Obama: 'Just Words'? - - "Don't tell me words don't matter!"

[jefferson_dem]

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:patriot:

Last 10 minutes of Barack Obama's speech in Milwaukee on 2/16 where he responds to Hillary Clinton's recent criticism he is all talk - and good speeches don't necessarily produce results.

[sloppyjoe25s]

1. Nice - he's never afraid to take her latest attack head on...

She tries a new "angle" every week - and he always answers head on & he's always go the better position - with more judgement and more substance in his pinky, than in Mrs. Clinton's whole campaign.

She tries little things like "get a reality check", "we don't need false hope", "I'm in the solutions business" and "talk is cheap" - i can't believe she thinks that she is going to win by being the "scolding schoolteacher" in the race.

She changes by the hour, and he remains right on message & right on the money!

Viva Obama! Obamanos!

[bahrbearian]

2. So why not debate?

[jefferson_dem]

3. There have been 18. Two are coming up. The first is on Thursday.

I'm sure you'll be watching with baited breath.

[DUyellow]

34. Next we will hear, Obama needs to debate us every day...

Obama is not a tool. Why would he take advise from a failing campaign.

[logandren]

41. Debates

It's obvious that she is losing and needs free air time. When you watch the next debate notice how she never really answers the question posed to her but launches into her talking points. She is just trying to get free air time and praying that Obama will say something she can latch onto. Their positions are quite similar and well known, the real questions are who can bring both sides of the aisle together to get meaningful reform passed and who starts on day one with half of America ( Republicans and Democrats ) hating them and ready to block any all proposals. The clear answer for the Democratic party and America is OBAMA. Stop the bickering in washington Vote Obama.

[Thrill]

57. Heres a question. If he

kicks her ass in the next debate, will she stop begging for them? Thats what I see happening. I think they underestimate him in debates. He may have something for them this time

[Buck Power]

81. Because

he has the upper hand.

Would you?

[NMMatt]

83. Because he is winning. The losing candidate is always the one who demands more debates.

Politics 101.

[mopinko]

16. that is the thing, right there.

he is the only one that seems to be in touch with reality at all. every speech, he speaks to what is being said, he answers it. the rest of them give their stump speeches every time the camera comes on. "staying on message" iow, catapulting the propaganda.
living in the real world. wow. wouldn't it be nice to have a president that does that?

[bjobotts]

71. She never said that. And her other words were taken out of context.

[bjobotts]

72. Try saying "How" after each of Obama's sentences saying what he wants to do.

[saltpoint]

4. It's a very convincing response.

And he delivers it the way Randy Johnson delivers a hard fastball.

Real strong and right over the plate.

[jefferson_dem]

7. While we're using sports analogies...

I like to think of it as a Michael Jordan style slam dunk right in Hillary's face...

...with a "land and a look" after.

[saltpoint]

8. The guy from the opposite team there, defending under the basket...

The photographer appears not to have captured his best side.

[bjobotts]

77. Yes I use hope alot. But this is how I plan to bring these hopes about

First I will.....stop all the....by making a...a....I have a dream that yes we can.

[IdClaire]

94. LOL

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. K & R

Great speech.

Dare I say, it gives me hope.

[lordsummerisle]

6. This is the first politician

in my adult life whose speeches I actually look forward to listening to.
It's still for me hard to believe that the current President has to fight his way just to complete a sentence...

[Enrique]

107. he's the second one for me

Deval Patrick is first.

[Deja Q]

9. About 4:30 minutes in.

[dave123williams]

10. Look, if they want to run on an anti-hope ticket, let 'em.

[Deja Q]

11. **DUzy Alert!!** **DUzy Alert!!** **DUzy Alert!!** **DUzy Alert!!** **DUzy Alert!!**

[bjobotts]

73. Don't be an idiot. All campaigns run on hope.No one is anti-hope.

[NMMatt]

84. LOL... if only the Clintons had gotten that advice they might have been inevitable. -nt

[berni_mccoy]

88. Tell Hillary's Campaign that. They are DASHING HOPE against the Rocks.

[dave123williams]

95. Reaaaalllly. McCain didn't just call Obamas appeal to hope, 'plattitudes'. Really.

There weren't any number of GOP campaigns that ran on fear? Who's an idiot?

[NJmaverick]

12. OUTSTANDING!!!

A+ should be manditory viewing for everyone on this board!

[Yael]

13. POWERFUL

Loved it last night -- thanks for the chance to relisten!

[Voice for Peace]

14. Obama is impressing me more and more as time goes on.

I was very cynical earlier on, about both Obama and Hilary. I've been watching them both closely and also reading the supporters on both sides. The arguments for Hilary just don't add up any more, and for the most part have a distinct negativity that seems cultish to me.. so it's strange to hear people speak of cultishness among Obama supporters.

Obama is making more and more sense to me as time goes on, and moreover I am increasingly convinced that inspiration is what our country needs more than anything. This speech segment explains this beautifully, why such inspiration matters. Clinton simply does not inspire. At best, she is uninspiring. I have the impression that people may vote for her based primarily on fear, not on wisdom or good information -- fear because the country was sort of "ok" under Bill Clinton, and we sort of had good relations with alot of the rest of the world -- so such voters feel more secure about the prospect of more Clinton years.

But this is the time to say no to fear, in all its forms. My confidence in Obama is growing daily, not only in his abilities as a leader, but his likelihood to win the general election, the wide appeal.

[IndyOp]

58. But this is the time to say no to fear, in all its forms.

Thank you.

Isn't it interesting how, sometimes, you run into exactly what you need to read exactly when you need to read it?

I was busy freaking out about the economy and other stuff and then I read your post and the line that leapt out at me was:

But this is the time to say no to fear, in all its forms.

I forget too easily that fear is chosen. We can say no.

:yourock:

[Tafiti]

61. I think you're right about inspiration.

Let's say Obama becomes President. It seems to me, if the American people are truly inspired once again by a President (JFK-style), how much pressure does that then put on the Republicans to concede with crucial components of Obama's national agenda? The Republicans will look like complete assholes for trying to push back against him if a large majority of the country support him once he's in office. If Clinton becomes President, Republicans almost certainly will not have that problem. We need Obama in the White House.

[cloud75]

15. great speech...it won't solve problems n/t

[jefferson_dem]

17. Silly straw-man comment.

Nobody is saying a single speech alone can solve problems.

Perhaps you should watch the video excerpt again so you can better understand the point.

[earthlover]

18. And Hillary can solve problems when she can't inspire?

The cynics would have been all over FDR for saying that stuff IN A SPEECH about not having anything to fear but fear itself. And they would have been merciless about JFK's SPEECH that said ask not what your country can do for you....

We used to be the party of ideals. Now we have some self-serving cynics who, because they support one candidate, pooh-pooh the very ideals our party was founded on....

pathetic, coming from the Hillary Herd.

It is a GOOD THING for a president to inspire the nation to follow progressive ideals. What's wrong with that? Inspiration leads to change.

[humbled_opinion]

23. Don't be cynical...

Embrace the change.. Don't fight it... Why do you want us to go back to broken promises and half truths... Lets move forward with real change and start with the truth...

What Obama says he will do he can accomplish because we are behind him every step of the way... With Hillary its all about the Platitudes.

[cloud75]

27. i need action to back his statements.

he supported the Bush energy plan, he wants to keep no child left behind, he supported the bankruptcy bill and i'm not sure if he knows how to run the federal government during a time of crises. at the end of the day i will support the democratic candidate right now i think we are taking a chance with Obama because his record on issues is thin. i know my candidate's chances of winning the primary are getting smaller everyday but i will fight and work for her until the last day. and i will do the same for obama in the ge if he wins.

[trthnd4jstc]

35. These are Valid Criticisms, I think that no Candidate is Perfect.

I agree with your criticisms of Sen. Obama on these things, "he supported the Bush energy plan, he wants to keep no child left behind, he supported the bankruptcy bill", but I do not agree with, "i'm not sure if he knows how to run the federal government during a time of crises. at the end of the day i will support the democratic candidate right now i think we are taking a chance with Obama because his record on issues is thin." I think that a President Obama will work hard for the American People. I think he has more Positives than Negatives. I also think that you cannot please all of the people all of the time. We all come up to different conclusions about the wide array of solutions to our various problems that are out there. I am against Nafta, the no child left behind, Monkey Boys' and Darths' energy plan, and the Bankruptcy Bill. Do we know why Senator Obama has voted the way he has on those issues? This will take more research. I support his plans found on his website though, http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[thereismore]

50. Vote for him, he'll give you action. nt

[bjobotts]

74. Action like for profit healthcare. Lobbyists again getting profits up?

[ariesgem]

51. He was AGAINST the bankruuptcy bill and voted NO. nt

[thereismore]

49. Each one of Hillary's speeches solves a problem. Some solve more than one!

If you can believe that you are a sad person.

[gemdem]

54. Neither will recycled promises

that are just more of the same BS -- different day.

[MethuenProgressive]

19. The slick, fast talking jumior senator Hopes no one will notice his absence of accomplishment.

Comparing this lightweight done-nothing to JFK, MLK, and Jefferson?
Only those ignorant of history would make that error, or buy that bullshit.

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[Deja Q]

24. What does Hillary have to say on the same exact topics?

[humbled_opinion]

25. But why the hate?

Why hate the man simply for trying to change things for the better?

Why castigate those that support him telling us we are buying into bullshit?

former Accomplishments mean nothing...

It is time for real change in politics that is the message do you disagree?

I don't compare Obama to anyone... I will let his actions speak for him.

[RazBerryBeret]

31. love that respnse, Humbled...

sums it all up...

why hate?

[Evergreen Emerald]

37. Exactly right. All words no actions--timid and fast talking

[indimuse]

21. Your words don't matter...to the MSM...LIAR!

Obama has lied and NEVER been called on it..He has been quite evasive about his State Senate records..he said "could have been thrown away..?" HIS WORDS!!! How about his stand at the debates when asked about drivers lic...( 2 weeks to prepare for that question..still ah...huh...ahh...??) Not a f*cking word about it! How about his LIE about REZKO...5 hours??? LIE LIE LIE!!! But not to worry...Feb 25th around the corner...at least a lil' light will be let in. Words.....How's the poverty battle in Illinois BHO coming....? I mean when you look out your NEW "CHANGED" HOME...what is the view like??? How about the words from YOUR campaign about Hillary...Tears...Katrina...Racial Remarks. Pun Jab..YOUR words! Words do matter...But it is WHO is speaking those words...YOUR words are shhit and have produced nothing but divisve crap Obama! Can't wait until another debate...so we can catch you in few more lies!

[lukebc]

22. "indimuse": "Your words don't matter"

"Obama has lied and NEVER been called on it.."..... Obama could say he's guaranteeing EVERYONE on earth a cream puff pie and those of us will STILL vote for him. You wanna know why? Cause his last name is NOT a "clinton" nor a "bush". YOU can roll on the ground and hold your breath and kick and flail and tell us that hillary clinton is the legitimate child of Emma Goldman and Mahatma Gandhi and that will not get us to vote for hillary clinton. The mere fact that her name is hillary ****CLINTON**** is why she will never, never, NEVER, ever, ever, EVER get our vote.

Deal with it.

[Sam Ervin jret]

93. now you prove your prejudiced . To say that you will not vote because she is related to Bill

and not because of what she stands for shows that you have prejudged her and that you are prejudiced against her.

All else you say must be seen in this light.

but by all means keep posting.

[lukebc]

30. "indimuse": "Your words don't matter"

"Obama has lied and NEVER been called on it..".....

What many of you that are holding your breath and rolling on the ground kicking and screaming FOR hillary clinton are incapable of comprehending is that there are many, MANY of US out here that find it an anathema that the office of the President of the United States should become to be viewed as an office that should occupied by a DEFACTO nobility. Two decades of the same "nobility" in the White House has positioned the presidency of the United States to become a "right" to the occupant because of ancestral lineage: THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES IS A KINGSHIP.

The behavior and attitude of the bush's in THEIR pursuit of the Presidency of the United States is clearly one of "we are ****entitled***** to the Presidency of the United States because we are the bush's". With the signals and the attitudes given out by the hillary clinton campaign in this election cycle, they've joined the bush's in telling the electorate that "we are ****entitled**** to the Presidency of the United States because we are the clinton's".

Many, MANY of us that are deeply committed to the democracy of the United States are profoundly alarmed and disturbed that the Presidency of the United States has become degenerated as it has by the bush's and the clinton's and KNOW that it must be stopped.......

[From The Left]

26. Kennedy, King, Mandela and Obama

Once in a generation do we see someone as brillant as Barack.

[MethuenProgressive]

28. 3 great men who accomplished much, one jr. Senator who makes speeches.

Only those ignorant of history would put Obama in their class.

[humbled_opinion]

29. You can just get used to the idea...

The vitriol and hate on this site lately... I think we have some Freeper posters among us... no doubt.:spank:

[RazBerryBeret]

33. are you aware of his record?

both in the US senate and in Illinois?
I think you should check it out, compare.
You'll be surprised----
why fault a man for a God given ability to speak well?
only the blind see that as a fault when he has done the work to back it up

[From The Left]

42. The Obama Haters Can't Be Bothered to Learn

But these are the very same lemmings who gleefully ignore the Borg Queen's pro-Iraq war vote and her refusal to say it was a mistake and apologize to the nation.

[Sam Ervin jret]

96. you should let your candidate speak, you do him no favor with this

He, if he is what he promises to be, is a person who wants to STOP this vitriol.
If your a follower of his.
THEN follow.
Post his IDEAS his accomplishments, his plans for the future.

That would be the best ammunition to use. And it would not have any negative blow back for either side should a blended ticket be called for.

EGOS must be dropped. LIVES are at stake. OUR LIBERTY is at stake. Our constitution has been assaulted. Have you forgotten what we gather here for? democracy with a small d is a stake and the Democratic party with the capital D seems to be our best bet to get some relief.

Or maybe it will all the towers of power will crumble and we will need to start over, which way?

either way, you might want some positive Karma on your side, so .......

[From The Left]

43. More racist drivel

Bump

[MethuenProgressive]

87. Hi Jeff R! Son of Dem?

:popcorn:

[Hekate]

52. Obama is the finest orator in over two generations. We need his inspiration and vision...

And for those who for whatever reason want to tear him down to their level --

JFK did not singlehandedly build the spaceship to the Moon, nor did he design the rockets -- but he set the agenda and the budget and inspired the government and the nation to make landing on the Moon a reality.

FDR did not pick up a shovel and enter a CCC camp, but he set the agenda and the budget and inspired the government and the nation to make the New Deal a reality.

MLK did not write and pass the Civil Rights Act, but he inspired a movement and the nation to make it a reality to end Jim Crow laws.

Over the past 7 years I have been praying (yes, actually praying) for a leader of this inspirational caliber. I used to think that praying over politics was unworthy of bothering the gods with, but the fate of my nation is at stake. I have said many times here that no politician is the Messiah, nor should we expect them to be more than human. But once every couple of generations, if we are lucky, we get a human being who who can inspire us the way Barack Obama is capable of doing.

No Messiah, no cult -- but a man who is capable, from the Oval Office, of setting an agenda and inspiring the government and the nation.

With words.

Hekate

[Deep13]

68. I find the comparison offensive.

How many decades did Obama spend in a South African prison? How many times has he faced down police dogs and firehoses. When was he shot at? What has he done? And by the way, as far as orators go, Obama is a rank amatuer next to King.

I'm not clear on which Kennedy you mean, but I think the reality of the JFK administration versus its mystic makes it an ironically appropriate comparison: long on promise but without a lot of results. The consumate politician and entrenched insided Johnson accomplished far more than JFK.

[From The Left]

85. What you don't understand could fill an ocean

A typical Hillary's Harpie

[Deep13]

91. Nice comeback, Potsy. "Harpie" is a misogynistic term like "bitch." nt

[trthnd4jstc]

32. Obama Rocks, I hate Demagogues, I don't think he is one!

Some people hate success. Maybe Obama is popular because he is authentic. Maybe he is the best person to be President. The Reptilians think they can beat him, and the Clintonians think he is a Demagogue. I think he is the real thing. If he crosses the line, and starts behaving like a demagogue, I will come out against him. If he never abuses his power, we will be lucky to have him as our President.

[humbled_opinion]

36. I'll say this much

Judging from the Numbers that Obama pulls if her Heinous Hillary decides she wants to steal this election from the will of the People then I would support Obama as a Third Party Candidate in a heartbeat ...

and as a third Party he would win the WH and it would really be CHANGE...

[Brigid]

38. don't care what anyone says . . .

I have liked both Clinton and Obama, but I have finally decided to go with Obama when my state finally holds its primary in May. I believe that if we are going to get to work solving the problems in this country, we will need leaders who can start by inspiringer hope. Obama is better at that than Hillary -- though I still like her and will still happily vote for her if she is the nominee. Just consider this another endorsement for Obama. :evilgrin:

[ginnyinWI]

39. Everything Hillary says to attack him gets turned back on her.

He deflects all of their desperate attacks with the simple truth and the moral high ground. :)

[stratomagi]

40. Great. Powerful. Spoken like a true leader. n/t.

[MethuenProgressive]

44. In response to criticism that he's nothing but a speech giver - he gives a speech.

And this guy calls himself the next JFK?
:rofl:

[Barrymores Ghost]

59. ..and in response to getting her butt blown away in the caucuses and primaries...

...Hillary demands to be handed delegates from Wisconsin and Michigan, where Obama took his own name off the ballot -- and where Hillary's own senior campaign strategist even had said that delegates should not be seated, because they broke party rules?

You frickin' people have no shame, no values, no integrity and not one inkling of honor.

And it's no wonder I shudder at the thought of Hillary winning the nomination...supporting her, as I would...

[The_Counsel]

97. Didn't Hillary Bash Obama's 'Speechifying' ... In a SPEECH?

I think that's more ironic than Obama's response, don't you?

And when did Obama call himself the next JFK?

[silverweb]

45. Do we have video of the whole speech anywhere yet?

I've been looking, but haven't seen more than segments. :shrug:

[thereismore]

46. Hope monger. nt

[JNelson6563]

47. I saw this last night on C-Span

I thought "Touche'!" and then I thought "I am looking at the next President". We'll see soon enough if I'm right.

Julie

[Politicalboi]

48. Of Course Hillary

Wants more debates because she is out of money. What better way to get to be on TV without digging into her own pocket. Obama I believe got her on the last debate about being right from day one. And if the Clinton's cheat by stealing Fl and Mi and get the nomination I just might not vote at all or vote for the independant instead. Cheating was unacceptable for us during the 00 and 04 election and it is unacceptable now. Obama gives hope to people and what's wrong with that?

[From The Left]

86. More Debates Reminds Voters How Awful She Is

And directs people to Obama

[ExtraGriz]

53. he is inspirational, but..

i really dont like speeched like this, he comes off as comparing himself to some of the greatest heroes of this country....obama may be inspirational, but for him to associate himself with these heroes and his supporters to compare him to these people is just jumping the gun.

[SunDrop23]

55. I absolutely love Obama. (n/t)

[bjobotts]

75. If only he could play guitar like Hendrix. 1/3 time running for office of some type.

[Thrill]

56. WOW. He really knows how to comeback on those attacks they throw

at him.

[WoodyM]

60. Yes, there have been 18 debates

but only one of those was between Obama and Hillary. The reason Hillary wants more and Obama does not is that she beat the daylights out of him in one on one debate and he knows even if his followers do not. His inspirational speeches that he reads from the teleprompter or from memory when on stage alone sounds very good but when he has to discuss policy one on one his hemming and hawing and err and aws sound so very lame. Just as if he really does not know what he is talking about.

[RBInMaine]

62. Baloney. Obama is specific and sharp as a tack on policy.

Hillary and Bill ALWAYS go negative when they are behind. Hillary is frustrated and once again taking the low road. Obama is on the high road and winning. He is plenty long on specifics, has a powerful grasp of the issues, is smart as a whip, is plenty experienced, and has gone toe to toe with Hillary in every debate. The debate challenge was another desperate negative Hillary attack gimick and it doesn't hold water at all. GO OBAMA !

[The_Counsel]

98. ...And At Least 2 More Debates Still To Come.

"The reason Hillary wants more and Obama does not is that she beat the daylights out of him in one on one debate and he knows even if his followers do not."

Really?

Funny how he won more contests on Super Tuesday after the last debate.

Funny how he reeled of NINE straight victories since Super Tueasday.

This kind of thing just doesn't happen to people who "get the daylights beat out of them."

Oh, and BTW, it doesn't matter that most of the 18 debates weren't one-on-one. Both were on the stage at the same time. If that's the case, Dennis Kucinich could claim victory because nobody debated him one-on-one.... :crazy:

[grahamhgreen]

63. "Don't confuse cynism with wisdom" - BO - Wonderful!

[better tomorrow]

64. Words.......

Remember my replies about words:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EQDiTeCJB4s Volume 2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S-yLUCol9qI Volume 1

[Sonnenschein]

65. Hope is great.

Let's hope he will not be attacked like the Clintons were by the Republicans. Wave the magic "Can we not get along" wand and they will all come out waving white flags.

[democrat2thecore]

66. Wow --- And you see why the Clinton Campaign is doomed

First of all, he is exactly right; secondly, he shows that he is not afraid to fire right back after carefully calculated attacks that simply don't hit their target because of his quick turnaround in rebutting the attacks. Ironically, the BILL Clinton campaign did that so well in '92. This isn't BILL Clinton - and the new face is Barack Obama.

[Deep13]

67. So a bunch of words to explain how words matter? Well, they don't.

I get the feeling that some of us have fallen into the ancient idea that words by themselves have intrinsic power. Don't cast a spell or use the name of god in vain, because words have intrinsic meaning! Well, they are symbolic abstractions that don't have any meaning. Actions matter. That whole knowledge-is-power stuff only works if one is acting on that knowledge.

Sorry, I can't fritter away ten minutes watching a guy pat himself on the back.

[gmudem]

80. We hold those truths to be self-evident

That all men are created equal.

You're right though, words really don't mean anything.

[Deep13]

92. I am right. Without military victory...

...and the intervention of the French, those words would still be meaningless.

[The_Counsel]

100. You Are Wrong. It Starts With An Idea.

The military victory started with an idea. Indeed every millitary action started with at least a word from the commander. Words DO matter.

Intervention from the French came after someone, somewhere convinced them it was the right thing to do. They didn't just DECIDE to intervene. Words DO matter.

The words WOULD still be meaningless without the action. Which is exactly why the words should be inspiring.

Hillary should just stop worrying about stuff that don't matter and figure out how to NOT get her ass whipped nine times in a row... :evilgrin:

[Deep13]

105. That is absolutely wrong.

You are distorting my premise and you either know that or else you lack subtly of understanding. Obviously people communicate with words. In fact, even if I were an idiot it would be hard to escape that conclusion using this medium. My concern with Obama is not that he uses words, but rather the concern is that words are all his has. Jesus, what has he ever done before?

France intervened because Franklin made them see that it was in their interest to do so. (So, he lied, basically.) Without military victories by American forces and a centuries-long struggle with Britian, they would never have done it. So it wasn't just words, it was words that pointed out that 1. America would fight, 2. France had an interest in humiliating Britian and 3. French help would be welcomed by America.

So what is it that HC is worrying about that doesn't matter? Competence? Management ability? Health care reform? Ending the war? If these things are not the issues, what exactly is?

[The_Counsel]

108. This Is So Simple It's Embarrassing. EVERYTHING Begins With An Idea.

"You are distorting my premise and you either know that or else you lack subtly of understanding. Obviously people communicate with words. In fact, even if I were an idiot it would be hard to escape that conclusion using this medium. My concern with Obama is not that he uses words, but rather the concern is that words are all his has. Jesus, what has he ever done before?"

Oh sure. In all his years as a state senator; in all his years as a lawyer; in all his years as an activist, Obama has done nothing. How could we have been so naive? :eyes:

Meanwhile, if Hillary's last name were still Rodham, and she had never set foot into the White House, she wouldn't be where she is today. Not a member of the U.S. Senate, and certainly not a serious contender for her party's nomination for President. I say this as a life-long resident of New York. But I won't belabor that point...


"France intervened because Franklin made them see that it was in their interest to do so. (So, he lied, basically.) Without military victories by American forces and a centuries-long struggle with Britian, they would never have done it. So it wasn't just words, it was words that pointed out that 1. America would fight, 2. France had an interest in humiliating Britian and 3. French help would be welcomed by America. "

Congratulations! You've proven my point! France didn't just DECIDE to intervene because they didn't have anything else better to do. They did so after coaxing from the like of Franklin. You call them "lies," but the three points mentioned above seem to be valid and compelling arguments to me. IDEAS, that motivated the French to action. Now, imagine if the French decided that "well, that Franklin chap talks a good game, but they're really just words from some bald guy who's never done anything other than fly a kite in a thunderstorm. Pass." THAT'S why you don't dismiss words.

What's weird is that I still think Hillary knows this.


"So what is it that HC is worrying about that doesn't matter? Competence? Management ability? Health care reform? Ending the war? If these things are not the issues, what exactly is?"

Well, first of all, I thought she was concerned about the ISSUES. At hand. Wasn't she bashing Obama just last week because he wouldn't debate her on issues every six hours or whatever? What happened to that? Oh wait: the story didn't gain much traction so now she's moving on to this "just words" thing? And isn't she aware that a debate requires the skilled use of words also?

Methinks Hillary had a better chance of sounding like someone sane if she'd stuck to the "why won't he debate me?" tantrum...

[gmudem]

102. So then the Constitution is a meaningless piece of paper?

You're fighting a losing, nonsensical fight. If words don't matter, why does Clinton want to debate so badly? Does she want to express her vision for America through interpretive dance?

[Deep13]

103. You know what I mean.

Obama is all mouth. He has not demonstrated that he can do anything except talk well. Obviously people communicate with words and laws are written in them. They don't enforce themselves, you know.

The Constitution means something because we make it mean something. I don't speak for HC and I think you know that. So why ask? The only way for this comparison to be valid is if Obama wrote the Constitution.

[gmudem]

106. That's just not the case.

Of course you need to enforce the words, but without the words there would be nothing to enforce. That is my point.

Why is the comparison only valid if Obama wrote the Constitution? I'm just using that as an example to show how absurd it is to call words meaningless.

And it is your opinion that he can only speak well, but you're probably ignoring many of his accomplishments. And yes he has them, I'm not going to bother providing a link because there is all kinds of information about it. But this "words mean nothing" argument is just a desperate attack that Clinton has to do because Obama has all the momentum and is heavily favored to be the nominee now.

[The_Counsel]

99. Okay, so Here's A Thought: Obama and Hillary Should BOTH Shut Up.

If words are so meaningless, there's no point to even discussing this, right?

I'm still laughing at the irony of it all: Hillary is using words to bash Obama for using words. This is stupid beyond reason. :rofl:

I suppose we should just let all the candidates run the country for a week so we can see what they can do? That way we don't have to listen to them talk about it, eh?

Or maybe Hillary can just resort to complaining in flag semaphore?

[kotsu]

69. There is a saying

that is often applied to the current resident of the White House, "all hat, no cattle".

[bjobotts]

70. No one said words don't matter or that we don't need hope. We have to

we have to we have to...How, How , How. Obama keeps doing it while saying it's not all he does. Keeps saying we will roll up our sleeves and work block to block...while the republicans walk out of the House and the senate repubs obstruct every piece of legislature that comes to them. He twists what is actually being said about his hope speeches...what is being said is that we all have hope but necessity compels us to do something and he never answers How. How does he expect to make conservatives more progressive. We must not settle he says and then has a for profit health care system making sure that treatments will be denied to increase the profit margins of private ins companies running our healthcare. Medicare and Medicaid are already in place yet he insists on including the health care profiteers in his plan. He knows Exxon/Mobile is profiteering but says nothing except they won't give up their profiteering never saying how he plans to do anything he claims he wants to do.

It's not false hope...it's hope without a plan. Not once do I hear him say anything about accountability...he's so ready to compromise on everything. Couldn't stop FISA with hope. He may have a hope for the future that one day we will all be united for the common good and greed will no longer rule politics just like King had a dream but King had a plan also and so far Obama has just been mouthing words that won't help to restore what has been done to our democracy. "Yes we can" has to be meant with "No you can't" when it comes to stopping this republican disaster and holding these neocons accountable or all they will do is agree with him while they plot on how to stop him. He knows there is a tough fight ahead but says nothing on how he plans to fight it besides "let bygones be bygones". The words he mentioned mattered because they were backed with plans and the power to defend them. No one challenges him in his speeches so he continues that endless platitude. He's not as progressive as we should be making him but we won't be able to if we don't stop chanting and start asking questions and challenging him. Same with any of them.

[bjobotts]

76. But you said you loved me.I did then. Hey words matter.Yeah..then

[Enthusiast]

78. Don't tell me words don't matter!

He hit the nail right on the head! Words express our thought and put our thoughts into action.

The ugly words I've read on this forum recently can never be taken back. Do you know what chance Hillary has of winning the general election if she wins the Democratic nomination? Zero! A big fat zero! She has so alienated her potential voters with her negative comments that she is finished, one way or the other. She is toast. And I was all prepared to vote for her if she won the nomination. Now, it won't do any good.

[better tomorrow]

79. angry white men

are circulating an email right now under the heading Angry White Men that is organizing to vote against Hillary anyway. You are right, she will be alienated by: Democrats who get disenfranchised if the Superdelegates put her up as the candidate and those angry white men who are circulating the Stop Hillary petitions. These are the same group of men who rallied to elect Bush under the guise of: Nascar fans, Hunters, Small business owners, immigrant haters, Promisekeeper husbands, etc. etc. etc.

Those of you who want Hillary as the candidate had better think twice if you want Bush ideas out of the White House as John McCain will only reinforce them.

I, too, was ready to vote for the "first woman President" but I think that saving the USA comes ahead of gender emotions. That is why I am backing Obama. He doesn't cry.

[LulaMay]

82. He sounds like a disgruntled English teacher! Words without action ARE cheap...

and when he rails on about 'change', and says that Ted Kennedy believes his health care plan will somehow become a universal plan, but never explains how, when analysts say he'll leave out millions of people....

my friends, that's when words are cheap.

[Dave From Canada]

89. Plagiarize is just a word too. YouTube has the proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaOkxbM9dY

[The_Counsel]

101. You Are Aware That Deval Patrick Is One Of Obama's Regional Campaign Managers, No?

Is it really plagarism if Patrick gave both the idea and the OK?

It IS possible, seeing that he's on the team.

[bdamomma]

90. wow.........

Obama kicking a$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kick:

[Lopebalaguer]

104. these borrowed words make Obama seem unauthentic

I don't believe this is plagiarism, of course, but the expectations with Obama are high, specially when it comes to giving speeches. His speeches are supposed to be the best, and he couldn't come up with his own line here.

Add to this the fact that he flip-flopped on campaign finances and we have ourselves a credibility problem.