Update: Kerry to introduce bill calling for a November 2007 deadline for withdrawal.

[ProSense]

January in Iraq

Update: press release

[midnight]

1. Yes. Let's hope that for the next two years that our Dem. leaders

continue to ask politely for the end to this war. And all the other Dems. can look the other way.

[ProSense]

2. Let's hope more than 13 Dems vote for this plan. n/t

[blm]

3. I think they will. Kerry and Feingold are NOT letting the deadline issue drop.

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[ProSense]

7. Updated OP n/t

[emulatorloo]

4. Good -- when are the Republicans going to come to their senses and join in?

At some point they are going to realize that sticking with Bush is a mistake. When will they see that doing what is right is more important than loyality to President Disaster?

[stubtoe]

5. Go, Johnnie, go!

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[ProSense]

6. "transferring full security responsibility to the Iraqis by November of 2007"

transferring full security responsibility to the Iraqis by November of 2007.

[blm]

10. That should be your OP subject

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[ProSense]

11. Too late to edit. n/t

[blm]

8. They got 13 votes before - let's push the senate to give this 51 votes.

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[nam78_two]

9. K&R.nt

[LSK]

12. keep those bills coming

Keep bringing this debate to the GOP and let them keep ignoring it.

Its the GOPS funeral.

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. Kerry's deadline is Bush's dreadline.

[LittleClarkie]

19. Which would make Bush have to stick to it

But I bet his plan isn't Bush's plan, in that he has one, and I'm pretty sure Bush doesn't beyond sending more troops.

[npincus]

14. Hell yeah!

[smoogatz]

15. Symbolism is a fine thing.

I think we need more symbolic gestures like this, so we all feel better about Iraq. But let's not actually do anything substanive, like cut off the funding. That could get us in trouble with, you know, the punditry.

[blm]

17. Nonbinding resolutions are sybols. This isn't a symbol - it's a solid withdrawal plan.

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[LittleClarkie]

18. Where are you reading the words non-binding anywhere

Just wondering.

It's not a resolution. It's a bill.

[smoogatz]

20. Same answer to both of you:

It's symbolism because it isn't going to pass, no way, no how, and Kerry knows it. Even if a miracle occurred and it DID pass, Bush would veto it. Kerry knows that too. So it's just posturing, at this point--pure theater. And Kerry is entirely aware of that reality, too.

[LittleClarkie]

21. As a Senator, what else has he got

And what's the point of theater when you're not running for president.

[Mass]

22. Do not try - Logic escapes to some people.

If offering a resolution that has no chance of passing is posturing, what is offering a resolution of cutting funds? Total posturing?

No, of course. It is leadership in both cases because they know they are offering propositions that probably will not pass but will push the debate further. This is what they have been doing for more than 2 years now. So, kudos to both of them (Feingold and Kerry) for offering propositions that include a deadline.

We need more and more bills going in the same direction: offering solutions to get out of Iraq.

[TayTay]

27. Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post disagreed with that

He said that this is a step in the process for getting a real resolution on the floor and passed in this session.

There are, after all, all those Repub Senators who are up next year who do not want to have the Iraq War hung like and albatross around their necks. Cillizza predicted that within a few weeks to a few months, this stuff will start to have teeth and to pass.

[cadmium]

23. Who has filed a bill to cut off funding?

[Mass]

24. Feingold - In 6 months.

http://feingold.senate.gov/%7Efeingold/releases/07/01/20070131iraq.html

However, note that this is only combat forces. All bills offered have the same provisions concerning training, counterterrorism, and protection of US personnels and infrastructures.

[cadmium]

26. Very good. I had heard him propose

this but didnt' realize he filed the bill. It is time.

[smoogatz]

28. That wouldn't come in the form of a separate bill, most likely.

It would be part of the budget. And it's the only strategy that has a realistic chance of working right now.

[ProSense]

16. Posted the full release

at Daily Kos.

[cadmium]

25. They should keep filing it and filing it as

an ammendment, a bill, and a resolution. It is always matched by a competing milder proposal moving the senate at least in the right direction.