Woman arrested for DWI, beat by police off camera

[sasquatch]

Run time: 02:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoIRC2Xl1Y   Posted on YouTube: February 20, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 21, 2008 By DU Member: sasquatch Views on DU: 1986

 
*sigh*

[kurth]

1. Cowardly asshole

Why is he not in jail?

[sasquatch]

4. "Why is he not in jail?"

Hello! Cop + Deepsouth = Above the law.

[comradebillyboy]

5. Hello, cop anywhere above the law

police have no real accountability anywhere that I can think of in the United States, except in TV shows about cops.

[sasquatch]

7. Yeah but Southern cops espeacially

Northern for the most part get in trouble for their shenanigans; Southern cops, not so much.

[Diclotican]

2. Scary stuff

Must rembember to stay SOBER next time I visit US then.... So I can not be beaten up..... But then they may claim I am intoxied even that I don't drink at all..

About the tape who was shorting down, and then reopened when she/he was finished.. That alone should give a hand if what really happened that night.. You don't just get two blue ayes, a pile of your own blood and send to a hospital.. In a rom with to stairs... Even a lousy lawyer should manage to give at least the victim of this some money... This is bad...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[izquierdista]

16. Are you crazy?

About visiting the US? I only go there once or twice a year because I have to, and I do my best to be invisible to the police.

[Diclotican]

17. izquierdista

izquierdista

It is so bad in US after 8 year with mr Bush, that you have to stay verry low out of sight of the "radar" just to go by?... That is absolutely scarry...

Maybe I am scary, but I do belive US to be better than this? I can imposible be worse than the old Soviet system can it?

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[izquierdista]

18. Worse? Maybe in some ways

I never traveled in the Soviet Union, although I did have a college professor (of Russian) who told us his interesting stories. The closest I got was a train trip across Belarus, where time has stopped and they just act like it is still part of the Soviet Union. What I do know about travel though, is that you have to be diplomatic and respect the authorities while you try to explain your way out of a situation. I have gotten out of many problems by being "just a dumb foreigner" or by holding my tongue and agreeing to comply with unreasonable requests.
The situation in the United States is scary for a few reasons: (1) you have no idea if the official in question had sour milk in his coffee that morning and is going to take it out on the first person he encounters. That may have something to do with the videos that get posted every so often (too often, IMHO). (2) All law enforcement officials in the United States take the term "enforcement" to heart, especially the 'force' part of the word. They are trained not to back down in ANY situation, not to ask for more facts if challenged, not to start off on a line of reasoning with people they encounter, not to do anything other than focus their attention on making their victim submit and comply. (3) Because of the free availability of firearms in the U.S., they view the general public as being armed and dangerous to approach, and not members of a community of which they, themselves are a part. If stopped by one of the police, the only free pass they issue is to those that are ALSO members of the police. If you can project the police demeanor, speak the police lingo, have some police type attributes (or career military), they will recognize you as one of their own and apply a whole different criteria to the encounter with you. (4)Law enforcement will require blatantly obvious proof, like the videos here, before they discipline one of their own. The proof has to be overwhelming in its clarity or they will explain it away in a manner similar to the way criminals do, the same criminals they deal with on a day to day basis.
At least in the old Soviet system, the militsia had to deal with standing in line for meat and shortages of goods, just like everyone else. If your offense wasn't a political one, then they could be reasoned with for the exchange of some goods they needed.

[Diclotican]

19. izquierdista

izquierdista

Have never been in the Soviet Union, but I do have been to some of the eastern block country, both before the wall and after.. I was young then and possible not the most dangerous of enemies.. But I remember very well that the custom offices was very strict, and you was locking very closely before you was given your passport again.. But as a foreigner in a country in dear need of hard cash, you was pretty well sheltered from some of the more evil types of police I guess.. The officers in the area with the hotels was pretty polite, specially with the kids, they may had some kids on their own so I guess they was polite then.. But for the most part we don't se so much about the police.. But the area was off limits for ordinary citizens, something I believe it to be little weird both then and now.. But after the wall was tearn down, and the freedom was coming all that was over in a heart beat.. But it was AFTER the cold war was over that the Police was coming out in force, to protect the tourist from the bad folks.. The checpoints around the area who the hotels was, was pretty many, and the gun they was using was not beebee guns... Rather the AK47 assult rifle

And the police was too better equipments and use much more force when provoked.. I was never in problems, but I do know a few who was really into police with the bulgarian authority.. And they are not nice when using their battons...

You are coming a long way if you just try to respect the authorities and try to explain, as best you can what happened.. For the most part, in europe I believe, the police have not that "hands on" approach as many other have, and you can reason with them, if you just are calm, and try you best to explain what happened.. Have been into the police once or twice, and everyone they have ben polite, and decent with my.. But then I am very calm when talking to the police.. If you don't respect the person, respect the uniform at least..

Well, a officer have to try to do its best then, if the milk in his coffee was bad. He cant just beat the hell out of the first he encounter.. I really doubt a officer of the law, have the right to just say "I don't like they gay" an then use violence?:. At least it should not be that... I know that if you have a bad day, the temper can blow out even for the most peacefully man.. But for the most part the officers have to give much before they snap..Many officers I know about, are been treated very badly when encounter the public.. Shouting, yelling and disrespect... SO I guess some of them get enough, and then....

It is maybe like you say, but even with the heart of enforcement thing,they have to follow the law.. And if they don't, they are coming into more problems then it was worth I guess.. They SHOULD be asked for more information if challenged, maybe the information they was given was wrong, or misleading?.. Maybe the case was not that bad as it sound in the radio?.. Many police officers are maybe in the wrong line of work, if they don't are to be reason with?.. It is IMPORTANT to learn that you have to get the oversight before you are hitting down the victim.. And I believe that many american officers are using much more force than strictly necessary when arresting people.. But then many people are too using more violence against the police then necessarily too.. But in this case the woman was in no position to resist what the officers wanted to do I guess?...

The gun issue, where you have almost free availability to gun are maybe one of the reason police officers are so hard?. I cant for the best of my life understand the necessarily of claiming right to bear arms everywhere and to use it when threatened.. This is a "silly" system for me, a system I really cant comprehend even that I tried to understand it once.. Ordinary civilians are in no need to have full automatic weapon in the home.. And i doubt that M15 are been used to hung dear or something like that... It is just not the type of weapon...

It must be terrifying to be in a like of work who the only trustworthy is if them you stop are in the same line of work?.. I know that many american are just to trigger happy, and that many police officers die in the line of duty.. But can this fear of everyone else coming because of the almost free weapon laws in many US states?.. I don't know the situation in other european country's but in Norway the law with weapon are one of the strictest in the world, and you can get a stiff fine if you don't follow the regulation.. Maybe even a prison time.. You can clearly NOT drive the car, and have a Shot gun in the back, just to protect yourself against "criminals".. But we have had some bad accident the last couple of year here to.. So not everything is perfect even in a country where you have to be in a hunting club, or a pistol club to get a license to have a firearm.. And then to have it in special lockers to boot...

It is possible that you are right. When you are been teach that everyone else, are dangerous and criminals, it is very easy to use the same thing that criminals are using to try to explain your way out of this type of situations.. It is bad, it should not been happened, and I do hope at least this officer is disciplined as a result.. You don't get two black ayes and been send to hospital for treatment just because you have fallen down... If you are not been beated you are not been locking like that..
But even I know about how to beat the famous hell out of someone, and don't give that result like this man was given a woman. THis man, who beat a woman are just a coward in my book. You just don't BEAT woman, Period!

The same have I encountered in the old eastern block system. If you just help them to get goods they don't have, you was pretty well off.. And it was always a possibility to reason with the authority.. If you treat them well, them treat you well.. And as a foreigner we was given maybe even better treatment then the regular was given...

Home for many year the old folks home was given a Christmas gift for a family we was knowing in Bulgaria.. Some food, soap, and some cloth and its like.. Things they was in deer need of, and who was also possible to get other things when they exchange it for something else.. And it was always given to them.. And we was always given a long letter, in german home after the Holiday where they was thanking for the gifts and so on;).. So our wealth was been given back in some way..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[derby378]

3. Remember, kids, next time someone suggests that only cops should carry handguns...

...just remember that cops are no more human and infallible than the rest of us.

But this particular cop shouldn't just be put in jail. He should be put under the jail.

[comradebillyboy]

6. Its things like this that convince me that citizens need to

be able to protect themselves, with their own guns if necessary, the police certainty won't protect you.

[muyojoe]

9. SHE'S IN A POLICE STATION

Where and how would she have a gun in there? That only leaves your argument as, "if they pull you over for DUI, shoot the officer." I don't think that is a tenable argument. As I told the other mental giant, "this is a case for more cameras, with switches the officer can't turn off."

I think the dad on "Friday" is right. This world is full of punks who can't take an ass whooping. Your first answer to any wrong is, they should have had a gun. Don't worry, the cop probably has the same perspective on your point as you.

[muyojoe]

8. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING

That if she had a gun, she could have fixed this somehow. The guy is a scumbag, but I don't think that if she had tried to shoot him, she would be in a better position.

This might be a case for more cameras, with no way for the officer to turn them off.

[derby378]

13. Slow down a moment...

If you're arrested, the cops are responsible for your safety and well-being. If you are mistreated, they must answer for it in a court of law.

My comment was only about society as a whole. If you thought I was advocating guns for inmates, wow.

[muyojoe]

20. THEN HOW DOES PEOPLE HAVING GUNS

Apply to this situation?

[derby378]

21. Too many people say that only cops should have handguns...

I respect our law enforcment personnel - except for scumbags like the one featured in the OP video above. One of my cousins works with a police department in East Texas. But I think there needs to be equality. We still have the Second Amendment, after all...

Could you ease up on the caps a little?

[muyojoe]

22. i've never said that

I don't own one, but if you can legally own one you are welcome to it. However if you break the law or are suspected of doing so, and they want to place you in custody, then your gun won't really help you. (or anybody else) Guns are really only any good against criminals. The cops have more, and with a radio call can have them at your house or car door. As soon as you use or threaten a cop with a gun, you are automatically in the wrong until you get to trial. (or at least that is the way you will be treated)

Why is everyone so sensitive about caps in subject lines? I don't see the big deal.

[muyojoe]

10. WELCOME TO BUSH'S AMERICA

I swear since 911 this is the way I think all the cops are trained. They've been told they can do whatever they feel necessary, and nobody's going to question it anymore. I don't know how the cop isn't arrested. She should have been able to file assault charges against him at a minimum.

[happygoluckytoyou]

11. IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARD PRACTICE...? ? ?

IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARD PRACTICE, WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THE OFFICER IS ASSIGNED TO A CELL WITH BUBBA, THE 300 POUND BUNDLE OF CORN-HOLING FURY... WHERE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARD PRACTICE, HE IS INTRODUCED TO THE COLORFUL AND EXCITING WORLD OF PILLOW-BITING.

[Limelight]

12. Riddle me this?

The cops are called to a house on a domestic disturbance call. They walk in the house and the woman in the house looks like this woman on the tape... two black eyes, busted lip, swollen face... is there any circumstance under which the guy in the house with her DOESN'T wind up with his punk ass in jail?

Hint: F*CK NO!!!

So let me ask you officer, how did she injure herself exactly? Falling down the stairs or walking into a door? And under what circumstances, if you ever saw this in the field, would you have even entertained the possibility that that the whole "She fall down, go boom" story was anything other than utter and complete bullsh*t?

[sasquatch]

15. Exactly

[CGowen]

14. It looks to me like he threw something on the camera, a jacket maybe n/t