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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:38 PM
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Unacknowledged Racism, Imperialism and the U.S. Occupation of Iraq
Racism and imperialism have been found together so frequently during the course of world history that they can be considered two sides of the same coin. Here’s how it works: One people (or nation) intend to take over the land of or enslave another people. If the two peoples look or act different from each other, then the process can be facilitated by racism. The dominant people claim that the other people are of an inferior race. They are “savage” or “barbaric” or better yet, not really human. That ustifies their removing them from their land or enslaving them. It is for their own good. Or it goes along with the “natural order” of things. Or it is “manifest destiny”. Or it is ordained by God. By dehumanizing the other people as justification for treating them badly, the dominant people feel licensed to treat the other people as the sub-humans that they claim them to be. And they often act upon that license to emphasize the point. The process creates a vicious downward spiral.

Racism and imperialism have been and are two of the greatest scourges in the world – today, and probably as far back in world history as people of different genetic make-ups and cultural behaviors encountered one another. In the 20th Century alone, numerous genocidal episodes have involved the brutal murders of tens of millions of people, including the Nazi Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the genocides in the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, and Darfur. Prior to the 20th Century the historical evidence of genocide and racism is less clear, but I doubt that it was much less frequent. Certainly the near total European colonization of Africa in the 19th Century was justified and facilitated by racism, and although that may not have met the formal definition of genocide, certainly native Africans suffered terribly from the European colonization of their continent, and many millions died from it. The ancient Greeks and Romans referred to peoples of different cultures as “barbarians”, and they often went to war against or enslaved those “barbarians”. The role that racism played in those many wars and in the practice of ancient slavery has not been much written about, but recent scholarship has suggested that it played an important role.


A brief discussion of racism in U.S. history

Although Americans don’t talk about it much, the United States has been no exception to the above noted pattern, as demonstrated by their near extermination of the Native Americans, their enslavement of Africans, their violent repression of their former slaves following the American Civil War, their subjugation of the Philippines, and many other events.

The slave owning class in 19th Century pre-Civil War United States knew no bounds when it came to justifying the existing order. They could not stand the idea of putting limits on the extension of slavery in the United States. They could not stand the idea of northerners providing refuge to slaves who escaped from southern plantations. And they would become apoplectic whenever northern Congressmen insulted their sacred “institution”, as demonstrated so vividly when Preston Brooks nearly beat to death Senator Charles Sumner on the floor of the U.S. Senate for making an anti-slavery speech. Deep down inside, the southern slave owners knew that their justifications for slavery were fragile and fraudulent. Any discussion of the matter threatened to force them to realize it themselves, thereby causing the demise of the whole elaborate fantasy on which they maintained their self esteem. That’s why they tried so desperately to stifle any mention of slavery on the floor of the U.S. House, with the infamous “gag rule” in the 1830s and 1840s. And that’s why the election in 1860 of a U.S. President who had vocalized some anti-slavery sentiments resulted in the quick secession of 11 states followed by a bloody civil war, even though that President had promised to do nothing to interfere with the legal right to own slaves in those states.


To what extent should our history of racism continue to be acknowledged?

Some would say that that’s all water under the bridge – that the past cannot be changed, so there is no point in continuing to talk about such uncomfortable things. After all, much has been accomplished in ameliorating racism in the United States. Slavery was abolished in the United States by an amendment to our Constitution. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 did much to ameliorate the affects of racism in our country. Indeed, the overt expression of racism in not even politically acceptable in the United States today.

Yet racism is far from dead in today’s United States. Though overt racism in no longer acceptable in our country today, subtle appeal to racist sentiments remains a viable means for some politicians to advance their own individual causes. And because that racist appeal is often subtle rather than overt, many Americans don’t consciously recognize it as racist.

It has often been said that if we do not learn from our past we are condemned to repeat it – and with today’s modern weaponry, the scourges of racism will indeed be terrible to behold if we cannot learn history’s lessons well enough to avoid our past failures. Notwithstanding the substantial progress that has been made, our nation has not yet sufficiently learned those lessons. Unfortunately, under our current leadership our country has moved substantially backwards in that area over the past few years. The Iraq war provides vivid proof – to those willing to see it – that we have not yet learned the lessons we need to learn well enough, as it also shows us some of the consequences of our failure to learn those lessons.


Our invasion and occupation of Iraq is rooted in racist and imperialistic impulses

For those who don’t believe that our invasion and occupation of Iraq is rooted in racism and imperialism, consider the following:

Over 600 thousand Iraqi civilians have died from our invasion and occupation of their country, and yet our national news media rarely mentions that fact. If the purpose of the war was to bring Democracy to Iraq, why aren’t the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis considered important enough to talk about?

The Iraqis don’t want us in their country. A majority of Iraqis feel so strongly about that that they approve of violent attacks against U.S. forces. Yet that is rarely mentioned by our national news media. Again – if our purpose is to bring democracy to Iraq, why aren’t the wishes of the Iraqi people considered important enough to form part of the equation?

Though our own Constitution, as well as international law, provides for the unalienable rights of accused persons to have a fair trial, George Bush and Dick Cheney have willfully ignored those rights. The prisoners that we take in our so-called “War on Terror” are held indefinitely, for years, without even being accused of a crime; they are denied the right to face their accusers; they are denied the right to counsel; and they are repeatedly tortured. George Bush, by over-riding a Congressional ban against torture with one of his many infamous “signing statements”, has made it clear that he approves of that torture. How do our leaders justify all this? We got attacked, they say, oblivious to the non-relationship between those who attacked us and those who we are attacking and throwing into our prisons. And “they are the worst of the worst” they say, oblivious to the quaint American philosophy of “innocent until proven guilty”. Unacknowledged racism in the United States gives them just enough cover to stem the widespread outrage that would otherwise be generated by these crimes against humanity.

Three and a half years after our invasion of Iraq, residents of Baghdad were receiving an average of only 2.4 hours per day of electricity. Our lack of commitment to reconstructing the Iraqi infrastructure that we have destroyed can be seen also in the billions of dollars that have gone missing after being awarded in no-bid contracts to friends of the Bush administration.

The imperial foundations of our war in Iraq can also be seen from our construction of 14 permanent military bases in Iraq and our insistence on making arrangements for the distribution of oil in Iraq that will benefit American oil companies.


Racism and imperialism disguised

As has always been the case throughout the history of the world whenever crimes against humanity are perpetrated, our current leaders disguise their true intentions behind a veil of gobbelygook. A blueprint for how this is done can be deciphered by an examination of the “statement of principles” of the group known as Project for a New American Century (PNAC), from which the Bush/Cheney administration takes its ideology. The relevant portions of that “statement of principles” are as follows:

We need to … challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values … We need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles. Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

The terms “accept responsibility” and “moral clarity” and “principles” make it clear that the members of PNAC wish the world to know that they are a responsible, moral and principled organization – though what is meant by the morality and principles that they refer to is utterly unclear. The frequent references to security and prosperity lets the American people know that PNAC intends to act in their best interest to protect them and make them prosperous. And the reference to “ensuring our greatness” in the 21st Century serves as a reminder that we are better than the other peoples of the world, which is why they should be morally duty bound to do what we tell them to do. Thus it is that American icons such as Lee Hamilton can say that they are losing patience with Iraq because they are not participating in our war in the manner in which we have repeatedly told them participate.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:38 PM
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1. Use the term "racism" defined not over
groups necessarily genetically distinct but over groups that self-define as socially distinct and you get precisely what you need with the necessary generality--even though it makes it considerably less specific to late 20th-early 21st century America.

This is an attempt to take something of fairly recent vintage and extend it back through millennia of human history, when the overwhelming quantity of "racism", both recent and ancient, was neighbor against near neighbor, and tribe- or clan-based.

I use the term tribalism--viewing today's problems as but a trivial variation on long-standing human tendencies--but make it clear the term refers to religious groupings as well as those based on more traditional tribal ideas (blood, genes, race) or rooted in the idea of state allegiance.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:02 AM
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4. Yes, I agree that other kinds of differences between people other than genetic differences
can act similarly in their malignant effects.

In this OP I wanted to emphasize the effects of the genetic differences leading to differences in appearance. It is of course true that the "enemy" that we are fighting in our "War on Terror" has religious and nationality as well as genetic differences from most white Americans. However I do believe that the physical/genetic differences play an important role in the extent to which way too many Americans are willing to tolerate barbaric inhumane treatment of other human beings by our current government.

For example, we don't see the kind of reaction against Timothy McVey (I don't know what his religion was and I don't believe that most other Americans know or care what his religion was) as we see against the people (and others who are similar to them in appearance) who presumably were responsible for the 9-11 attacks on our country -- or the Iraqis who had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

The bottom line is that I believe that our government is guilty of crimes against humanity, and too many white Americans are infected with racism to see that fact and be outraged by it.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:22 AM
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13. Taking "something of fairly recent vintage and extending it back" is testing an historical theory.
History is a discipline worth exploring further.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:18 PM
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2. I think calling it "racism" is a bit of a stretch.
Ethnic superiority, perhaps. English attitudes towards the Irish in the 18th and 19th century tended to regard the Irish as "degraded" and nearly subhuman, but the Irish are white (and share to some degree a common Celtic and Norman ethnic heritage with England); the attitudes of American colonists of British ancestry to Palatine German immigrants in the mid-1700's wasn't much different (Benjamin Franklin called them "swarthy...boors...who could no more learn our language and customs than they could hope to attain our complexion").

Whether one can call the sense of superiority seen as justifying these attitudes "racism" depends on how narrowly one defines "race"; if "race" means the same thing as "ethnicity", then it's racism; if "race" means simply "white", "black", etc., then it isn't, necessarily.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:25 PM
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3. I think it's fair to say that race and ethnicity are similar phenomena and
that they differ primarily in degree. Neither has a clear scientific meaning, there is no clear scientific consensus on what they mean, and therefore the distinctions are somewhat arbitrary, as discussed in this article:
http://www.trinicenter.com/sciencenews/raceandgenetics.htm

I am familiar with one classification system which divides the human species into 9 races, although the article I read on that system fully admitted that there is no consensus on that classification system, and it therefore must be considered somewhat arbitrary. In that classification system, Europeans and Middle Easterners (sometimes referred to as "semites") were considered as the same race -- which would make the terminology in my OP technically incorrect.

Be that as it may, whatever classification system is used, people classified as a being members of a "race" have genetic make-ups that are somewhat different, on average, than people classified as being members of another race. And the same thing applies to members of different "ethnic groups", although to a lesser degree.

Anyhow, the central point of my OP was not about scientific distinctions concerning race and ethnicity, but rather about the phenomenon of racism, which is better defined than race itself. The bottom line is that different genetic compositions tend to make some people have different appearances than other people, and when those different appearances facilitate hostility or violence between the different groups of people, that is racism. And the phenomenon of racism applies whether or not the differences in appearance are considered in various classification systems to represent a different race or just a different ethnic group.

Which brings me to the main point of my OP: which was to emphasize that the reasons given by our government for the Iraq occupation are virtually 100% bogus (which all DUers realize), and that racism plays a big role in our country in 1) Damping what should be widespread outrage against the war; and 2) Damping what should be widespread outrage against the inhumanity with which we treat our prisoners.

Both of those things are justified by too many Americans, consciously or unconsciously, largely on the feeling that the Iraqis whom we are fighting with and against (and killing thousands of civilians in the process) are sub-human. These are crimes against humanity, and they should be recognized as such. I firmly believe that racism, though largely unrecognized as such, prevents more widespread recognition of that fact in our country.


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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:20 AM
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5. Why not just call it what it is? Bigotry.
Ethnocentrism, racism, nationalism ... it's the ignorance-based hatred of "the other." Whether it's a difference in religion or clothing or skin color or gender or sexual orientation or anything else that the abysmally insecure and inexperienced cling to to make some specious claim to a 'higher right' to live and covet the possessions of others, it's bigotry. Fear of the unknown is humanity's worst 'habit,' imho. Whenever FEAR is exacerbated, bigotry rises commensurately. It's no accident that the far right has pandered to the bigots and accumulates power (and wealth) by sowing the seeds of fear. It's a strategy.


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:54 PM
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17. Certainly bigotry is involved, and there is a lot of overlap between bigotry and racism
But there are differences, and racism is more specific for what I meant to convey in this post. The differences that I see between them are:

1. Racism is more specific to antipathy towards the way people look, rather than the opinions that they hold or their behavior or nationality, whereas bigotry is a more all encompassing term, as you note. I believe that racism specifically has played a major role in how we treat our Muslim prisoners. I notice that the reaction against the presumed Muslims who attacked us on 9-11 is far out of proportion, for example, compared to the reactions of Americans against the Oklahoma City bombing. I believe that racism is largely responsible for that.

2. Racism has a tendency to be unacknowledged, whereas bigotry, almost by definition, assumes that the bigot acknowledges the intolerance that he/she holds.

3. Bigotry refers more specifically to a feeling of superiority or intolerance, whereas racism also involves other types of hostile feelings, including (as a more benign aspect) simply a preference to socialize more with one's own race or with people of similar appearance.


As one example of a difference between the two, I have seen Hitler referred to as a racist or having a racist ideology perhaps hundreds of times. He was undoubtedly also a bigot, but I have never heard him referred to as that. I believe that that is because "racist" is more specific in describing him, and therefore fits him better.


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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:56 AM
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6. TfC, You've outdone yourself!!!
Pardon me if I make any typos, the tears are making it hard to see. THIS is the piece I'd have written were I such a wordsmith as you. HOW to make people understand that the the manifstations of racism, bigotry, fear of other, whatever the hell you want to call it LEAD TO OUR MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION. FUCKING K & R!!! :cry::cry::cry:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:12 AM
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11. Thank you very much Karenina
You managed to add a major point to this thread that I had in mind but probably didn't say very clearly.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 03:10 PM
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31. See the link in post #30
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:07 AM
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7. The screaming paternalism in the way our politicians talk about
Iraqis goes largely under the radar. Not to mention, after we starved them for years and bombed them, now we're "impatient" with their failure to fall in line like good kids while we strip mine their resources. :(
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:31 PM
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15. Lee Hamilton's patience
Lee Hamilton seems, for a Democrat, to have a lot more patience with Republicans than he does with Iraqis. He has a reputation for being very "bipartisan", meaning that when he is appointed to head committees that are set up to investigate wrongdoing (like the Reagan/Bush deals with the Iranians to postpone release of our hostages until after the 1980 Presidential election and like the 9-11 attacks on our country) he goes to great lengths to make sure that the investigations are a whitewash, so that no leading Republican politician needs to worry about being held to account. I guess that's why he's appointed to chair or co-chair so many crucially important investigations.

So when I hear him talking about losing patience with the Iraqis for not doing everything we tell them to do, I have to wonder why he has so much patience with Republicans but so little patience for Iraqis. :shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:46 PM
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16. I don't even know if "republicans" is the right category. He has
The Patience of Lee Hamilton for the BFEE. :shrug:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:11 PM
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21. That't right -- I wasn't specific enough
Lee Hamilton primarily has infinite patience with the BFEE. I guess that's why he has none left for the Iraqis.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:13 AM
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8. Recommended...both to read and to promote
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 07:14 AM by Solly Mack
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:19 PM
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25. 6 recs, Solly. 6.
Unacknowledged racism fuels the genocide in Iraq AND the *MIC's transgressions worldwide. Can you imagine TPTB deciding to "liberate" Norway's resources and folks lining up to shoot them some Reindeer riders? :silly:
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:12 AM
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9. "Prior to the 20th Century the historical evidence of genocide and racism...
"... is less clear, but I doubt that it was much less frequent."

Huh? What history books have YOU been reading? Did they leave out African slavery or the wholesale slaughter of Native American peoples? How about the genocide against Australian aborigines? The British colonization of India? The Spanish slaughter of the Jews? The deliberate subjugation and starvation of the Irish by British imperialists? How about Charlemagne's genocidal campaign against the Saxons or the racism of Dutch and British imperialists that led to genocide and apartheid in South Africa? The list is miles long.

EuroChristian history is FULL of examples of imperialist ambitions fuled by racism. The rest of your essay is very worthy, but that one sentence really threw me for a loop. I think you need to reconsider that statement, one which you yourself refute in later passages of your essay.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:42 AM
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10. Actually, I talked about some of those things in my post
Under "A brief history of racism in the United States", I talked briefly about African slavery and the near extermination of the Native Americans.

You're absolutely right that there are plenty examples of malignant racism in recent centuries, though genocide is another matter, since it has a much more severe and explicit meaning, and there are many examples of malignant racism, including widespread murder, that many would say do not constitute genocide. I believe that the treatment by Whites of the Native Americans would constitute genocide, whereas their relationship to the African slaves was not, since they needed to keep them around to do their work for them. But those are tecnical distinctions that I don't feel are very important. The general principles were certainly very similar.

What I meant to say is that the farther you go back in history the less well documented is the evidence. Most of the examples you gave (except for Charlemagne, who I've read about, but have not heard his campaigns referred to as genocide) are from recent centuries. If you go back to antiquity (the Greeks and the Roman Empire), the relationship of war to racism is certainly less clear, but as I said in my OP I do believe, and recent scholarship also suggests that racism did indeed play a prominent part.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:54 PM
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23. Would you rate the U.S. MIC's assault on Iraq as genocide? n/t
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:13 PM
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24. I believe that U.S. leaders are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity
On January 20-22, 2006, the International Commission of Inquiry On Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration conducted the second and final session of its hearings into the above noted subject, in New York. Here is the website, which provides the hearing schedule, the text of indictments, hearing participants and highlights from the first session. There are five indictments listed. Here are three of them that are relevant to this discussion:


Indictment on war of aggression

Count # 1 describes the illegality of the war itself:
As part of an illegal doctrine of “preemptive war,” based on deliberate and conscious lies, and with no legitimate claim of self defense, the Bush administration planned, prepared and waged the supreme crime of a war of aggression in contravention of the United Nations Charter, the 1949 Geneva Convention and the Nuremberg Principles.


Count #s 2 and 3 describe the illegal manner in which the war was conducted.


Indictment on torture and detention

Here are a couple of excerpts from this indictment, the basis for which are described in great detail in the text:
Count 1: The Bush administration authorized the use of torture and abuse in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law and domestic constitutional and statutory law.

Count 4: The Bush administration authorized the round-up and detention in the United States of tens of thousands of immigrants on pretextual grounds and held them without charge or trial in violation of international human rights law and domestic constitutional and civil rights law.


More specific information on these charges can be found at this link, which I posted last year:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=187503


I don’t believe that any of this would be classified as genocide (though its definition is rather vague and controversial), since the purpose of the Iraq war was not to destroy the Iraqi people (notwithstanding the fact that we have killed hundreds of thousands of them), but rather to occupy their country, gain access to their oil, develop a strategic military advantage for future wars, and make immense profits for friends of the Bush administration. But genocide or not, those responsible for this war are still subject to indictment and conviction before the International Criminal Court, for the crimes mentioned above.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:57 PM
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27. I submit to you for your consideration
that the purpose of the invasion was indeed to destroy the Iraqi people.
Consider the antiquities that were left unguarded IN SPITE OF the world community's protestations, warnings and concern. This was clearly by design as the Oil Ministry suffered no such intrusion. DESTROY the history. Many archeological sites have been desecrated.

Then "Shock and Awe" itself and the declaration that Iraqi dead were not to be "counted." Add to that the depleted uranium ordnance which will sicken and weaken the population (and anyone else who has the misfortune to be in the theatre) for centuries to come.

Next please consider the stationing of John Negroponte. We ALL know what he's about. Civil war blossoms with the *MIC providing arms and training to all contenders. LOTS OF DEAD PEOPLE on the ground WHEREVER he travels.

THEN consider the PNAC manifesto with their explanations of the necessity of "population reduction."

And NOW we have the "surge."

Put 'em all together and what do you get????

Frankly, TfC, I see these reptiles who have seized the American gubmint as committing genocide on the American populace. They've learned their lessons well. It's "passive aggressive" as have been many of the flamefests on this board in recent days. This time no nasty pix or carefully kept records. But that's a story angle we can pursue privately at our leisure.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:57 PM
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28. Well, you could be right -- I cannot say
What seems obvious to me are the motives that I cited in my post #24. What also seems obvious to me is that the Bush administration will have killed as many people as they feel they need to have killed in order to attain their objectives. They don't need to kill all or most of the Iraqis in order to accomplish their objectives, and they do have to pay at least some attention to world opinion, which also helps to keep the killing down lower than it would otherwise be. Yet, it seems to me that they have been quite successful in accomplishing their objectives, as their friends have made billions of dollars and they are proceeding to build the permanent military bases that will establish a permanent U.S. military presence in Iraq.

What they have done constitutes horrendous crimes in my opinion. Whether or not the purpose of the Iraq War was to kill Iraqis, or whether killing Iraqis was just the means that they used to accomplish their goals does little to change the extent of their guilt. If a burgler murders in cold blood anyone who gets in his way but does not go out of his way to murder people who don't get in his way, does that make him less guilty? Perhaps a little bit less guilty, but not a great deal IMO. But he's still a murderer in either case.

The question of whether particular massive killings constitute genocide or not is often over-rated. Genocide is a terrible crime. But massive killings that are not genocide can at times be just as terrible.

The issue of PNAC advocting population reduction is potentially explosive. I haven't read the whole document (I guess I should) -- do they actually advocate population reduction by means of mass killings, or do they use euphamisms to discuss that?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 12:53 PM
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29. IIRC, it's covered in "Rebuilding America's Defenses"
touting the development of bioweapons engineered to target specific racial or ethnic groups...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 02:08 PM
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30. Look what I just ran across!
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:20 AM
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12. One of (if not the) best threads I have ever seen on DU.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:06 PM
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19. Thank you very much Stranger
That is quite a compliment given all the great posts on DU :blush:
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:25 AM
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14. great post!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:49 PM
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18. Kick!
:kick:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:10 PM
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20. kick
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:55 PM
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22. k&r (nt)
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:56 PM
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26. So very very true.
What we have found, however, is that the middle eastern indigenous peoples are not nearly so tractable or easy to subjugate as indigenous peoples in other parts of the world who have been exterminated or whose cultures have been obliterated to make way for the conquering races.

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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 03:20 PM
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32. Incisive essay, but I think it is more complex than that, much more complex.
Often violent expressions of sectional/national identity that have left a globalized record of imperialistic and hegemonic action would be a more accurate sort of description if you will...

Culture is power. Power is culture. War is peace. Domination and wealth are reality.

"It was the same with those old birds in Greece and Rome as it is now. The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know."
-Harry Truman
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