Here's a Question (or an Idea): Could Bush and/or Cheney be removed due to them being INSANE???

[Up2Late]

Sorry, I hate using the word "insane," but I couldn't fit the longer, more politically correct "Could Bush and/or Cheney be removed due to the fact that they are psychopathic liars and have lost all touch with reality and or any sense of the "will of the People..." (or something along those lines) in the space for the headline.

Isn't there SOMETHING along those lines, written into the Constitution or legal precedence, that would help us out of this Constitutional Crisis?!? :shrug: Please note that this would be slightly different from the more common, but often misunderstood, process of "Impeachment," which is actually only the passage of, by the House of Representatives, a final list of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors," which is then sent to the Senate for further action. So is there a process for removal of "The President" or Vice-President for non-criminal, but mentally incapable reasons?

I mean, if you accept what some here say (and most Republicans say they believe) that Bush/Cheney are NOT habitual liars, just "leaders" who "...know something that only they know..." What that is, I haven't a clue.

Personally, I think it could be argued that they are just caught in such a complex web of lies, they know longer know what the truth is. So, at what point does a liar lie so much that they lose all touch with reality and no longer know what the truth is? And does that inability to distinguish or understand the truth ever cross the reality/non-reality line to become clinical or psychosis?

I probably don't have the the clinical diagnosis correct, so if you can come up with (or make up) a better analysis of these two, feel free to add your diagnosis. I feel they are clearly psychopathic liars, at least, though both demonstrate a lack of empathy or remorse for all the deaths, both directly (70 pen raised Quayle on single "Hunting Trip" and record # of Texas and Federal Executions) and indirectly (300,000-500,000+ Iraqis, 3000+ U.S. Troops, so far) that their actions and decisions have caused, you could probably add killers to the list too, but I'm not doctor and don't claim to be an expert.

AND, even if this wouldn't result in Bush/Cheney's removal from office, would starting a debate, in this 24/7 Cable "news" cycle world, be worth pushing the "Bush/Cheney (and Republicans in general) lie about everything and/or have lost touch with reality..." debate, to try to get Fox "news" and the so-called MSM, back on the defensive, forcing them to defend and explain how these are not the actions of "leaders" who should be removed?


NOTE: I do know the difference between a person with a medically treatable "Mental Illness" (like Mania, Depression, Bi-polar, Schizophrenia, etc.) which are currently treatable, or are conditions that we are currently learning how to treat with the current and emerging medications and treatment methods, and a psychopath (the Charles Manson and/or serial killer type person) who, if truly a psychopath, are not currently treatable with the current medications. Several members of my family are currently in treatment, including my Brother, who, for 30 years, struggled to find the correct treatments for him to live a normal life. The last five (5) years, he has been doing fairly well with his current treatments.

[ChickMagic]

1. In order to remove a president for medical reasons

the Cabinet has to initiate it. Since they are bootlicking
loyalists, it will never happen. Bush certainly isn't going
to volunteer.

[atreides1]

3. Very true

But you would think that after all this time they'd get tired of that waxy taste and the black
smudges that it leaves around their lips?

I guess it's better being a boot licker then the alternative?

[ChickMagic]

7. You'd think, wouldn't you?

They're either pod people or CHUD.

[4 t 4]

4. I said that months ago

and I really meant it. I think * really and truly needs to be evaluated ? Has it ever happened before that someone that held that office was found incompetent if so why can't someone in office raise the issue?

[Bill McBlueState]

2. see the 25th amendment

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am25.html

It's pretty easy to find the Constitution online when you're not sure about what it says.

[bdamomma]

5. it would be great if all of us starting saying this invoke the

25th, and in regards to Cheney, I hope Fitz calls him to testify. bush and cheney down with one fast swoop.

[4 t 4]

8. dupe sorry

[4 t 4]

9. All That states is

If he's found incompetent Not how to find out if he's incompetent!

[Up2Late]

12. Yes, I think that is meant to refer to someone having a stroke or falling into...

...a coma, so that brings us to one of my questions, which I think you get to, "What about mental incompetence due to a degenerative brain disorder?" like Alzheimer's or whatever they call that problem that former heavy drinkers get when they get older.

This IS a problem that, with Presidential Candidates getting older (like John McCain who is 70 years old this year), is something that should be planned for regardless.

[Up2Late]

10. Yes, but as I'm sure you know, we have people we refer to as "Constitutional Scholars..."

...which I'm definitely not one, for this type of question. So I'm hoping to get the opinions of some of the people here who are, or are at least are much smarted and/or more experienced with this type of question, to give their interpretation of this very complex problem.

[Double T]

6. The psychopathy of the ENTIRE WH, made up of executive psychopaths.......

and cabinet psychopaths and henchmen, will allow the total insanity to endure. Impeachment is our ONLY hope for ridding our nation of these parasites.

[Homer Wells]

11. My opinion of this whole administration

rests on one simple premise.

The energy corporations (of which the BFEE is a major part), are throwing a smoke screen of lies and deceptions at the American people, (and at the whole world, for that matter) in an attempt to hide this one basic fact:

It is in the Western powers interest to secure the Middle East oil fields for our use, and to keep it out of the hands of others who would deprive us of its use.

The lives of our citizens, the values of our American Constitution and the very liberties of the Free (?) World, all are swept aside as irrelevant .

The values we all hold dearly pale to the interests of the energy corporations, and this will continue until when (or if) enough people realize their deceit and say

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

I sincerely hope that day will come sooner than later.

Insane?? I think not!

Depraved and Indifferent??

Ya you betcha!

[Up2Late]

13. Kick n/t

:kick:

[Mind_your_head]

14. It's extremely difficult to find someone 'mentally incompetent'

thank goodness for that. B/C I have fought off evil relatives who wanted to charge a rich elderly relative with 'incompetence' to 'handle' her affairs.

Btw, I don't/won't get anything monetary from this woman....but I was/am her advocate. And there are unbelievably greedy people out there (extremely RICH people out there) who just want M O R E..........

[Up2Late]

16. Wow, that's a bummer...

...the first part, not the second.

Why do I get the feeling like I should say something like what they would say in 1975 episode of Scoobi Doo?

Something like, "...but we gotta try something!"

[Mind_your_head]

17. LOL @ the 'Scoobi Doo' reference

Yeah, we must get congress to 'DO' something, that's for sure!

Btw, regarding "the first part"....there was a WONDERFUL (Dem) attorney out there who helped this elderly woman to get out from the clutches of those evil greedy relatives, but it was UNBELIEVABLE what those relatives put the poor woman through. I understand that that attorney is now a judge AND I also understand that he likes to read DU! (I wonder how THAT happened ;-))

[MoseyWalker]

15. A danger to himself and/or others?

You decide!