Can you please read and let me know what you think?

[Inuca]

A post of mine http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4190769&mesg_id=4193620 in GDP. No big deal, but something I feel very strongly about, and that I keep obsessing about these last few painful days. And I would be interested in seeing what more kindred spirits thing about all this.

[karynnj]

1. I agree with you

The Clintons are losing any integrity and soul they had left with this scorched earth campaign.

In addition to making race an issue, they have hit an issue that has hurt the African American people more than anyone else - voter intimidation and suppression. Their vote has ALWAYS been the most likely to have been "lost". The Clintons blatantly tried to suppress votes in NV - that suit would have made Blackwell proud. Then, when people saw the connection to the Clintons helped by BC's rant, they fabricated claims that Obama was suppressing the vote! How Rovian can you get. They absolutely don't care that in this one, small state where the party establishment was Clinton's they have given the Republicans the ability to call us the party guilty of election fraud.

So, it is not just Obama, who loses. Clinton is throwing the African American community under the bus. What that means is they will do so to anyone and everyone in their way.

I saw a post on GD-P of a Vermonter, happy VT is so blue - she doesn't have to vote for HRC. With everything in the last few weeks, I may be with her - though NJ is not as blue - though it is blue enough. It also concerns me that the entire party may have to defend the indefensible at times - and I resent that good people will, for good reasons - the environment, Iraq, health care etc - will be forced to do this for this pair of ingrates.

[Inuca]

2. It's more than

throwing the AA community under the bus. It is my dream too. In a different way I guess, but I feel thrown under the bus as well. And as I said elsewhere I think, the way they are morphing Obama's vision of inclusion into its very opposite should be used by Rove as a case study in his future textbook on dirty politics (tentative title "Throwing up is a pleasure when you win")

[YvonneCa]

3. Inunca, I think it is...

Rovian political tactics: Exploiting a known division (existing gender bias, racism, position on abortion, etc.) in order to win. It's what Karl Rove excelled at, and helped Bush (and many others) to do. The Clintons (who I think have been and can be great leaders) are using these 'tried and true'...but now old politics...strategies to win. Kerry and Obama share the new philosophy that the politics of division are wrong and they hurt the country, and they are calling the Clintons on it (which I'm sure the Clintons don't like).

For me, the main reason we need to do away with Rovian tactics is their divisiveness...which lasts long beyond any primary or general election, and keeps the country from uniting afterward to solve our problems...leading to gridlock. The many years of Rovian tactics hurt the country, they hurt the candidates, they hurt the groups singled out, they hurt our Democratic party (and the media LOVE the show, and make money covering it instead of issues)...and they hurt people like us who want to respect our former President...who was a good (not perfect) President...and don't want to give help to Republicans who have always enjoyed and made sport out of trashing him. We all lose with Rovian politics.

[Inuca]

4. The Rovian approach to politics

in a roundabout fashion seems to have even hurt the republicans, not all of whom are pure evil.

[YvonneCa]

5. I agree...

...that it has hurt them, too. Years ago...tactics used by both parties were probably not scrutinized so closely by the general public. I think (but have no way of knowing) that maybe it was easier to keep it hidden.

Now, technology has made hiding tactics impossible...the truth comes to light sooner. That's good....but it's another reason in support of "Truth is the American bottom-line"...to quote a famous tall Senator. :7

[Tulkas]

6. Exactly

Race is (supposed to be) a non-issue.


"judged not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character"



But when you do use that standard in this primary campaign there is a clear winner, and it isn't Hillary.