that its just the "liberal media" attacking Faux Noise and that "everyone does it". Of course they wont be able to actually cite any examples.

[creeksneakers2]

28. When Luntz focused grouped after a Dem debate

He introduced the group as undecided voters. Plenty of them indicated in their comments that they'd made a decision before the focus group. There were maybe four Hillary supporters out of a group of 30 and they were seated way in the back where one could hardly see them. Luntz invited attacks against Hillary with every question but one and called on the people who didn't like Hillary. One Hillary supporter got to make one comment and Luntz cut her off.

This video of a dual participant is fantastic. I hope this story spreads and Luntz gets caught.

[Hulk]

29. You would think the dumb ass would have at least shaved his fur...

What a sophomoric act the repug propaganda machine is using these days. They surely miss rove and his thugs.

I laugh at this crap, but it is serious bad news. Guess what America.....it's been happening STEADY since the 1960's....

[Cowpunk]

31. Olbermann Would Run This! N/T

[Maestro]

32. So typical of Faux!

They need to stop "reporting" the news and just come clean. They need to announce that they will dole out info from their point of view. They could call it the Ignorant Twit Channel or Conservative Conniving Con Artist Channel or, well, you get the idea. I hope Media Matters gets a hold of this.

[The_Casual_Observer]

33. I guess he has never made the claim that his work is scientific!

[Stump]

37. K&R

I tried e-mailing this to Countdown but couldn't get it through for some reason. :shrug:

[The Wizard]

38. Spent the weekend in New Hampshire

and nailed the propagandist Luntz twice. The first time was at an event with Bill Clinton. I asked The Master of Language what part of Bill Clinton's anatomy would the liberal media blame if the United States gets hit with another terrorist attack during Bush's tenure. Frank's jaw gaped and he stammered and stuttered saying he couldn't answer that before running away. The following day at a Hillary event I tracked Frank down and asked him if he knew whether or not Bill O'Reilly's gay lover was present. Frank almost choked on his tongue before running off.
The fact is Frank Luntz, the self proclaimed language expert, is a wind bag who has duped the right wing nit wits who vote against their own best interests. It's not that difficult to dupe idiots, but credit is due to those who have figured out how to exploit the great dumbing down.
A knuckle dragging moran's vote counts as much as a serious critical thinker's.
Nietzsche was right.

[iamthebandfanman]

40. im glad to see republicans start to figure this out

its nice to see them unravel the same kinda clues we all hadta do when this all began back in 2000. there IS a conspiracy afoot in our elections...

maybe they will root out the rats in their party as we have attempted to do in ours.

i think we'll see a 'cleansing' in the GOP in the coming years.

heres another good video about all this stuff, and other things fox has done to discredit people like ron paul...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wu1i6GooQY&feature=related

[blondeatlast]

44. As an amateur linguist myself, I've despised Luntz since well before it was fashionable

and I'm LOVING this!

Fuck you with a pointy stick, Frank! :rofl:

[Zambero]

45. Focus Group?

No, Bogus Group is the better description.

[Joey Liberal]

46. Faux News is a disgrace n/t

[alfredo]

48. Kick