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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:43 AM
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Perfect. Republicans block debate on ANY initiative on Iraq and folks blame Democrats
There's Feingold railing against his party because he thinks the bipartisan resolution on Iraq they're trying to pass isn't strong enough. He's got his own bill, as several others do, but he hasn't figured a way to get past the republican opposition any more than the Democratic leadership he's criticizing has.

I can't tell what he's asking from his party. If it's a more strident bill, or a binding one, how does he expect to get it past the certain republican opposition? Is his idea of being 'tough' passing a partisan bill and sending it to Bush for a certain veto? That's what the effect would be if he managed to get his bill past the republican filibuster brigade. It would amount to nothing but a protest vote.

Today, Feingold is in the same position as the Democratic leadership because his own bill is being blocked along with the bipartisan, sense of the Senate resolution. Where's the 'courage' in that? Anyone can go off on their own and craft any strident, confrontational bill they want and call themselves a maverick and denounce everyone else and call them weak. But, in the end, the effect of Feingold's confrontational bill is the same as the bipartisan compromise.

The REAL obstacle to getting any rebuke to the floor has been constructed by the minority leader, McConnell, and his minions. I don't think for a minute that our Democratic leaders and members are sitting on their hands, in defeat. We have the majority, and unless the republicans have lost all desire to deliver the bacon to their constituents, they will soon capitulate.

But, to posture as if our Democratic leaders are, somehow, less concerned about confronting Bush, less determined, less courageous than the rest of us is just grandstanding without a reasonably effective plan to overcome the certain obstruction from the republicans. Here we are at the beginning of this Congress, and folks are behaving as if our party has already played out our last hand.

Even more ridiculous is the notion that throwing everything we have at the republicans first, without trying to compromise, would cause them to fold and our position to prevail. If that happens, it will not happen quickly. If we get to the point where ALL of the republicans are digging in their heels in defense of the White House on Iraq, there will be nothing we can do short of impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. I don't believe, as some do, that that prospect is at all assured or a simple proposition. At any rate, such a move against the White House would not happen quickly, and would likely carry over into the thick of the next presidential election cycle - causing them to dig in even further.

I think that what is needed is already being worked on by our party leaders. There will be plenty of points of access and accommodation that republicans will want to take advantage of. It should eventually dawn on them how legislatively humiliating the next two years will be for their members and constituents if they don't bend our way on Iraq. But, in the face of the opposition from the White House and their republican enablers the effort to hold Bush accountable will not materialize overnight. No matter how much folks want our party to just roll over the opposition, there just aren't enough votes among those we elected to sustain that right now. That's not the end of the process, it's the point of the effort where the rubber meets the road.

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:48 AM
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1. Anything short of withdrawal/redeployment is playing politics with our soldiers' lives.
The governed, by whose consent they earn their salaries, have spoken. What part of that do they not understand?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:51 AM
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3. again, they don't have the power to unilaterally effect that
Withdrawal/redeployment is their goal, as it is ours. Achieving that in the face of the opposition is the rub.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:54 AM
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5. As the Majority they have a bully pulpit
Majority members get far more air time than does the Minority (at least that is what they used to tell us) so they have the power to bring it to the people. Hear those crickets chirping?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:59 AM
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7. I don't know where you've been, but they are using that pulpit
they did yesterday, and they will today and afterward.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:50 AM
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2. Thanks for this cautiously optimistic post, bigtree. We are all
impatient for some action, including Feingold, and it's showing. I'm sure the Dems are working towards some kind of resolution acceptable to all, but I'm frustrated that this might be put on the back burner for a few weeks. How many die in the interim? I think this war should be kept on the front burner until something is accomplished, and make that a gas burner so we can hold rethugs' feet to the fire.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:54 AM
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4. I like the fire. It keeps folks from becoming complacent.
I believe Pelosi has the fire. I believe Reid has the fire. Many others in Congress do, as well.

If Sen. Feingold has a plan to overcome the opposition that has a chance of success I'd like to hear it, and I know the leadership would also.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:55 AM
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6. No matter what anyone says..the message is not getting OUT
The democrats have to find a way to break the block on the media that the republicans have. NOTHING negative to this minority congress and bush in paticular is getting out to the public. All they hear is negative crap about the democrats.

If the democrats don't break up the media they will have to start their own TV station and newspapers to tell the public what is going on. Did you notice that CNN and MSNBC are INTERVIEWING REPUBLICANS about the Iraq situation. About the democrats being in disarray and not getting their bills passed. And the republicans are feeding the facts to the public that the democrats are holding everything up.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:10 AM
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8. Bitwit is correct.
Rightly or Wrongly the Media is covering this as almost
a Coup for the Republicans. TV is where the average
person get their news. Only leaders like Trent Lott
have I seen on TV.

Average Americans do not have access to WaPo, NYT.

Lott starting yesterday has been on every cable outlet.
You know whose perspective he presents.

Our Leaders had better start using their bully pulpit.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:11 AM
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9. We do still have a media problem
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 10:13 AM by bigtree
here's our party leader, Howard Dean (didn't see this on the news):


WASHINGTON, Feb. 5 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today, Senate Republicans blocked an up-or-down vote on a resolution concerning the President's escalation of the War in Iraq and his refusal to offer a new direction that the American people demanded in November. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean issued the following statement:

"This is the most important issue facing our nation and the American
people have made it clear where they stand. We believe that the American
people deserve to know where their representatives in Congress stand on the
President's escalation of the Iraq War. Why are the president's supporters
in Congress afraid to have to stand up and tell the American people where
they stand on the president's efforts to escalate the war? By voting to
block this debate, Republicans have essentially given a green light to
President Bush to continue down the same failed strategy in Iraq.

"This bi-partisan resolution is a critical first step to holding the
president accountable and it is the basis for the first real debate on the
President's flawed Iraq policy since the war began nearly four years ago.
This obstructionism makes it clear that Republicans in Congress are not
interested in offering a new direction in Iraq that the American people
called for last November."


more: http://www.prnewswire.com/usnewswire/
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:20 AM
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10. I guess it's up to the voters in 2008
I'd focus attention on making sure every vote counts in 2008. Lets see if the Republicans vote against that. Once we know that all votes will get counted honestly, the votes in this Congress will be the noose with which they hang themselves.

I'd up the ante now....maybe start serious discussions about investigations ->impeachment.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:21 AM
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11. troops shouldn't have to wait that long
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:22 PM
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12. New TV Ad Targets GOP Senators Who Blocked Anti-Escalation Measure
WASHINGTON, Feb. 6 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A new TV ad will begin
airing on Wednesday, Feb. 7 in states represented by Republican senators
who filibustered a resolution expressing opposition to President Bush's
plan to increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq.

The ad buy in targeted states criticize Senators Warner, Brownback,
Sununu, Smith, Voinovich, Specter, McConnell, and Dole for filibustering a
bipartisan measure, sponsored by Senators John Warner (R-VA), Carl Levin
(D-MI), and Joseph Biden (D-DE), that expressed disapproval of the
president's escalation plan for Iraq. Republicans blocked the debate so
there was no vote on the measure.

"At a time when most Americans oppose the Bush escalation plan, and
when a solid bipartisan majority of Senators has agreed on a resolution
expressing that opposition, it is outrageous that a handful of Senators
would stand in the way," said Tom Matzzie, Washington director of
MoveOn.org Political Action. "We are going to make sure their constituents
know what they've done," concluded Nita Chaudhary of MoveOn.org Political Action.

ad and article: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=ind_focus.story&STORY=/www/story/02-06-2007/0004521771&EDATE=TUE+Feb+06+2007,+03:05+PM
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:39 PM
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13. kick
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