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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:22 AM
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This group is supportive and I feel like venting...
some frustration I'm having with the Obama campaign. First, I will never leave Obama and come out for Hillary. Obama will be a wonderful president if he is elected and Hillary is totally unacceptable. As some of you may know I'm an old Howard Dean supporter from '04, and one of the things I loved about Dean is that he really fought and took no prisoners. Of course, that was Howard Dean and how he did things and Barack Obama is a different person. Still, having said that, I would really like to see more passion from Obama. He is cool and I admire that, but this is the presidency of the United States and I think he has to begin fighting and demonstrating that he really wants to win. He is being pummelled every day by Hillary or the media on this Pastor Wright situation. If Wright had left it with his Bill Moyers interview of Friday night I think it wouldn't be a big issue, but he's on a huge media blitz and he's not being helpful to Barack. I don't know what Obama can do about that. He has to change the dialouge of this campaign some how or he's going to lose Indiana. He won't lose the nomination, but if he keeps losing states to Hillary he will be a weakened nominee. He has to try to some way make Hillary the issue. But he's being clobbered every day by the media. It's reminding me of the way they ultimately brought down Dean. Of course Obama has been a stronger candidate than Dean, but I think many of his supporters and some of the super delegates want to see if he has any fight in him. They want to see if he can respond quickly especially when he goes up against McCain.

There that's my vent...you're comments?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:33 AM
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1. Well, I am avoiding TV news, because I think it is so ridiculous
the way they act like Hillary has a chance, which she doesn't. But, I can tell you that Wright really showed big time how he and Obama have little in common. Wright himself provided an argument for us. Here is what it is: "Wright threw Obama under the bus in April." That is the truth, and even honest conservatives agree. It is clear to me that Obama does not equal Wright. Never has, never will. For me, the Wright issue is over. They came together with one thing in common: the idea that faith alone is not enough -- you need to do good works. Well, Obama clearly has different ideas now of what "good works" are than Wright. The break between them is complete.

For Obama, well, I am sure he is thinking through what to do. I do know that many in the AA community are repulsed by what Wright did, but there are vocal people who go on TV, who might end up defending Wright if Obama kicks it up a notch. Maybe that is a good thing, I don't know. But this needs to be dealt with delicately, so I think it better that Obama and his advisers mull over what to do than make a mistake.

I am still confident that Obama will do very well on May 6th.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:57 PM
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6. I am too
Even the campaign blog has been upbeat at times, but it's been pessimistic since PA (understandably so).
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:16 AM
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2. here is an April 4 oped that speaks to me
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 10:17 AM by MBS
from Mark Morford , whose pieces I've earlier known (and enjoyed) as biting, satirical, cynical gems on Bush et al.
Here's a different side of him, a side, I'll propose, that has been brought out by Obama. Whenever I get the most anxious and nervous and depressed about this election, to things give me hope for the election and the future of our country: (a) that, whatever else is going on, Obama has a quality that seems to bring out the best in people (see: contrast with HRC supporters, especially on this blog) and (b)
the eagerness of so many people to listen to Barack's message, and to respond, to that message. Well, see Morford's piece. He says it well.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/04/04/notes040408.DTL


By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

April 4, 2008

Nope, it's not what you might think. The best thing about Barack Obama has almost nothing to do with him as a person or as a leader or even as Oh My God The First Black President Who Could Really Change Everything I Mean Wow. It's not even the wondrous oratory power or the charisma or the sweet sense of deeper change overlaid with all kinds of sparkly utopian futuriffic goodness.

There is, I think, something more. Something richer. And it's rather startling.

See, I've read the profiles and the liberal fawnings and the intelligent analysis, the attempted takedowns and the right-wing smears, all the valiant attempts to dig up something dirty or problematic or frightening about Obama and his family, his past, his middle name, his beliefs and his pastor and his favorite flavor of ice cream — attempts that, rather amusingly, have all failed.

I've read, too, the glut of wonderment, how Obama is this generation's JFK, how he makes Hillary Clinton's brand of retro cronyist politics feel like the equivalent of rubbing salt on a paper cut. He is, they say, that once-in-a-lifetime candidate, a fantastically rare mix of intelligence, consistency, inspiration, hope, charisma, humanity, articulation, and an almost shocking lack of manipulation and sheen (well, relatively speaking), all packaged in a strikingly handsome unit in whose closet apparently live almost no skeletons at all.

I also nodded in agreement when snark-master Jon Stewart appeared slightly stunned and taken aback and very nearly jokeless as he pointed out, following Obama's remarkable speech on race in America, that at long last, here was a top-tier politician who dared to speak to us like we were adults. It wasn't just refreshing; after seven-plus years of humiliating, monosyllabic dumb-guy Bushisms, it was downright jarring.

And I even enjoyed the overall assessment that the fact that Obama is untested and inexperienced in the higher and more dire realms of government is actually a good thing, just the kind of wild card we crave and need, given how he shows absolutely zero signs that he'd screw it up, not to mention how the last thing anyone really wants is more of the same old-school, inbred crap we've had for decades.

Still, this wasn't what riveted me the most about Obama, still not what's most fascinating about this moment in political history. It was still something more.

Initially I thought the most impressive aspect of Obama's run was, well, how the guy made it this far at all. That someone of his caliber and obvious intelligence could survive what has become a truly caustic, brutal political system and still emerge into the international spotlight as, well, not deeply f—ed-up and insane, not possessing that creepy demonic gleam shared by so many politicos (hi, Sen. McCain!) that suggests they've had souls eaten whole by the same scabrous trolls of greed and war and corruption that birthed two Bushes and gave Bill Clinton that nearly intolerable aura of ego and slickness.

See, I've long believed that, if nearly eight years of the World's Worst President has taught us anything, it's that the American political system has moved well beyond merely deeply flawed and broken and sad, and is now wholly rotted, ruined from the inside out, a true moral wasteland barely suitable even for cockroaches and leeches and Rick Santorum. I thought George W. Bush had actually managed to do the impossible: make an already defective system truly unbearable, turning something already gray and murky to turgid and pathetic, toxic to all decent human life.

And I'm happy to report that the fact that Obama exists at this stage of the game is proving me very wrong indeed.

But I'll even take it a step further. Because the greatest thing about Obama isn't really about Obama at all, per se. It's actually about, well, us.

This is the great revelation: We still got it. The collective unconscious, the deep sense of inner wisdom, that intuitive knowing that borders on a kind of mystical proficiency, where millions of people can actually look beyond rhetoric and media spin and merely feel the presence of something great in the room? Yep, still there. Who knew?

See, this is what I hear most from relatives and readers and friends and newborn activists who were never activists before: Obama speaks to the intuition. It's about the sixth sense. It's not just what he says or how he behaves in the debates or the policy wonking or the "Change" banners or any of the typical, tangible factors — although those have proven to be remarkably positive, too.

It's this: People feel it. They hear an Obama speech or read the articles or talk to like-minded folk, and they squint their eyes and weigh everything and then dismiss all that surface crap and get that look on their face that says, you know what? This guy gets it. He feels right. It's not a trick of light. It's not complete bulls—. It's not the usual spin and manipulation and fakery. There is actual meat on this bone. What a thing.

Of course, I've plenty of readers who are die-hard cynics and jaded anarchists who say: What the f— is wrong with you? Can't you see it's just another vicious ploy? All candidates at this level are essentially the same, interchangeable, all abhorrent simply by default because when you reach that stage of the game there is simply no way to avoid deep corruption and rampant lies. They tell me that even just to write a column like this is akin to merely washing the windows in your little pod in "The Matrix." Sure, the world may seem shinier, but you're still just buying into the same old revolting corporate/military machine.

After all, once the vipers of big money and big oil and military spending and corporate cronyism get their fangs sunk in, it's pretty much "game over" for any candidate's remaining integrity. Has Mr. Perfect Obama spoken out against the insidious Patriot Act or taken on the absurd farm subsidies or talked up issues of global warming? No he has not. As nice and smart as he may be, strip away all the fawning and the oratory tricks and give him a year in office and boom, just another corrupted, compromised former visionary. Right?

Whatever. I'm not buying it. At least, not yet. For the moment, I trust the collective intuition. I trust the shockingly widespread sense, not merely of hope and change, but of collective wisdom swimming though the air like an electrical surge between every smart, creative person on the planet right now, a bolt of energy that says: Hey, we're still together. We still got it. Smart, intuitive people are still a force. There is life in the revolution yet.

And Obama? He gets it, too. Hell, he may have kindled it anew, all by himself. Either way, it's back. And it's powerful. And that, to me, is the most hopeful thing of all.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:31 AM
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17. This is absolutely BRILLIANT !!!
My feelings, exactly! Thanks for this MBS!:hug:
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:48 PM
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3. a glimpse into the RW radio world this morning
I was in the car and thought, what the hell. Turned on the local RW station. Some local female talker was saying that she now would love to have McCain run against Obama because of this. She gleefully repeated Wright but distorted what he was saying--said that he said that Blacks are genetically different than Whites which causes them to clap to music differently. :eyes: I don't think this will make a bit of difference, except to make the Righties feel over-confident about a run against Obama as the nominee.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:37 PM
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4. A very useful conversation we could have had
But it's got to be reduced to political potshots, even by people in our own party. What a pathetic country we are. He never said blacks were genetically different than whites, he said there were different learning styles. Are people really so ignorant that they don't know there is such a thing as right and left brain learning. I'm disgusted.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:12 PM
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5. Three Reasons
There are three main reasons (beyond Obama's own personality) why he must be careful about how he campaigns.

First he risks being portrayed as an angry black man. We've already seen the Clintons try to make race an issue and scare voters.

Secondly if he comes off as too much of a fighter while campaigning it could appear to contradict his theme as running as someone who can get past the political battles of recent years.

Thirdly, now that he has probably won the nomination, he must also look ahead to uniting the party. Attacking Clinton too hard could make that more difficult. Clinton doesn't care as much because, being behind, she must risk everything to try to get back into the race. (Plus this is more in line with her character, or lack of character.)

Obama must walk a fine line on these points. So far he has been doing well--moving well ahead of Clinton despite trying not to be too much of a fighter.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:58 PM
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7. I agree, unfortunately I think the Clinton's have been able to marginalize Obama
to a certain degree as "the black candidate"--he is no longer expanding with white voters. He routinely wins 90% or more of the black vote and maybe 35% of the white vote, of course, that is much better than Jackson or Sharpton ever did, but I wish he would start getting a bigger share of the white vote. Finally, if it's close in a state like NC the story the media and everybody begins to put out is that he is weakened.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:05 PM
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8. Fortunately it is probably too late to matter
To some degree Obama is marginalized but he still will probably win the nomination. Besides, Clinton has also become marginalized. What we are seeing is greater realization that there are differences between the candidates, and a division within the party, after months of the MSN incorrectly claiming there is no difference. Each candidate has a portion of the party supporting and not supporting them.

Whoever wins will next work at unifying the party--and most likely it will be Obama who gets the party to unify around him. It would be better if this race would end soon since McCain is receiving a tremendous head start. He also had to unify the party but was able to do this while Obama and Clinton were still fighting. Now he can concentrate on the general election race while the Democrats won't be able to do that for a while. Fortunately attacking McCain can be worked into a primary strategy so it isn't all or none.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:03 PM
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13. "MSN incorrectly claiming there is no difference"
Like most things I hear first out of the mouths of HRC supporters, it validates my now, long standing view that Clinton is able to dictate the media story. She concocts some loony case that she's actually winning, or can win, or that there's no difference between the two, or that she's not an elitist, et al... and it's reported on as being serious, and possibly credible.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:00 PM
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10. It depends on which state you look at
In the west, he does well with white voters. In the east, not so much. It could be historic racial conflict. It could be Catholic brainwashing by O'Reilly and Hannity. It could be an older population. It's probably a combination. I imagine once he finishes the primary, he'll turn his attention to older Americans and continue trying to bridge the gaps.
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:10 PM
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15. Just a few thoughts on white voters
Remember that Obama wiped the floor with Hillary in Wisconsin and that should have been Hillary's state all the way ... very white, large numbers of blue collar workers ...

And in Pennsylvania and Ohio, Hillary had the state party machine in her corner, so Obama's people didn't have an easy time of it. In each case, Obama took a good chunk out of her 20-point leads.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:53 PM
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11. This is exactly right
It will be an entirely different field in the GE campaign.

He is trying to be cool to unite the party after its over.


I think he is still smarting from that "your liked enough" comment to Hillary. He has a sharp sense of humor and is trying to control what he says so he doesn't appear to be an 'angry black man'.

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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:59 PM
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9. I was a big Dean supporter too
I still like him and wish he would have had a chance to do more in 2004. What do you think about the press conference today? I thought he showed a lot of angry passion about how he felt about feeling betrayed by Rev. Wright. He was more forceful than I had seen him get before. IMO, he went a long way toward shutting up the media feeding frenzy that has been going on for days. I hope the MSM will shut the hell up and move on to another topic, oh I don't know, maybe the war or the economy or something else unimportant. :sarcasm:
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:33 AM
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12. Obama seems tired to me right now
Or maybe it's me that's tired, wiped out by this whole thing, so I'm reflecting that myself. I dunno.

But I agree, he's just not on his best game right now, and it's hard to watch. I wanna see a bit more fire.

And I desperately want a nap.

March was so much fun.

David
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:16 PM
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14. I actually think he's been great the last two days
At his press conference on Wright, he looked saddened, but also determined, determined to win the right and honorable way, determined to tell the truth, and, yes, fired up.
New gas-price ad is great, by the way. I was already an Obama supporter, but my admiration for him has grown over the last few days.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:09 AM
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16. He's In a Prevent Defense
He seems tired because it is late in the 4th quarter and, having the lead, Obama has gone into a prevent defense. Clinton, being behind, is forced to gamble and pursue an aggressive office--but one that is doomed to fail.
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