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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:39 PM Original message |
If she sas 'NO' and you pull out, is it still a rape? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. hmm. well |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. article says accuser and accused agree he did not continue to climax |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. agreed. |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Consensual Sex Contract |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The contract wouldn't matter if she changed her mind during |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Unless that was her plan all along |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. it's always funny (in a sick way) |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. THANK YOU |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Well I'm just a guy |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. I'm a guy too, and I don't see that as a valid excuse. |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. I don't reject that men are raping women |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
103. ThomCat, you're on a roll today! |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #103 |
157. I'll go much farther than that |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #157 |
172. ThomCat ALWAYS does, from everything I've seen. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #157 |
219. he's earned my respect |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
134. withdrawn |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Thank you. n/t |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. We love luring men into situations that will get them arrested, don't we? |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Of course! To hear some men talk about it, |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
108. My guess is "very unsatisfying" |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
70. I think in this case though, there is a point |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
96. Read post #61 below for more on this case. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #96 |
140. I did, and I can't argue with you one bit |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
182. Exactly. |
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wickedcity (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
195. And yet... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Oh here we go... |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. I think that something like that happens in a very narrow |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. if this hypothetical woman is in fear for her life... |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
74. Was just an observation |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Only a third of rape cases are ever even reported |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
153. The incidence of false rape reports is no different than for other |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #153 |
203. So even thinking about such a possiblity makes one a paranoid delusional |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #203 |
233. Wellllll..... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
150. I see you've discovered |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. and maybe the fuckin jackass who can't pull his dick out |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Ok, help me out here |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Thank you |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. band together boys! |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. There's always a group of guys who give that impression |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I'm not generalizing all or even most DU men but you're right... |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
81. I wonder if those guys are related to the guys who said |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Yes, I'm sure it's some of the very same guys. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. but you see, as long as they give her cabfare, they're gentlemen |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Oh yes. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #99 |
175. At this point, as an observer reading this thread... |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. Did you catch the deleted post below? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. No, missed that. What's up? |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. It set a pretty nasty tone. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Okay, well I'm gonna stay clear. Thanks for the heads-up. |
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Porcupine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #175 |
208. I'm not sure you're allowed to say that..... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #208 |
216. yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #216 |
236. Yes, it is |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #175 |
217. oh please. |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #175 |
226. .. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #99 |
207. Dinner beforehand, cabfare afterward |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I see, so your hypothetical man is soooooo attuned to his body |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. oh my |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. LOL hate??!! |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Okay, what was that guy doing |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Who said anything about violence or intimidation? |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. I brought up violence and intimidation because |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
229. good points |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
102. Read post #61 for more. This was not a case of "consent" that was repealed. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. If and when a woman says "No" |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Agree, but this is confusing |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. I don't think that's fair. nt |
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Turn CO Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
155. "she wanted him to stop; he did so within a matter of seconds" |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #155 |
163. Please read the whole thread including the details of this case. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
194. If that's what really happened, then the ruling was fucked. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I don't know-- |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. I really want to know what these "other sex offenses" were... |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Possibly. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. There are too many pieces missing to assume |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. It sounds as though the article implies that the jury may have misunderstood |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. I would need to know what was said to the jury. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Okay-- |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. *sigh* |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. See below. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. thank you for that. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. The article suggests that weakens and cheapens the concept |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. seems pretty difficult to me. at SOME point a woman needs to have |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
85. this is NOT a man/woman issue to me. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #85 |
116. i read post #61. totally different story than op n/t |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. This is why everyone should videotape all of their sexual encounters. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:33 PM Original message |
Yup. Or bring witnesses. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. "At a certain point during arousal, we don't have complete control over our ability to stop," |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. You're right. It's total bullshit. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Yeah, the "guys are really just walking hard-ons" excuse doesn't wash. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. however- that ability can vary from man to man as well... |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. Um, even in the throes or orgasm one can pull out. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
104. blanket statements are almost never true. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. perhaps more "animalistic" people who can't pull out should be |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. This case was decided by a jury... who heard details not printed in Time |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. lol, um I'm not a man for one... and I have never met a feminist that has said |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #104 |
124. "...people who get more...animalistic..." |
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rzr77 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
129. do you have a penis ? nt |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #129 |
143. Is that a relevant question? |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #143 |
169. Maybe he's taking a pole. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. Coitus interruptus is something us older guys are probably more familiar with than younger ones. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. More bullshit. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
101. and of course since it never happens to YOU, it never happens... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. Deleted message |
Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
123. Please be specific. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
49. Amen. nt |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:03 PM Original message |
I think it's an appropriate legal protection |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
23. I'm pretty sure the Maryland high court will overturn this one. n/t |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
11. As soon as one of the two says no, it should end |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
12. "At a certain point during arousal, we don't have complete control over our ability to stop," |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
57. What she said... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. hey you |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Hey... |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
16. I think the subject line could apply to Iraq. |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
24. Yes it is in IMHO. Suppose she becomes afraid that since there is no protection she could get |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
27. That jury's freaking moronic... |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
29. this will never fly in court |
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KenHodson (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
32. Well that's it. Time to stop breeding and give the cockroaches a chance. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. Wait--they don't? |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
42. If a woman tells you to stop, you stop, period, immediately, end of story. |
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Caution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
68. If at any point consent is withdrawn by either party, all activity should stop immediately |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
112. Amen. |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
223. Exactly correct |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. There's plenty of internet porn available, guys |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
166. Did YOU read post #61? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
61. Fuck the media and everyone who buys into their sexist bullshit |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Thanks for the new info. |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Shocking and disgusting. Thank you for posting that. You're 100% right... |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. When ever it's an issue of someone getting victimized |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. I'm With Ya, Thom |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
90. the convicted rapist complied "within seconds" |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Keep Reading, Max |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
198. My husband STILL asks me and we're married and I'm pregnant. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. Well, That Changes The Story Quite A Bit Now Doesn't It? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Yes, though I'd use stronger language |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. There Is No Consent Under Duress |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. But Maryland and South Carolina don't allow someone to change his/her mind |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. indeed |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. THANK YOU for this missing info. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. The Whole Story In Time Is Now Just Ridiculous, No? |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. well at least we're not the ones eating crow on this thread... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. Boy, Am I Glad I Read The Whole Thread Before Commenting |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. OK, now the OP, and the Jury's question makes less sense... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. what makes even less sense |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
114. I think it was prosecutoral stupidity myself... |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Absolutely right. Coerced consent is not consent. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Yeah, and here I am assuming this is settled law... |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
98. I agree. This was a rape before he "stuck it in her". Disgusting. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #98 |
121. But the court still considered |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. Unreal, isn't it? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
83. Great Find. That's An Entirely Different Story Than What The Media Is Reporting |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. The media trying to make this into a repealed consent issue is terrifying. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #100 |
178. And check out who they're quoting |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #178 |
188. I just checked out his website |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #188 |
201. That's it |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #178 |
189. Ugh, I missed that. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
113. Thank you. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
118. lwfern, thank you |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #118 |
179. I don't remember where I saw it |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
120. I've never written a letter to Time before |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #120 |
167. The article is awful |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
160. Holy cow. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #61 |
222. Thank you. I was hoping for clarification from anyone who was |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
237. Um... she was eighteen at the time, a college student |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
88. If it's Iraq, the U.S. should try it and see whether it can beat the rap. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
97. We need to pull out of Iraq and stop THAT rape. |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
106. Are you saying that in Maryland and North Carolina if sex becomes painful the participants are |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #106 |
115. That is correct. |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
110. It should not go much further than this... |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
117. I think it depends on what was said to get the woman to have sex... |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
125. Not unless she never agreed to begin with. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
127. So if someone changes their mind, is it a breach of contract? |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
128. I had read the whole thread when I made my comment |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
130. Deleted message |
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131. Deleted sub-thread |
HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Read the details of the case. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Deleted message |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Ah, I doubt it. Sounds to me like |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. you're probably right... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Deleted message |
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148. Deleted message |
EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #130 |
142. Dude, read the description |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. LOL don't worry, we don't! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #130 |
146. Deleted sub-thread |
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152. Deleted sub-thread |
Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #130 |
154. Yep, we have it sooooooooo easy - lying about being raped PWNS!!111!!!!111 |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #130 |
161. Do yourself a favor and read post #61 nt |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Self-delete, apparently I can't read a thread properly sorry lol. |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #130 |
164. You advocate and instigate "payback" against a woman who says no? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #130 |
168. that's a wtf post if I've ever seen one |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. It's gone. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #170 |
183. Did he come back and try to defend that? |
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rzr77 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #183 |
197. See post # 196. nt |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #183 |
224. dammit nt |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
135. Of Course it is.. If you don't stop you are a selfish pig. N/T |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
141. I'm recommending this thread, and here's why. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Me too, well said. nt |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. I will join you in that receommendation and add to it. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #141 |
158. Great post |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #141 |
221. wish I could 'recommend' this post. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
149. y'know, i'm reaLLy snickersed out right now |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
151. In this case, if events really happened as pointed out in #61, the two males were rapists. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. 1 second and 10 minutes are very very different -- in between is not a grey area - |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. Katherine! |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #165 |
171. Okay, fair, I didn't actually count it out - it IS too long - |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #171 |
232. Exactly right |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #156 |
220. I said *somewhere* between 1 second and 10 minutes |
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salinen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
159. "The murkiness surrounding what's reasonable has deepened further |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
173. If I was fucking and she started saying no no no! |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. There is a lot more to the story than the OP revealed. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. The whole thing sounds strange, it is a slippery slope |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Like I said, post 61 -- |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. Yeah I saw the left out testamony the M$M didn't mention. |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #177 |
190. The question though is what is considered "immediately"? |
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rzr77 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #190 |
196. Radical feminists have a lot in common with xtian fundies, imo |
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HoneyBee (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #196 |
202. Is ignorance really bliss, rzr?? If so, you must be on "Cloud 9®" |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #196 |
204. Hi, Rush! I'd heard the rumors you visited here |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #196 |
228. here's a feminist perspective on sex for you |
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rzr77 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. Whatever, it's not like rad fems to tolerate any real debate anyway. nt |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #231 |
235. yeah, 'cause comparing feminists you don't like to xtian fundies... |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #196 |
238. Rape is not sex. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #190 |
211. Did you make up that version while you were smoking crack? |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #190 |
227. what a mess this case is |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
187. Flipped my lid |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. *sigh* I wish I was shocked |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. It shocks me |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #193 |
200. agreed - but on most threads, |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #187 |
199. My biggest surprise |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
192. I'm in a permanent relationship, so my case is moot, but it's a fucked situation if it gets to that |
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rzr77 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #192 |
205. nice. prison rape of males is humorous, yet rape of females is crisis. nt |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #205 |
206. I thought you said raping females was "payback" |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #206 |
209. ~ |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #209 |
210. Beats me...and there's another one around too. |
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rzr77 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #206 |
212. I never said that - let the mods pull it back up and check it. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. Didn't you say that a girl who stopped in the middle of sex |
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rzr77 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. I think she does deserve some type of justice |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #214 |
215. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #214 |
225. You seem to be operating under the delusion that this happens a lot -- |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #214 |
230. ? |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
218. "we don't have complete control over our ability to stop" - Mel Feit |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
234. apart from the legal issue, I wouldn't WANT to continue if she said stop. |
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