Right Wing is Now Pushing 'Unstoppable' Climate Change

[JCMach1]

They are framing the argument as... If it's unstoppable, we can DO NOTHING. The learned helplessness Jedi mind-trick will, sadly, probably work. They also seem to be suggesting that we cannot FULLY know if warming itself is man made. They are still looking for license to do whatever the F@#$ they want. They lost the 'doesn't exist argument', now they are trying to spin ours to their advantage.


...The U.S. government delegation was not one of the more vocal groups in the debate over whether warming is man-made, said officials from other countries. And several attendees credited the head of the panel session, Susan Solomon, a top U.S. government climate scientist, with pushing through the agreement so quickly.

The Bush administration acknowledges that global warming is man-made and a problem that must be dealt with, Bush science adviser John Marburger has said. However, Bush continues to reject mandatory limits on so-called "greenhouse" gases... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_sc/france_climate_change

[bridgit]

1. ah yes, so why bother i am sure...

day r :freak:

[Kerrytravelers]

Oh, so, we should all just die happy then without bothering to do anything?

Ok, thanks bush.

:sarcasm:



Fucking idiot.

[LoZoccolo]

2. That won't start causing massive civic unrest or anything, nah.

It's not like people will start taking advantage of each other and preying on the weak, you know, thinking there's inevitable disaster ahead or anything.

[BeFree]

20. Prey

Lets us prey, say the insurance companay.

It is the insurers who have convinced the politicians to feel the heat. So look for your insurance to go sky high as they prey upon your weakness.

I hear Florida insurance rates have already gone sky high. Who's next?

[donco6]

3. Well, he doesn't care about a monetary debt to our descendants.

Why would he care about an environmental debt?

[Hippo_Tron]

4. I'm surprised they aren't saying that we're fighting climate change over in Iraq

So that we don't have to fight it here.

[katsy]

8. Hush YOU!

Let's not give them any ideas. Clever... but they'll LIKE it.

:spank:

[Hippo_Tron]

9. Fine, but do you think I could get a job as a writer for Stephen Colbert?

Because when it comes out of his mouth it always has the seal of truthiness.

[katsy]

11. If Colbert is really smart...

he'd hire you in a NY minute!


:applause:

[Stephanie]

5. WHY

Why do they wish their children to suffer? Are they deranged? It's literally inhuman.

[JCMach1]

7. We can do nothing... enjoy the new beach front and the Rapture...

Peace, out...

[billyoc]

13. Their children will be sipping champagne

in a climate controlled habitat somewhere in Paraguay, surrounded by a mercenary army.

[Double T]

6. I'm certain THEY are RIGHT; humans will not make the sacrifices......

necessary to curb global warming; sure plays well for the 'end times' crowd.

[Porcupine]

15. They will when the storms start killing the rich.

Then you will see a change of religion. At some point somebody is going to lose a kid to a climate related event and they will go after the nearest naysaying politician with a gun. Given enough of these incidents they might see it in their best interest to change their tune. Until then; who knows.

[BlooInBloo]

10. It's the NATURE of conservatism to be hopeless and pessimistic.

[Stephanie]

12. Why don't they stop wasting time and pass out the arsenic-laced Kool-Aid already

If they're going to commit mass suicide, why drag us down along with them? Just off yourselves already.

[bananas]

14. This proves they are reptilian aliens!

Reptiles are cold-blooded and need a warm climate,
Bush and Cheney are preparing the earth for the arrival of the colonists.
There's no other logical explanation.

[Hosnon]

16. Yep. This is where it is going. But I want someone to explain to me why something

that is natural cannot be stopped.

My hometown used to flood a lot at the beginning of the 20th century...hasn't flooded in about eighty years thanks to the city "controlling" nature.

[JCMach1]

18. It can't be stopped because it flies in the face of Eternal Growth capitalism

sustainability is a dirty word to these people.

The American business model... Profits now, and whatever comes later...

It's about the next quarter, not the next 50yrs.

[sutz12]

17. One statement there really bothers me....

>>The U.S. government delegation was not one of the more vocal groups in the debate over whether warming is man-made<<

The US used to be at the forefront on shit like this. It seems that we have already lost most of our pre-eminence in science. The fundies are winning. :shrug:

[JCMach1]

19. Won. and it is now

entirely politicized.

A real scientist can hardly speak out, and only if their findings support the political agenda.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. By 2090-2099: 1.8 °C if we do our best, 4.0 if we ignore the problem

Those are the 'best estimates' for temperature change relative to 980-1999, for the B1 and A1F1 scenarios (and the 'likely' (ie >66% chance) ranges for those are 1.1-2.9, and 2.4-6.4 °C). So the message is: we can make this problem a lot worse if we do the wrong thing.