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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:20 PM
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Video assignment for the tech savvy - Clintons are pushing super delegates to fear
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 05:07 PM by blm
the Pastor Wright 'conspiracy' remarks saying they will be used against Obama in the GE.

But think of THIS - they'll use it anyway against HER - they can play that video clip and then cut to the video clip of hillary on the Senate floor holding up the newspaper headline that said BUSH KNEW after the release of some 9-11 info in May 2002.

Many of us believed MIHOP or LIHOP. And Clinton flirted with it herself - not that she followed through, but the pictures do exist of her feeble attempt to score with the blogs.

Anyone who can piece that together would neutralize the Clinton camp and their attempts to use Wright with the superdelegates.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:28 PM
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1. What does MIHOP or LIHOP stand for? nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:54 PM
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5. Made It Happen On Purpose. Let It Happen On Purpose. Most here were LIHOP
with quite a few LIHOPs. When the 9-11 report came out a number of LIHOPs changed their position to MIHOP.

All the longtime DUers, including Will Pitt, were part of these discussions - and they were CONSTANT here. Till the 9-11 forum went up.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:31 PM
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7. here's an old DU poll thread someone located for me in GDP.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:28 PM
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2. You know, I don't understand why someone doesn't bring up the late Jerry Falwell.
He wa a preacher who preached politics and said outrageous things from the pulpit. Repubs all pandered to him for years. No one accused them of exercising bad judgment. Then we have Pat Robertson who could visit the Pres anytime he wanted and boy is he kooky.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:30 PM
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3. Sadly, the difference is they're white. It is hard to grapple with the
fact that some racism is at play here, but it is. I think the sexist claims by the Clinton supporters were phantom incidences (just did not happen), but the racism -- well, it is plain to see now, permeating from the Right.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:46 PM
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4. I'm coming to realize that racism plays a HUGE part here.
Two weeks ago, I wouldn't have believed it, but now I'm convinced that a black man standing at a pulpit preaching scares the living shit out of some people. I think there's a subconcious, at best, fear of a black person who can rally people and get them excited, who speaks with the passion that Rev. Wright shows. If it wasn't that, we wouldn't be *CONSTANTLY* seeing the clips. We might hear the term "inflamitory rhetoric" over and over, but not actually see the clips, at least not constantly. Everyone's seen them by now, why continue to show them non-stop.

I really think (some) people are saying, "Watch out Martha, those negros are getting outta hand again!"

David
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:57 PM
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8. I agree with you there- at least where the right is spinning this.
Bringing up every controversial Black leader in recent history and trying to assert some connection to Senator Obama. And, then Hannity had people calling up gripping about reverse discrimination and being victims of affirmative Action.
Wow, and this is not even the general election yet. This all makes me wonder why they are pushing so hard against Obama in a primary they should not have a role in but do. Could there be some Clinton involvement? Or, is this about saving their shows from the Fairness Doctrine?
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:45 PM
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9. white, yes, and also Republican. IOKIYAAR, ya know. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:01 PM
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6. No kidding. The material is definitely there. But this is Hillary herself.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 06:01 PM by blm
It's actually the best moment she ever had in the senate, in my opinion, and she was implying no different than the implications in Wright's remarks about 9-11.

I can't post videos or pics without mr blm, so I can only remember that they exist, and hope someone else posts them.
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:00 AM
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10. someone did in this article on the Gather site
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977288378

WHITE ON WRIGHT : AS IF WE SHOULD TALK

<snip>The crux of all this indignant fury over Rev. Wright's sermons seems to be that they are specifically "un-American" in their fiery, pulpit-powered rhetoric; as one Gatherer so succinctly put it, "those comments are just plain WRONG!" Wrong indeed, we won't for a moment excuse the deep wrongness in Rev. Wright's fury, however racially justified that fury may be. But shouldn't we view anything said from the pulpit through a like lens when scrambling up on our soapbox to denounce the sermon and its source? Not once in a particular and heated debate over this issue here on Gather has anyone mentioned Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson -- sermonizers both, and with audiences that are orders of magnitude larger than anything the good Rev. Wright could hope to reach -- and their very Christian comments following 9/11. How "American" is it for a corpulent, filthy-rich, pinheaded white guy -- a man that has benefited in every conceivable way from his doughy whiteness, from his mock-Christianity, from collecting the pennies and dimes of a gullible flock, this Capitalist in Celebrant's clothing -- to say of his country following the attacks in New York and D.C., "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians...the ACLU, People for the American Way...I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'" (Jerry Falwell, from a story by Diana L. Eck.)<snip>

<snip>None of this, of course, has anything to do with Barack Obama. If we are to be held personally accountable in matters of judgment or fidelity by the company we keep, not a one of us would be suited to condemn the other. Do we believe Barack Obama worships a furious god intent on the destruction of America for the sins of its past? We do not. Do we believe a man that has run such a near-perfect campaign for the highest office in the land could possibly achieve such success were he victim or villain, prey to some greedy pastor's calculating wrath? We do not. We take Senator Obama at his word that his is a lasting and important friendship with Rev. Wright, and -- adults that we are -- we understand that two grown men can hold opposing viewpoints and remain close spiritual partners. We don't excuse Rev. Wright's incendiary comments, nor could we possibly understand them, being none of us black Americans. But neither do we pretend to a sanctity that permits impotent, institutionalized white rage to divide America against its other minorities now that the Book that guides them can no longer impel the slavery that is our country's Original Sin.

And we do not fear.<snip>



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