DAMN VIACOM!!!

[CatWoman]

:grr:

Almost ALL the videos on my favorite list have been deleted

:grr:

Show's Over: Viacom Tells Google To Delete Over 100,000 YouTube Videos.

Viacom demanded today that Google remove the 100,000+ videos from YouTube that use Viacom's intellectual property. That would include movies from Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks, and four other studios; TV clips from Comedy Central, MTV, VH1, and ten other networks; and clips taken from IFilm.com. There's a hell of a lot of Daily Show in there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-press/2007/02/02/shows-over-viacom-tells_e_40266.html

[whistle]

1. Can ViaCom do that and what excatly makes those items intellectual property?

[Deja Q]

3. Point taken. See my other response below.

When corporations can't see something, consumers inevitably fill the void by being creative on their own. Even if it does bend the rules; those clips harmed NOBODY. And that's a fact.

(Prove me wrong. How had those clips harmed Viacom?)

[Geoff R. Casavant]

11. There doesn't have to be harm to be a violation.

Just the unlicensed use of another's intellectual property.

But I suppose if you wanted to get hyper-technical, you could argue that if enough people knew all the best DS clips would be on YouTube the next day, they wouldn't watch the show, so the ratings would go down, so the advertisers wouldn't pay as much, so Viacom would lose revenue.

At least, that's the argument I would make if I were Viacom's lawyer.

[Ignacio Upton]

18. I've never seen a clip showing TDS in its entirety

So yes, I think that there is a fair use case in this situation.

[Ignacio Upton]

9. Wouldn't many of these cases be fair use?

I seriously doubt there are any full-length clips of their shows. Also, as for Comedy Central when it forced YouTube to pull Colbert clips, they feature what are practically the same damn clips on their website!

[Geoff R. Casavant]

12. Length alone does not determine fair use.

It's one factor, but there are other factors as well, such as whether the copy affects the market for the original. For an argument along this line, check out my comment above.

[Deja Q]

2. Well, when viacom opens up their site with demo videos of our favorite shows,

I'll stop complaining.

Youtube has helped me remember shows and videos and purchased accordingly.

And unless they're utterly blind, they'd instantly notice sound and video quality is so piss-poor it's hardly worth keeping.

The suits just don't get it. This isn't piracy (which actually is a problem in Asia, but they're doing sod all over there...). It's product demonstration. Especially if you can't get a refund for a useless product.

[Cha]

4. Will any other sites have

the videos for us?

[Union Thug]

5. Keep the peer to peers going, decentralize, and defy them. n/t

[madrchsod]

7. people do not realize what is happening do they?

[Union Thug]

10. I was telling my wife this was coming months ago, when I could find

clips from any concert, music video, or whatever, on YouTube (found some of the coolest old Tull stuff!). After all the bullshit about file sharing, that people didn't think Youtube would be targeted is ludicrous. If people want to share files such as the ones viacom is targeting, then they need to be decentralized and redundant and distributed over hundreds of thousands of servers. Jolly Rogers will be flying in countless numbers across the sea of internet(s)!


You are right, they probably will cut a deal. But at some point, the consumer will be targeted, either in terms of limiting access to those with generous credit cards or via threats of prosecution.

[madrchsod]

6. they will cut a deal

viacom has a lot to lose by doing this. all those 100,000 video`s are advertisements for their product. google and viacom will cut a deal and everyone will make money

[Deja Q]

8. BTW: I just found proof Viacom's been a limp wiener over their enforecement:

Lotsa videos remain undeleted:

See this thread for more.

[brettdale]

13. try

dailymotion.com
myspace.com

[brettdale]

14. There are still

clips from the daily show up there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbv4TMlGUlk

[dunn]

15. Why just Google? What about the other sites? n/t

[Generic Brad]

16. Blame Sumner Redstone

How much money does an old man need anyway?

[ForrestGump]

17. I met him a few times

He was an a**hole.

A really, really rich one, obviously, but a nasty, arrogant, rude old man too used to always having it his way. And, if it wasn't for his bodyguard, I woulda decked him. :D


More like Sumbitch Redstone, I think.

[Nikki Stone1]

19. It's now "TheirTube.com"

We need an alternative