On KO now....45,000 more troops???

[Holly_Hobby]

Earlier today, "Daveparts" wrote in Editorials: You Say You Want A Revolution?

"So let’s get a couple million folks and march on D.C. Ok, but first we need permits and parade routes and understandings and regulations just like the first American Revolution right? “Yes sir, I’d like to apply for a permit to dress as Indians and throw tea into the harbor is this the correct office?” If you want to start a revolution you must do things they don’t like not things they will agree too! Recently 500,000 marched for Peace in Washington with the net affect of …Zip! Now hypothetically had 10% of those marchers blocked interstate highways in major cities across America on a Monday morning with banners that said stop the WAR Now! Would the public have gotten the picture? Would the media have covered the event a little more closely? If we then said we would continue to do it every week unannounced until the troops came home would that have a little more impact than marching on Washington?"

Let's do something about this war - now. Please.

[babylonsister]

1. You know what? That is an EXCELLENT idea. It definitely would

garner media attention by snarling traffic, though the anti-war activists would most assuredly get a bum rap for doing so.
I agree we need to do something to get everyone's immediate attention.:-(

[Holly_Hobby]

3. I'm prepared to go to jail to stop this war

Are you? (rhetorically) Or do you have an excuse?

[babylonsister]

5. I am not willing to go to jail only because no one,

including/especially my DH, would bail me out. But I did go to DC, and I do think the citizens need to make enough noise for someone to hear and listen.

[Holly_Hobby]

12. No offense intended

But, if you were to go to jail for a war protest, it wouldn't take long for DU to raise your bail money. Are you in?

[bdamomma]

50. that sounds reasonable to me, we should stick up for our own

or should I say support them.

[TahitiNut]

19. The questions are ...

... how many are willing to accept a HIGH (10-40%) risk of going to jail? how many are willing to accept a MODERATE (4-10%) risk of being injured? how many are willing to accept a LOW (0.1-2%) risk of being killed?

IMHO, it'll take large (50,000+) groups willing to accept those risks engaging in non-violent civil disobedience.

Out of a group of 50,000, perhaps 5,000 might be detained, 2,000 injured (some seriously enough to require treatment), and 50 might be killed. History shows that only when non-violent civil disobedience provokes such retaliation from the police/military does the 'cause' gain traction.

[Holly_Hobby]

20. I'm in. Are you? n/t

[TahitiNut]

22. Of course. Since 12/12/2000, as a matter of fact.

:shrug:

[Holly_Hobby]

25. That's 3 out of 100,000 DU'ers. We're making progress. n/t

[itsmesgd]

26. where's the meetup

and can we work on a secure form of communication. I feel a tad exposed

[Holly_Hobby]

30. Here's how we do it

Scanned documents can't be cracked. No phone, email or snail mail. All correspondence has to be scanned as an attachment. We need a rep in each large city. I'll take Detroit.

[Holly_Hobby]

21. One more question - is stopping traffic violent? n/t

[TahitiNut]

24. Nope.

[Sydnie]

52. I sat my family down a little over two years ago

and told them all then that I was willing to give my life for the cause of freedom and for all of their civil rights. They know I was and still am serious about that discussion.

I don't think any change will actually come about until we have a domestic body count. I am not willing to ask anyone else to do what I am not willing to do, but I would be happy to have others, that feel as I do, join me in this fight.

[TahitiNut]

54. That's my attitude to a "T" ...

I refuse to be a spectator in my own governance. I refuse to ask more of others than I demand of myself. That would be cowardly. I wouldn't be willing to live with that.

You're exactly right, imho. We cannot regain our democracy "until we have a domestic body count." It's exactly that serious.

[Holly_Hobby]

18. A bum rap?

How about our troops coming home with alot more than a bum rap?

Edited for spelling.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Yeah; how about that?

Seems Shrub sort of forgot to mention that the 20,000 or so troops in the "surge" were only the actual combat troops. He sort of forgot to add that there would be at least as many support troops (who also get injured and killed).

:nuke:

[Lefty-Taylor]

4. Thank you, Holly. Although I was too young for the Vietnam protests, I'm convinced (as are some

historians) that the so-called "outrageous" demonstrations in the 60's and 70's helped end that war in a way "calm" protests could not.

[Holly_Hobby]

7. The time for calmness has long passed

I was 13 in 1969, carrying signs with my parents.

[itsmesgd]

6. Upon hearing this...the Senate non-binding resolution will be in ALL CAPS

oooooo scary

[Holly_Hobby]

9. So what are you going to do about it?

I don't intend to offend you, but it's going to take more than what we're doing now. Are you in?

[itsmesgd]

15. believe me or not, but I'm ready to take the next step...

and I'm not talking about a virtual march or a letter writing campaign. Mika Malloy says that there are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. I screamed, voted, and have sat on a jury (it was a civil car wreck case, but still) already. I am ready for the movement.

[Holly_Hobby]

17. Great! We have 2 out of 100,000 DU'ers n/t

[MissWaverly]

35. I dunno

I think the next step should be impeach, and we can't do that, we have to get the
Congress on board with that, investigation and impeachment proceedings, there's buckets
of illegality to be used as grounds.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. Oh, funny and sad.

MKJ

[MissWaverly]

8. and he's going to need billions more than he requested

ummmmm, errrrrr, must have just slipped his mind.

[Holly_Hobby]

10. See Post #9, thanks n/t

[babylonsister]

11. Yep. Just posted this in LBN ironically, or not:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070201/pl_nm/iraq_bush_bud...

Bush to request hefty Iraq war funds

By Caren Bohan and Richard Cowan 1 hour, 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
President George W. Bush will request slightly more than $100 billion to cover war operations in
Iraq and Afghanistan for the rest of this year and an even larger amount for fiscal 2008 that begins on October 1, congressional sources said on Thursday.


The administration, which will submit the war cost proposals along with its annual budget on Monday, will provide details of its war spending plans to try to placate critics who have accused it of using a shadow budget to fund the war.

For the current fiscal year, the White House will ask Congress to approve an additional $93 billion for the Defense Department to conduct the two wars and about $7 billion for State Department activities, a Senate aide said.

Including other items, the request will total "a little over $100 billion," according to the Senate aide. That would come on top of $70 billion Congress already approved for the wars this year.

For 2008, the administration will ask for an amount "larger than the $100 billion in the fiscal 2007 request," the Senate aide said.

more...

[Holly_Hobby]

13. Who is going to stop him if we don't?

Our elected officials? HA

[MissWaverly]

33. you realize this is never part of the budget

the federal budget does not include the Iraq War, and I saw on the News Hour yesterday,
there's 36 million identified as squandered money in Iraq, that is by the CPA we have
there, he's quite breezy about the matter, next time we'll do a better job, don't worry
about next time, fix this time.

[Holly_Hobby]

37. Sweetie, the budget means nothing

Our elected officials will do the political thing, not the right thing. The election wasn't enough to scare them.

[MissWaverly]

39. well, yes I know

but Zbigniew Brzezinski said on the News Hour, the Iraq War is nothing but a prelude to
an war with Iran and a war that will encompass the islamic populations of the Middle
East, they had better start taking this stuff seriously, this could destroy the entire
country and destabilize the planet.

[Holly_Hobby]

40. Only if we let it happen. It's not too late until

Bush presses the button on the football. It is OUR responsibility. Like it or not, there's no white knight in shining armor to save us. Not Hillary, not Obama, not Gore. No one.

BTW, I wouldn't foist this mess on Gore. He doesn't deserve it.

[Nevernever]

14. Goodbye Baghdad, hello Tehran?

[Holly_Hobby]

16. Welcome to DU

Home of the brave.

[robertpaulsen]

23. "Just like the first American Revolution right?"

Fantastic analogy. I say the day we start bombing Iran: GENERAL STRIKE!

:hi:

[Holly_Hobby]

27. Hi babe. I'm so pissed.

You're #4 out of 100,000 DU'ers. This is PATHETIC. They all want the job done FOR them. Clueless.

[itsmesgd]

28. I think that nastiness will occur on war #2 day #1.

I've got a bag packed

[Holly_Hobby]

32. War #2 was Iraq. Afghanistan was #1.

If you're not willing to stand in traffic, you don't deserve to be here. I'm sorry for offending you, but our gov't needs to be reigned in. It's OUR job.

[itsmesgd]

36. I meant that my bag is packed to join the movement

If I stood in traffic here a redneck would run me down in a pickup truck. I'm not going into details but I think standing in traffic is not quite enough.

[Holly_Hobby]

38. My apology for misreading your post

Standing in traffic in 10 major cities for one weekday a week would certainly get attention. Prove me wrong?

Edited to add you're #6 out of 100,000 DU'ers.

[itsmesgd]

42. I'm already down as #2...

Atlanta is the nearest major city to me, so we need thousands to blocks the billion lanes of traffic down here, or...we could all just show up in Virginia and march across the bridge into DC enmasse

[Holly_Hobby]

43. Is there one place that's a bottleneck

at 5:00 PM in Atlanta? Screw DC, they don't pay attention, they're all politicians.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

31. I'm in. I'm ready for Saturday, next week, next weekend, whenever.

A coordinated moment, please, let this happen. MKJ

[Holly_Hobby]

34. You're #5 out of 100,000 DU'ers

They need to put their money where their MOUTHS are.

[lonestarnot]

41. I'm in 4 6.

[Holly_Hobby]

45. Which major city can you take?

Can you get 100 people to do with with you? I've got 22 for Detroit at I-96 and I-75 at 5:00 PM, date TBD.

[lonestarnot]

57. Phoenix and

I'll see about the 100. DTBD. Will bring it up in various meetings, but that takes time.

[Homer Wells]

44. Kicked and Recommended!!

nt

[Holly_Hobby]

47. Thanks Stephen. Are you in? n/t

[gratefultobelib]

46. Yes, I would take part in something organized and meaningful. Apologies for

hedging a little...

[Holly_Hobby]

48. You're #6, I counted someone twice

What big city are you near? Can you enlist 100 people to help? 100 people x 10 cities is 10,000 people stopping traffic.

Ok, I'm going to bed now. I hope when I get up tomorrow, DU will surprise me with 10 more posters agreeing to go to jail to stop traffic. But I'm not holding my breath. There are alot more excuses here than guts.

Edited to add

[gratefultobelib]

49. Kansas City, MO. I don't know about the 100 people, but I can sure try!

[Echotrail]

51. Ready like yesterday. I would recommend if I could!

:)

[gordianot]

53. I am convinced there will not be many more than 21,000 troops.

What this piece of shit will do is dump 21,000 boots on the ground without the support troops they need. This administration is incapable of managing anything including their own cover ups, insane plots, and ill conceived solutions. The only avenue left to the BFEE is pure despotism.

[orleans]

55. malloy just read something heard on hartman's show....?

that the "rumor is" the day we attack iran is feb. 24th

i saw this on keith's show--i couldn't believe it. (i mean, i *could* but i was stunned)

[robertpaulsen]

56. Let's keep this baby kicked!

:kick: