How to Talk to a Naderite (If You Must)

[LoZoccolo]

Run time: 03:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xOdATCFM30   Posted on YouTube: April 17, 2015 By YouTube Member: YouTube Help Views on YouTube: 7023058   Posted on DU: December 11, 2006 By DU Member: LoZoccolo Views on DU: 3148

 
This is an original video of how to deflect propaganda spread by supporters of Ralph Nader.

[wtmusic]

1. Acting like an idiot?

I think I'll pass. :eyes:

[zreosumgame]

43. my 1st thought as well

[mod mom]

2. What a waste of bandwidth-someone out promoting environmental change

and an idiot offering jibberish?

[LoZoccolo]

4. More like someone promoting environmental disaster.

Nader is responsible for the Bush* victory and environmental disasters occurring after it.

[mod mom]

6. twisted logic. Gore won-blame the SCOTUS and those who stole the 2000

and 2004 election for the chimpster. enough wasted time. see ya.

[LoZoccolo]

7. Responsibility = ability to respond.

If Naderites want to game the definition of responsibility to hold their guy blameless, reality still has a way of imposing it's own concept regardless.

[deutsey]

13. I think the Dems should be more concerned with how tens of thousands

of voters in Florida were illegally disenfranchised in 2000 (among other "irregularities") than with Nader's role in the election.

[Buzz Clik]

16. Exactly. Exercising one's right to vote versus suppressing that right.

You've nailed it square on the head.

[LoZoccolo]

20. Excuse me; I'm exercising my right.

My right to say "dooga dooga dooga dooga".

[deutsey]

38. And I may not agree with your dooga dooga dooga

but I will defend your right to say it to the bitter end.

[Buzz Clik]

14. Unreal! You blame Nader in the same breath that you trumpet responsibility?

That must be the single most delicious bit of irony I've seen in weeks.

Nicely done. Put that on YouTube -- I definitely would laugh out loud.

[LoZoccolo]

17. It doesn't matter what I think.

It matters what someone's actions produce, and that is all. Like I said, if anyone tries to game the definition of responsibility, it doesn't matter.

[Name removed]

30. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mzmolly]

39. How did anyone suppress someone else's constitutional rights?

And, since when was political satire "fascism?" This man was saying we have 25 years left in existence, all the while he's helping Bush? Who are the fascists HERE

[ryanmuegge]

19. Someone's got to be part of an opposition party...

The Clintonistas in the Democrats sure aren't doing it. I prefer a multi-party state, as opposed to the single-party incarnation we have now.

In 2000, Nader was the only one attempting to force the "mainstream" party into confronting real issues.

I share your desire to have anyone but Bush and his gang of corporate thugs controlling White House, but anger against Nader is misguided. I would have preferred Gore to Bush, no doubt. The corporate elite wouldn't allow it to happen under any circumstances, though.

[mzmolly]

45. An opposition to whom? Nader took mucho money in the form of

contributions from Republicans. Republicans consider Nader an ally.

[ryanmuegge]

48. It is true that he did take money from Republicans in '04.

Good point. What I mean by opposition is that the Greens are an alternative to the Washington establishment, which is embodied by both the Democrats and Republicans. They are much more similar than different. Both are very much beholden to corporate interests to the detriment of a majority of the population. I don't believe Lieberman and Biden are really that much different than John McCain and Bill Frist.

[mzmolly]

50. I don't think they are an "alternative."

And, if you check the voting records of Biden and Lieberman you will see that they are drastically different than Frist and/or McCain.

Interest group ratings are a good place to start. Just enter the last name on the left of the link and you will see the differences, even between so called "moderates" in the two parties.

LIEBERMAN
http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0141103

BIDEN
http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0150103

FRIST
http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=CNIP7879

MCCAIN
http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0061103

[Patchuli]

54. Nader kept it from being a landslide

both times. Vote siphon. Did you notice for the mid-terms, the results couldn't be skewed this time? It was a landslide. Seems like proof that without the Nader Vote Suck previously, the cheaters couldn't have done it.

[Buzz Clik]

12. No, Gore lost. Bush was a joke, yet we still couldn't beat him.

Nader vs Buchanan -- it was a wash with the minor party candidates. Their effects cancelled out.

Six years out, and the best we can do is "dooga dooga dooga dooga"?

[Tom Joad]

29. O'Reilly..should have this guy on.

[Tom Joad]

28. Nader forced people to vote for Bush rather than Gore?

There is no logic in that whatsoever.

Blame Katherine Harris purging voter rolls in Florida. Blame people who voted for Bush. Blame the Supreme Court. Blame Bush.

You can't blame Nader.

If you oppose elections with more than 2 candidates that is your choice, but in this nation, i think most people, even today, support democracy and open elections.

[mzmolly]

35. No he just said they were essentially the same. And young white men with the

the least to lose, believed him.

[Patchuli]

55. I can blame Nader and all of the above...

and have never figured out what Ralph thinks he possesses to be a good leader.

[meegbear]

3. You just took 0:59 seconds of my life I'll never get back ...

score one for the Beatles.

[LoZoccolo]

5. At the end of "I Am The Walrus"...

...you can clearly hear then chanting "dooga dooga very lovely dooga".

[mike_c]

8. what a waste of bandwidth....

There are more than two candidates for president, 'bro. It's called democracy.

[mzmolly]

9. I laughed.

Loved the title as well. ;) Seemed like a nice kid. Probably a recovering Republican?

:hi:

[LoZoccolo]

22. And the guy in the video laughed too!

I don't understand the outrage that some people are showing. Laughing means he thinks it's funny!

:hi:

[mzmolly]

23. I don't either.

:shrug: After all, we needn't be "series" all the time. :D

[Cocoa]

10. that guy didn't deserve that

he's doing what he thinks is right, he deserves a lot of respect.

[mzmolly]

40. I dunno, I think he deserves a smack upside the head.

But that's just me. ;) I find his "we have 25 years left before the earth is beyond repair" to be contrary to his "let's help Bush get elected" position.

:hi:

[mod mom]

41. Funny, Al Gore is just down thread saying 10 years. Does he need a smack

also? I personally applaud all those who work for progressive change regardless of party.

[mzmolly]

44. No, Gore didn't work to elect people who denied the existence of global warming.

I also applaud those who work for "progressive change" and this fool is working against it.

[Buzz Clik]

11. What a fucking moron.

I don't get the intolerance bit. It certainly isn't funny.

[LoZoccolo]

15. Think along the lines of "Charlie Brown" (mwah mwaaaah, ma mwah mwah mwaaaah).

The hidden meaning which I evidently have to spell out is that there is no reasoning with people who won't acknowledge that their tactics get Republicans elected and do ze-ro to advance environmental causes.

[Buzz Clik]

18. Get your thumb out of your mouth.

Put your energies where they belong.

I'm done with this waste of time.

[LoZoccolo]

21. I was done with that guy's waste of time too.

That's why I said "dooga dooga dooga dooga".

[mzmolly]

24. LOL

I'm gonna remember that one. "dooga dooga dooga" is a great response to the Naderesque jibberish that we are subject to from time to time.

:evilgrin:

[StrictlyRockers]

53. I agree.

It's not a bit funny. He is a fucking moron for doing this and a bigger moron for posting it here.

SR

[Donnachaidh]

25. wow -- what an INTELLIGENT confrontation!

Don't quit your day job dude. :sarcasm:

[LoZoccolo]

26. I find that you have to speak to people where they're at.

Ever since I started employing that principle politically, things have been that much easier.

[Donnachaidh]

32. you have a point

Most people find they can walk away rather quickly from a drooling idiot. :sarcasm:

[Tom Joad]

27. The ann coulter like title, fits the ann coulter-like illogic.

What i would expect.

[LoZoccolo]

33. Except that I would bet that Ann Coulter likes Nader more than you do. n/t

[MrPrax]

31. Boy that was pathetic...

Seems about right -- Greens are at least trying to talk to people and coming up with new ideas and Dems are perfectly happy talking to Republicans and using their talking points...'dooga dooga dooga...support the President...dooga dooga dooga...war on terror...dooga dooga dooga...Another Bush appointment confirmed 95-2...dooga dooga dooga'

Did an actual Dem make this? Seems so stupid, one would think it's a smear AGAINST democrats.

[LoZoccolo]

34. That was me who made the video.

I'm not just a Dem, I'm Mr. Dooga himself.

[ixion]

36. way to pay homage to Ann Coulter

you should be so proud. :eyes: :puke:

[LoZoccolo]

37. I'm just as proud as the first time I heard that joke a few replies ago. n/t

[otherlander]

42. Isn't it interesting

how all of the idiots disagree with you? :hi:

[Bonobo]

46. I'm so glad to see you're as stupid as I thought. Dooga dooga indeed.

[LoZoccolo]

51. When I see the word "bonobo", I think of two words.

The second of the two is "fencing".

[PreacherCasey]

47. Not funny or even mildly entertaining.

I'll take reasoned discourse over arrogant rambling any day.

[Steepler0t]

49. Infuruating how the left eats its own here

Maybe if the Democrats actually represented all of us and stopped the centrist pandering Nader would be a non-issue.

I am down for the Dems and all, but Dems and Greens should work together, sorry but this is stupid, Nader may be a jerk but the Greens platform has very valid points the Democratic Party should take seriously if we are ever going to be a "Big Tent" (and by big tent I don't mean just pandering to righties!)

So many people I talk to hate politics becasue they see bot hparties as the same, and there is truth in that in some ways. Please do not take this as being anti-Democratic but it is my humble opinion.

[Puregonzo1188]

52. Even if you do believe Nader caused Bush to win or what not

wouldn't it be better to try use logic and reason to persuad someone instead of act like an idiot? I'm sorry, but if you're that concerned about Nader's effect on the election the logical thing to do would be try to convince people why they should vote for Kerry/Gore whomever you are promoting, instead of going "dooga dooga doooga." It might have more of an effect.

[NoPasaran]

56. Best political video ever!

Answers the political crackpottery of the Naderite "left" in its own coin! Brilliant!