Creationism lecture at University of Florida by a Dr. Kent Hovind

[madfloridian]

Run time: 09:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjv-EDxgP-c   Posted on YouTube: February 21, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 24, 2008 By DU Member: madfloridian Views on DU: 2029

 
It is so weird to watch this and realize it is being taught to our UF students.

It concerned me so I looked him up to see why he was so qualified to conduct a lecture at the U of F.

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2004/08/kent-hovind-and.html

Kent Hovind, the creationist and tax resister, has made only a few cameo appearances on PT, but he was recently the subject of an article in Intelligence Report (Camille Jackson, “When Giants Roamed: A Florida Theme Park Sells Creationism - with an Antigovernment Twist,” Summer, 2004, p. 49), a publication of the Southern Poverty Leadership Center. The New York Times describes Hovind as the operator of a creationist theme park but, unfortunately, in a fairly credulous article, glosses over some of Mr. Hovind’s other activities (Abby Goodnough, “Darwin-Free Fun for Creationists,” May 1, 2004).

Mr. Hovind, also known as Dr. Dino, is a young-earth creationist and runs Creation Science Evangelism, in Pensacola, Florida. He claims to have a doctoral degree from Patriot University in Colorado. If PU is accredited, they hide the fact very well; their “Frequently Asked Questions about ACCREDITATION! ” states in many ways and with many exclamation points why accreditation is not required (http://www.patriotuniversity.com/accreditation.asp…. Brett Vickers, writing for Talk Origins, notes that PU is accredited by an association of theological institutions, which charges $100 for accreditation (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html), but that supposed accreditation is not mentioned on PU’s FAQ page.

More about Hovind here.

http://www.kent-hovind.com/doctor/index.htm

[wolfgangmo]

1. Was this for a class? For credit?

If the answer was yes and the "guest" was anything more than a guest or if any of his material was used in any test for a grade in any way, shape, or form, then the U of F will have a few questions to answer when they come up for reaccreditation.


I am all for the diversity of ideas, but this was a cart blanche lecture as far as I can see.

[madfloridian]

3. I don't know? All I know is what I see at You Tube.

I surely would like to know.

[Bozita]

2. Eight people? OK. Adam and Eve. Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice. Who are the other two?

Another fast talker with a PhD from a diploma mill.

[enki23]

5. he's referring to noah, ham, shem, japheth, and their unnamed wives

presumably only one wife each. (two by two, doncha know. of the unclean animals like humans anyway.) note also that this presumes noah had no daughters, and none of his four sons had any of their own already-born children, even though ole' noah was supposed to have been six hundred years old at the time of the flood. shem was supposed to have been 98. not sure how old the other two "boys" were at that time. they all must have practiced some serious birth control, to have had such a small family in spite of hundreds of years of fertility between them. or they didn't bother with most of the family, i guess.

of course, it's just a fucking fairy tale.

[mwb970]

16. What an absurd thing to even be talking about!

It's like having a deep discussion about Santa's reindeer or the Easter Bunny's basket. Are the students taken in by this crap?

[Drunken Irishman]

4. I have no problem with them teaching creationism, as long as it's an elective course.

Even people want to waste their time and money on that, so be it.

[yellowcanine]

6. When was this? I thought Hovind was still in the slammer for nonpayment of taxes.

[Drunken Irishman]

8. It looks dated and hasn't the earth's population gone beyond 6 billion?

I think I heard him say there are 5 billion people on earth, which means it's highly dated.

[Drunken Irishman]

7. I do have a question, if there were only 8 people alive 4500 years ago...

Wouldn't the population have died out through genetic mutation created by decades/centuries of inbreeding?

[enki23]

9. inbreeding doesn't cause increased rates of mutation.

(at least, not directly.) it simply tends to bring out traits which would normally be "recessive" in a mendelian sense.

of course, it's just a fucking fairy tale.

[Drunken Irishman]

10. Well maybe not mutations, but retardation?

I mean, wasn't there a high number of retardation in many of the old monarchies in Europe?

[gristy]

11. what a hack

The guy states that Homo sapiens can't have been around for millions of years because since we all know that the population increases exponentially.

What a stupid, ignorant hack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture

Agriculture was developed at least 10,000 years ago, and it has undergone significant developments since the time of the earliest cultivation. Evidence points to the Fertile Crescent of the Middle East as the site of the earliest planned sowing and harvesting of plants that had previously been gathered in the wild. Independent development of agriculture occurred in northern and southern China, Africa's Sahel, New Guinea and several regions of the Americas. Agricultural practices such as irrigation, crop rotation, fertilizers, and pesticides were developed long ago but have made great strides in the past century. The Haber-Bosch method for synthesizing ammonium nitrate represented a major breakthrough and allowed crop yields to overcome previous constraints. In the past century agriculture has been characterized by enhanced productivity, the substitution of labor for synthetic fertilizers and pesticides, selective breeding, mechanization, water pollution, and farm subsidies. In recent years there has been a backlash against the external environmental effects of conventional agriculture, resulting in the organic movement.

...

In China, rice and millet were domesticated by 8000 BC, followed by the beans mung, soy and azuki. In the Sahel region of Africa local rice and sorghum were domestic by 5000 BC. Local crops were domesticated independently in West Africa and possibly in New Guinea and Ethiopia. Evidence of the presence of wheat and some legumes in the 6th millennium BC have been found in the Indus Valley. Oranges were cultivated in the same millennium. The crops grown in the valley around 4000 BC were typically wheat, peas, sesame seed, barley, dates and mangoes. By 3500 BC cotton growing and cotton textiles were quite advanced in the valley. By 3000 BC farming of rice had started. Other monsoon crops of importance of the time was cane sugar. By 2500 BC, rice was an important component of the staple diet in Mohenjodaro near the Arabian Sea. By this time the Indians had large cities with well-stocked granaries. Three regions of the Americas independently domesticated corn, squashes, potato and sunflowers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_population


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

[Hissyspit]

12. The guy's an idiot.

[DUlover2909]

13. This guy isn't speaking science.

He's selectively citing facts that support an ideology. I have a degree in physics and I never had a professor bring out a newspaper to make a point. We started with known principles and work out the math to make a hypothesis, then we proceeded to experimentation. He starts with dogma laid out in a non-scientific text and searches for anecdotal evidence to support it. His idea is full of assumptions. One assumption is that all population growth models work the same way.

Trying to argue with this deluded fool would be like arguing with Archie Bunker. Pointless.

[izquierdista]

14. He doesn't know about dense??

About 5:20 in, he says "I don't know about dense..."

Well, I do, I know dense when I see it! Thick as an oak stump with the voice of a car salesman.

[and-justice-for-all]

15. Rubbish...

Another fundi trying desperatly to get more people convinced that his fairy tale fantasy is true/real. poor bastard.

[mwb970]

17. What a load of bilge.

This man is an embarrassment to himself and doesn't even know it. How typical.

[Enthusiast]

18. I like the way he says Water. Idiot! nt

[Unca Jim]

19. Yeah...

it's the same kind of random scientific facts strung together in a tenuous web to get a totally unsupportable conclusion I see all the time on the Internet. They usually disprove their own conclusion during the ramble.

My favorite part: He painstakingly explains that technological advances allow for a greater human population in the 1600s, then later can't figure out why world population didn't increase sooner.

Priceless.

[madfloridian]

20. This is Patriot University? A bible college for long distance learning?

http://www.patriotuniversity.com/PriceOfTruth.htm

Look at the pictures. Which is real?

Also I guess just anyone can be accredited now.


http://www.patriotuniversity.com/accreditation.htm

[JoePhilly]

21. It's interesting how he choices which scientific evidence to accept and which to reject.

Any scientific evidence that supports his claim is GOOD science ... the rest is bad science.

Too funny.