John Conyers "There isn't time" for Impeachment!!!

[Luckyduck]

(edited to be nicer)
There isn't time for Impeachment!!!

"He introduced an impeachment resolution against Richard Nixon before Watergate, and promptly became one of the first names on his infamous enemies list. Mr. Conyers is, incidentally, the only congressman in history to have taken part in impeachment hearings for two presidents. He supported ousting Mr. Nixon in 1974, and then ably but unsuccessfully fought to defend Bill Clinton in 1999.

Now, it truly is his committee. His party controls Congress, and he strongly suspects the President is a criminal.

So does that mean we are in for a third set of impeachment hearings in little more than a third of a century?

Well … probably not. "The short answer is that there isn't time," the chairman said in his distinctive, measured voice."

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http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070202/COLUMNIST17/702020332/-1/NEWS18

[helderheid]

1. there isn't time - we need them arrested PRONTO!

[madokie]

3. thats what I read into that too

first things first

[Matariki]

4. I'm with you Helderheid

and i bet Conyers knows that too. Constitutional crisis is what we got. Impeachment takes too long and they're doing more damage by the day.

[redqueen]

6. I hope that's the case...

cause lying to Congress is for darn sure a crime worthy of impeachment.

[coalition_unwilling]

30. Not to mention self-confessed multiple violations of FISA - n/t

[hogwyld]

22. And if congress won't do it

Maybe we need to march en mass, and perform a citizen's arrest!

[rumpel]

56. like minds....

that has been on my mind for about a week now!

Citizen's arrest

[Crabby Appleton]

72. good luck with thhat, lemme know how it works out

[Just-plain-Kathy]

80. Democrats will go down in history as the party that let Bush get away with murder...n/t

[Xenotime]

2. These crimes against humanity must stop!

[Bobbie Jo]

5. Then they need to MAKE time....n/t

[Luckyduck]

14. exactly

They will not be reelected if they do not uphold their own oaths and hold Bush Accountable.

There is nothing more important!

[TahitiNut]

101. Dear Mr. Conyers: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, either.

:grr:

[WilliamPitt]

7. Conyers is a goddam DINO bastard

...

[helderheid]

12. snort

:rofl:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

13. You rock.

:rofl:

[Nimrod2005]

27. Lol....

[Jackpine Radical]

29. But he's clean, Will.

Not to mention articulate.

[LSK]

37. OMG THIS IS HUGH!!!!!1111

[IronLionZion]

38. He's a corrupt corporate tool, let's impeach Conyers NOW!

Let's attack the hell out of Conyers, and waste a lot of time and money running someone against him in the primaries! Let's put more Republicans in office. That will teach him!

:silly: :rofl:

[pat_k]

43. Ridicule if you must.

But now you're laughing with Rove, and at many of us.

As for Conyers, it's just sad that those of whom we have learned to expect the most often disappoint us most.

Like you do now, Will.

[Luckyduck]

44. Thank you pat K

That is sad that all Pitt can do is start a ridicule subthread.

Why don't these people explain why it is okay for Conyers to let Bush off the hook, even as Bush is threatening to attack Iran?

[Luckyduck]

45. First it was 'we are in the minority', now 'we want to win 2008'

This is pathetic. Anyone defending Conyer's statement is confused and part of the problem.

Conyers is not 'playing chess'.
He is backing down on the stupid notion that it would look bad for the Democratic Party to pursue impeachment.
How would doing the right thing be bad for elections?

The American people are looking to the Democratic Party to STOP BUSH.
He is threatening to attack Iran.:grr:

But let's just trust Conyers. I know, they'll get Bush AFTER he is out of office...good one:rofl:

[DancingBear]

67. No, he can bloviate too

Just look around.

[WilliamPitt]

46. I'm a goddam DINO bastard.

...

[Laurab]

57. NOW you tell us!!!111 And Conyers, too!!!111

:rofl:

[pat_k]

58. You can redeem yourself anytime

And there's nowhere near 12 steps.

Jump on the impeachment bus.

You could start a parade.

[WilliamPitt]

60. I redeem myself

if I agree with your position.

Mmmm, broad intellectual scope you've got there. Lots of incentive to "jump on the bus."

But then again, I am a goddam DINO bastard. So.

[pat_k]

69. I'm not your clergyman

Nor am I the one who narrowed the scope to a snarky label -- or applied it to anyone. All I did was voice objection. Then offered a cure for your claim of bastardom.

But then again, this isn't about me -- or ultimately even about you. So.

[tavalon]

91. Fuck redemption Will

You rarely fall much behind me nor I you. But if you still feel that impeachment isn't appropriate and feasible, you are falling behind. If Conyers thinks it isn't appropriate and feasible, he is also falling behind. You are both way too smart for that so I don't buy it. From either of you.

[Jim Sagle]

77. Joe Biden, is that you?

:D

[Name removed]

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[Hawkowl]

8. * s days are numbered

I get the distinct feeling that Conyers and Pelosi, Waxman, etc are all on the same page and do definitely have impeachment not on the table but more of a surprise waiting in the wings. Just a gut feeling by watching their faces and responses. It seems to me that they are playing poker with a sucker and they just want to make sure he puts ALL his chips in the pot.

[Labors of Hercules]

62. That's my feeling as well...

They are already clearing the docket and lining up the pins... They are waiting for something. I can't say I know what it is specifically, but they definately have something big up their sleeves.

[Raksha]

85. I'm sure they are all following the Libby trial with great interest

and the one they are planning to impeach first is the Prince of Darkness himself, Dick Cheney. That's what I'd be doing if I were them anyway.

[WI_DEM]

9. I would be interested in knowing how long before Clinton was impeached in the house

were the hearings against him--in terms of months and the same with Nixon, though he resigned just before they were to vote on impeachment.

[RiverStone]

61. Good question.

The rethugs went into a tizzy cause Bill lied about Monica's blow job, yet Conyers questions if there is time for Shrub to be impeached when he has committed a vast crime against humanity?

Arrrg! :grr:

[justiceischeap]

10. Seems he's more concerned about 2008

But here's a great section of the article:

So I asked: Do you think this President has committed impeachable offenses? The man who now has the power to start impeachment hearings didn't hesitate for a heartbeat.

"Yes sir. I think if we had the kind of investigations I have been trying to get started for the last couple years, we would all come to agree with (former Congressman) Elizabeth Holtzman and many constitutional scholars who have written about it.

"It is pretty plain there are some problems with whether he has kept his oath of office," the congressman said.

[Luckyduck]

11. more

"There isn't time, and it would stop the progress that the Congress would otherwise be trying to make between now and when the elections occur next year."

And, he added candidly, "We've made this very reluctant decision because we need to add to our narrow majorities in both houses of Congress, and get ready to take back the presidency in 2008, and this would work exactly contrary to that."

I don't understand why anyone thinks this would be bad for the Democratic Party- Almost everyone wants this bastard held accountable. Republicans switched parties last time so Bush would be held accountable.

[blogslut]

16. But he also said this in the article,

In fact, part of it was the lede:

So I asked: Do you think this President has committed impeachable offenses? The man who now has the power to start impeachment hearings didn't hesitate for a heartbeat.

"Yes sir. I think if we had the kind of investigations I have been trying to get started for the last couple years, we would all come to agree with (former Congressman) Elizabeth Holtzman and many constitutional scholars who have written about it.

"It is pretty plain there are some problems with whether he has kept his oath of office," the congressman said.

<snip>

"For the first time in six years - well, it goes back further, really- we are going to have congressional oversight. And investigations. And it is conceivable something might change my mind. I couldn't say there is nothing this President could do that would shock me. I want to make sure that we don't let a clear revelation of the facts go by the wayside," he said.

"And every impeachable offense cannot always be dealt with immediately, and the impeachment process is not ended once a person leaves office."

EDIT: Clarity

[MagickMuffin]

24. About this quote,

"And every impeachable offense cannot always be dealt with immediately, and the impeachment process is not ended once a person leaves office."

What would be the point after they leave office?
Is it just to expose the criminality of this MisAdminisrtation?
Will there be criminal charges brought before them?

I guess if the Dem's were to wait it out to try and win the WH, then I could see their point in waiting until after they take back the WH. However, I fear once the Bush Regime/Cartel/Cabal has left office, the call for civility will play a role in letting the BRCC off the hook.

But if they take back the WH and proceed with impeachment hearings then maybe just maybe we could see the BRCC behind bars for a little while, because the Dem president wouldn't give them a pardon.

And then when you really think about it do you really believe ANYONE would ever send an ex-pres/vp to jail?
I certainly don't think that would ever be allowed to happen.

But a person can still dream!!!

[blogslut]

25. I think Congressman Conyers

...plays his cards close to his vest. ;)

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Criminal prosecution

you need to have the process occur in order for criminal prosecution to follow.

No impeachment, no criminal prosecution... and for god sakes I hope the next president refuses to give junior a pardon

[Geoff R. Casavant]

53. Impeachment after leaving office is both possible and necessary

Recall, the penalty for impeachment and conviction under the Constitution is not only removal from office, but an absolute prohibition on ever returning to any office of the executive branch ever again. So it's not just a "get out!" it's also " . . .and stay out!"

In other words, there would be no danger that any of these asshats ever get recycled into positions of authority in some future administration. That's why impeachment should not be limited to Bush and Cheney, but should continue down the line to Rice, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, the whole lot.

[Raffi Ella]

15. History will NOT look kindly upon this time.

Shame shame SHAME on Congress.And shame on the evil bastard sitting in the oval office who has NO regard for America.SHAME on them all!

History will say so.

It's time like these that I wonder if it's not all a farce because I cannot comprehend how that mans conduct could be left standing with no real objection recorded.

[mmonk]

49. And the world doesn't now.

[ariellyn]

63. Wanna bet? 75 Years from Now Bush will be a Hero.

I'm SeRIes!!!!

In reality, I truly believe that attempts will be made to rewrite this time in history just as Raygun's legacy was rewritten.

[Raffi Ella]

89. ha,riight.

:P
and attempts are already being made to do just that.However what this man and his cronies have done go way beyond anything we have have EVER witnessed in this country...
I feel we are at a pivotal moment in America.This is it.We either fight for what our Founding Fathers worked so hard for and meant this country to be or we lay down and die as a Democracy.If Congress as a whole doesn't GET THAT!!?? God help us all.

History WILL say so.

[lyonn]

98. Another Hoo Rah for the American cause.

Gawd help us all.....

In other words, I so agree with your post.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. If Bush is allowed to remain in office

without even a try at impeachment, then it will be a global tragedy.

[AndyA]

18. Conyers said something in this interview that caught my eye.

"And every impeachable offense cannot always be dealt with immediately, and the impeachment process is not ended once a person leaves office."

I think that statement says a lot. It tells me Bush is not going to be allowed to walk away from his crimes.

[bdamomma]

20. well that sounds hopeful, but someone or somebody has to say

NO MORE.

[Hawkowl]

23. OUTSTANDING

I agree with you. It looks like the House dems may just build a case against him through investigations, leaving him as not a lame duck, but a crippled duck and then prosecute him after he's out of office. I'll settle for that if they can stop this war and the next.

[Blue_In_AK]

28. I want to see the bastard(s) in prison.

Impeachment is too minor a price to pay.

[deutsey]

33. That's interesting, but I fear Bush will face the same justice that Pinochet did.

I.e., none.

:evilfrown:

[mmonk]

40. Sounds to me like a powerful presidential candidate for 08

is pulling strings.

[mmonk]

47. Pray tell what the remedy is if you wait

until they leave office. And what about the offenses still occurring?

[bdamomma]

19. there is no time for impeachment what, we are talking about

millions of lives being threatened, we need to dislodge this cancer on our country, the ignorance and arrogance of these thugs is so repressive.

[Luckyduck]

21. How long did it take to Impeach Clinton?

I think Bush would resign faster than you can say "Nixon"

[CitizenLeft]

26. here's a timeline...

I'm at work, I can only pop in this link, haven't even had a chance to look at it, but I hope it helps...

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/clintontimeline.htm

[glitch]

31. I trust John Conyers. I think they may have a plan.

Sounds minor but for a long time I wondered if anybody in Congress even knew what was going on, let alone had a plan to deal with it.

[lyonn]

96. Trust but verify

Sorry glitch, just something that popped into my mind when I read that phrase, it was a snarky comment. Conyers has been the angry voice for the crimes of bush. Let's hope you are right. I am running scared.

[glitch]

103. That's ok. These aren't very trusting times, for good reason.

The only statement Reagan ever made that I agreed with. Here's to hoping:
:toast:

[WritersBlock]

32. But the long answer is that there isn't time *not* to impeach.

I trust John Conyers to do what's right for the country.

But he can't do it alone. I think that's why he said his mind might be changed.

Public sentiment is getting there. Just my theory.

[mmonk]

34. How much time was left in Nixon's term

when he received the suggestion from some in his party he should step down to avoid impeachment? Have we got something much more important to do?

[smoogatz]

36. He's probably right.

Here's how it would probably unfold:

Step 1: various investigations are taken up by various committees in both houses of congress. Bush administration lawyers fight every records request and subpoena tooth and nail, forcing an eventual showdown between congress and the WH in the Supreme Court to rule on numerous questions concerning executive privilege. Once the court battle commences, we're already into late 2007 before the investigations can begin in earnest.

Step 2: Investigations. Congress has power to subpoena but no power to indict those on a position to implicate Bush or Cheney. Congressional investigations are ponderous and usually compromised. The point of these investigations, as was the case w/ Nixon, ultimately, was to produce sufficient evidence to justify the appointment of a special prosecutor. Now we're into 2008.

Step 3: special prosecutor's investigation: Ah, now we're getting somewhere. The underlings are starting to squawk, fearing indictment and/or imprisonment. The case is going nicely. Only problem is, it's already mid-2008 and the elections are in four months. Congress can make noise about impeachment as it awaits the special prosecutor's report, but to actually go through with it now would just seem vindictive.

Step 4 (in an ideal world): Dems win the election. Bush pardons everyone, including himself, before leaving office. Kerry is appointed AG and sues Bush and Cheney for every penny they've got, forcing them to make restitution for the billions (trillions?) they've looted from the federal treasury. Cheney drops dead of heart attack. Bush attempts to flee to Paraguay with Condi and a suitcase full of cash, cocaine and KY Jelly, is apprehended by Secret Service and sentenced to ninety years hard labor in Leavenworth. Case closed.

[halobeam]

55. Loving step 4

:rofl: :rofl: oooohhhh that last line:rofl:

[Leopolds Ghost]

83. "Cash, cocaine and KY jelly" -- sounds like a country song. n/t

[LSK]

39. because.....

When asked to name his biggest goal this congressional session, he doesn't hesitate. To pass a bill calling for universal single-payer health care. "It will be very difficult," he acknowledges. "But that's my biggest cause.

"Can I mention the top three presidential candidates I am looking at?" They are, in this order, Illinois U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, former U.S. Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, and U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

[mmonk]

48. Look over there.

There's something nice and shiny.

[LSK]

52. ...that millions of Americans need

[mmonk]

54. No doubt. They also need to be free.

[kohodog]

41. Resignation is faster.

Start with Cheney. There is enough dirt coming out of the libby trial to force him out. Then go after Bush. He won't be so tough without his master.

[mmonk]

42. I won't ride this train to hell forever. Something has to change

in the way this country is currently doing business or positive events that restore habeus corpus, our constitutional checks and balances and Bill of Rights have to happen.

[porphyrian]

50. If he's got a better way to stop them now, do that, too.

It's never too late to impeach for the record.

[mmonk]

51. If this is all being done for the shiny 08 presidential candidates

(the there isn't enough time thing), then maybe for the 08 presidential election, there isn't time to vote. One could call it the screw me, screw you outlook. (I'm looking to see if I get a rise out of anyone, so don't go nutty).

[lyonn]

70. There is something wrong with Conyers scenario !?

He says there isn't enough time. He talks about how important the health care issue is. He talks about getting more Dem in Congress. Well, if the Dems don't listen to the voter of 06 they can forget 08. Sure impeachment takes time, that is something our troops won't have if we allow bush to put our military in the heart of this civil war. He is doing exactly what Murtha and others objected to.

Do we hear anything about starting a real dialog between the waring factions? bush's only answer is playing war games with his little solders. Move them here and move them there. Oops, that didn't work, where can I get more soldiers/marines?

The only thing that can slow this maniac down might be an impeachment process. We all know how much he thinks of himself. He might forget about his toy soldiers for awhile.

And yes, I will take the time to vote even if the Dems fumble the ball again, but my heart won't be in it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

84. The problem is a majority don't support single-payer -- they support Masscare

The one Hillary endorsed when Clinton killed single-payer in 2003.

I.e. forcible enrollment in private, for-profit healthcare HMO's
regardless of income or resources. A burden on working families
akin to child support payments, and a fundamentally immoral
concept akin to Bush's plan to force every American to divert
money from Social Security into a selected list of private,
for-profit mutual funds.

[mmonk]

88. Yes, there is.

I'm for universal healthcare, but not at the expense of us being a nation of laws with constitutional protections and leaders that aren't above the law. If I can't convince you of that, than so be it and follow the other train of thought.

[lyonn]

92. Apparently I wasn't clear at all about where I stand

Health care is near the top of my list of things to do. The war in Iraq is at the top.

Impeachment has become a world wide issue. The rest of the world is watching us. They wonder if we will continue to give bush a pass.

Many thought Conyers had his sights set on getting the crimes of bush out there, front and center. This illegal war should be our No. 1 problem. bush can not be allowed to be the Decider of how this war will be conducted in the next few months. bush has no clue how to conduct the war, or diplomatic relation with the rest of the world. Rice's banter with foreign leaders is going to get us in deeper and deeper disrespect around the world. Conyers needs to explain what he means by we don't have time to impeach.

The corruption having to do with heath care can be dealt with once we straighten our country out. Issues like the basic laws of Our Land that bush has trash. My cause on this post is impeachment. Where does Conyers stand? What pressures are there on him to possibly take a different direction with his investigations? I am concerned.

bushco is playing political games with the Iraq issue once again. We must not allow that to happen Again. It is not Iran's fault we are in the Iraq mess. It is not the Dems fault either. bushco wants to distort the truth again......

[mmonk]

93. Got you. Very good.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

59. I think he means calendar time. Bush will be gone in 11 mths and a total lame duck in Nov.

And Cheney would then be power - which is even worse.

[Labors of Hercules]

64. And why pray tell can't they impeach them both?

NANCY FOR PRESIDENT!

[mmonk]

66. With his abuse of "signing statements" and his

"unitary executive" AG, I imagime he will still continue to do things (some illegal) and not really be stopped nor answer to anyone.

[mcscajun]

105. Add 12 months to that...

We're stuck with Bush through 2008.

Time left in the Bush pResidency:
716 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes...

http://www.backwardsbush.com/

[RiverStone]

65. This is wrong!

The rethugs went crazy cause Bill lied about a blow job, yet some folks are timid about moving against Shrug for high crimes (such as lies that led us into a needless war)??? :wtf:

Well, the other hope is that investigations will reveal so much damning evidence that Shrub will pull a Nixon - and resign in disgrace before we even need to get to impeachment.

Yea right....

[SteveM]

68. There's time enough when Bush attacks Iran.

The reason Dems don't want to impeach Bush is because they and their cohorts in the "intellectual/media" establishment don't want to lower themselves to the thuggish behavior of the GOP during the Clinton impeachment; they are not only scared of the GOP, but hold the stylistic difference of "rising above the fray" to their collective bosoms more dearly than the need for good government and policy. IOW, they think they are better than the GOP in ways the public can't measure -- except by who is or isn't bullied. The public CAN see that and they usually go for the bully.

[More Than A Feeling]

73. Good point, we'd better hurry up then!

It's totally worth it, even if he is convicted and removed on his last day in office. It's important that he be made to stand up and answer for what he has done in a court of law, and impeachment would facilitate that process.

[lala_rawraw]

74. The problem with impeachment

is that it will take too long... i don't think the founding fathers ever imagined a fully blackmailed party (Republicans) and a minority party frightened out of their minds all watching the destruction of the country passively. there should have been a law enforcement stipulation and DOJ officials should not be appointed by the executive branch... impeachment will take too long... indictment is what we need and arrest.

[Senator]

82. That's simply false ... It should take days or weeks, not months

People seem to presume, falsely, that ALL impeachable acts must be taken up and/or that "their reason" for impeaching must be one of the arcticles. Others seem to think some special investigation or prosecutor is required by law. Or that some judicial intervention or approval is involved. That there must be some dictated "process" of hoops to jump through.

None of this is so.

For both torture and illegal spying, the regime admits and defends its impeachable acts under "Urinary Authoritarian Executive**" Theory. The same is true of the recent claim that Congress cannot stop the surge. This changes the entire dynamic of impeachment, particularly with regard to time.

There is no "investigation" required.

There are no "fact witnesses" to present.

There is no "case" to build at all.

All that is required is approval or rejection of the ongoing, admitted actions of the regime. All they have to do is say NO. Heck, they don't even need to take on even that much responsibility. All they really have to say is that the FISA court and the USSC in Hamdan already said NO and we can't abide them being openly defied.

Really, how frightened do you have to be to rubber-stamp War Crimanal Nation status?

It's not like any of them have defended the regime's acts as non-impeachable. None have made any case of damage to the nation resulting from a change of president. Do they imagine soldiers fleeing the battlefields? All we've heard from them are vague excuses and unspecified fears. That just won't wash. Not now, with the bulk of the (less and less) active base. It won't with the (returning to apathy) voters in '08. And it certainly won't wash for history.

Impeachment is their legacy, like it or not. And just like Gore and Kerry before them it's most likely to be a legacy of failure. Failure to simply stand up and say NO, this is NOT what the American People deserve.


-----
**Based on the newly-discovered, "inherent" (i.e., faith-based) Constitutional Authority for an appointed ruler (as opposed to elected leader) to piss down the back of the American People and tell them it's raining.

[lyonn]

94. Whew! Thanks.... n/t

[mmonk]

86. I'm not sure time constraints have been an issue before.

The problem is in the past, a couple of impeachment inquiries were started for purely political partisanship reasons (Clinton and Johnson). Today's situation is a textbook reason on why impeachment is a constitutional tool to provide a remedy should an elected official not follow constitutional laws and restraints on power. In fact, many in the executive branch are ruling contrary to our constitution and Bill of Rights. Avoiding this impeachment because of elections in 08 seems to be putting party politics before the constitution just the same as before, just in a different way. This is possibly a far reaching decision that will effect our country beyond just these next two years.

[Tuesday_Morning]

75. ITMFA!

Don't make me change my avatar... :mad:

[Malikshah]

76. Sorry Conyers-- Like Jello, there's always room (AND TIME) for

impeachment of war criminals.

Shame on you. Stop playing chess and get moving.

[katsy]

78. It took 4 years for the republicants (k starr) to investigate charges against

Bill Clinton and bring about impeachment proceedings.

I don't remember Clinton stonewalling them or refusing to provide documents for matters others than lewinsky. I may be wrong.

What we have here with the chimp is a secretive, uncooperative executive branch.

I want to live long enough to see bush* impeached. But I don't think there is time. John Conyers is not our enemy. I simply think he's telling the truth. It's hard to handle this. Had anyone but John Conyers delivered this news, I'd be furious. But I've seen this man try time and time again bring the chimp's crimes to light. I take him at his word because he has never given me any reason to believe otherwise.

The Senate, as it stands now, would not convict... hell they can't even back a binding resolution against the "augmentation" of troops to Iraq.

Unless the people scream for impeachment, take to the streets, I can't see the Senate turning.

[DinahMoeHum]

79. and speaking of the Senate, can anybody here name me 20 Republicans

who will vote with the Democrats to CONVICT and remove Bush and Cheney from office??

IMPEACHMENT WILL NOT MEAN DIDDLY-SHIT UNLESS BUSH AND CHENEY ARE CONVICTED.

I'll say it again:
IMPEACHMENT WILL NOT MEAN DIDDLY-SHIT UNLESS BUSH AND CHENEY ARE CONVICTED.

Remember, while the House does indeed draw up the Articles of Impeachment (indictment), it's the
Senate that renders judgement (acquit or convict).

You need 2/3 majority in the Senate (67 votes) for conviction.

And there is nothing written in stone that says every Democrat and Independent will vote to convict
(especially not Joe Lieberman, I-Party of One)

Believe me, nothing on G*d's great earth would please me better than to see articles of impeachment drawn up against these bastards.

But right now, we just ain't got the numbers in Congress.

:evilfrown:

[Merrill]

81. Go for criminal indictments!

The Military Commission Act and its suspension of the writ of Habeas Corpus is a huge problem and must be over turned.In it I believe republicans provided criminal protection for the Bush admin. Get rid of it. Constitutional scholars warn that if the government prevails it would expose more than twenty million noncitizens residing in the United States to the risk of indefinite detention on the basis of unfounded rumors, mistaken identity and lies. American citizens are also at risk if you disagree with this admin.

[mmonk]

87. Some think evidently, if we ignore it, it will all go away.

The decision that political calculus will bring us a great victory in 08 is speculative political pandering to a few candidates at the expense of constitutional restraints on power that can be far reaching beyond 08.

[spanone]

90. No Time for the Constitution???? Sad fucking Nation.

[Cleita]

95. There is the War Crimes Act of 1996

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Crimes_Act_of_1996

Maybe we should try that on for size if impeachment is off the table.

[brentspeak]

97. You sound "concerned"

[cool user name]

99. Fuck ...

:wtf:

[scarletwoman]

100. There isn't TIME to STOP THE WAR ON IRAN!

I'm not going to dis Conyers, but good grief already! The future of the whole damn planet is at stake!

Our elected representatives don't have TIME to remove the crime syndicate that has taken over our government?

:banghead:

sw

[Cha]

102. If that's the only way to stop

the bushreich from destroying the Planet..maybe the Dems better Make Time.

[lyonn]

104. Article that explains our Impeachment delima - really a good one!

This article hits on many of the glaring reasons for impeachment and the flimsy reasons for not bringing bush and others before Congress to explain themselves.


http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020207E.shtml

Beyond Oral Sex: The Bush Investigations
By David Swanson and Jonathan Schwarz
TomDispatch.com

"As humorist Bob Harris enjoys saying about the Bush administration, "It's like a new Watergate every day with these people." Congress could probably spend three decades profitably examining the last six years of the Bush administration. Unfortunately, they'll have to do severe triage to select the areas of malfeasance where investigations will most benefit the country. "

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Pressured?

"For instance, two books - James Bamford's A Pretext for War and Lindsay Moran's Blowing My Cover - describe what seems to be the same incident in which an anonymous CIA source claims administration pressure on the Agency "was blatant." The source reported that his or her boss told a group of fifty analysts that "if Bush wants to go to war, it's your job to give him a reason to do so." Neither Bamford, nor Moran was contacted for the previous investigations.

Meanwhile, an anonymous former CIA agent has filed a lawsuit against the Agency, claiming he'd been punished for providing unwelcome intelligence on Iraq. Or at least it appears to be Iraq - much of the complaint has been redacted. The complaint states that the plaintiff "served as primary collection point for Near Eastern WMD programs." According to New York Times reporting on the suit, the agent says he was told by an informant in 2001 that Iraq had abandoned its nuclear-weapons program years before. After complaining that this (and other information) was ignored, he was made the subject of a counterintelligence investigation. Nothing about this appears in the Phase I or WMD Commission report."


It is lengthy but gets the pulse rate up, sets-out why so many of us are scratching our heads and screaming at our TV's when we hear bushco's nonsense (lies).