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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:53 PM
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Larry Johnson: Pincus lit the fuse on the Plamegate Bomb
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/02/pincus_lit_the_.html

Until the start of the Libby trial, most folks and chroniclers assumed that the Nick Kristof piece in May of 2003 spurred the White House to go after Joe and Valerie Wilson. But based on the timeline emerging from the Libby trial the real culprit is Walter Pincus, the legendary warhorse reporter at the Washington Post, whose work on an article that appeared on June 12, 2003 set in motion the events that eventually produced the "outing" of Valerie Plame, the wife of Ambassador Joe Wilson and an undercover CIA officer.

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Much more ....



Outstanding timeline and insights, as always.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:01 PM
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1. Nominated.
Great article! Thank you for this!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:09 PM
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2. Link to commentary at dKos
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:23 PM
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3. kick for Larry Johnson


Always Prepared
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:32 PM
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4. HEY STRANGER!! been missing you! ..and a K&R for larry!! n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:02 PM
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5. Does the 'panic' in the WH over the Wilson part mean that there was no panic about
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 04:09 PM by higher class
the Niger forgeries in the year preceding? Meaning - were they in control of the press regarding that event to the point that they didn't have to panic? Were there no laws broken that could be followed up on. Did no follow-up to the crime of forgery contribute to their arrogance (of thinking they were omnipotent)? Ledeen was off to other proects? It was lost in the back streets of Milan and Rome?

It seemed to me that the SOTU speech alluded as much to the forgeries as anything at the time (that we know about so far).

Funny, even lies have to have something a little bit concrete so that they can be twisted into horrible outcomes for the innocent and a gamble for the greedy.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:39 PM
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6. Thank you very much.
:hi:
:thumbsup:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:54 PM
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7. HuffPo link to Larry's latest:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:10 PM
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8. It's always important to hear what Larry Johnson is saying, whether on C-Span,
or in articles. He has earned a highly respected reputation. Hope for a long, healthy life for him, as someone who has really stuck his neck out at times to get information to Americans who actually care about the truth.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:13 PM
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9. I believe Cheney had Plame on his "target list" long before May 2003.
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 05:20 PM by TahitiNut
Cheney's six visits to the CIA beginning in late 2002 had, imho, one objective: to plug, suppress, and filter ANY dissenting intel that contradicted the fabricated PNAC casus belli. Cheney already had motive to destroy Plame/CPD/Brewster - they'd blown the AQ Khan cover and had intel that repudiated both the Iraq WMD hoax and the coming Iran/nukes false alarm.

Absolutely every other contrived 'rationale' for outing Plame doesn't pass the sniff test - they're cover stories like layers of an onion. There's no way in hell outing Plame made Wilson appear less credible. There's no way in hell Wilson was intimidated by it; if anything, it motivated him to go more public. There's absolutely no way that any claim of 'nepotism' (from people for whom nepotism is a sacrament?) would harm the credibility of Wilson - who'd already served in an identical capacity in the late 90s.

They outed Plame to destroy 'methods and sources' that didn't toe the Cheney/WHIG/PNAC line.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:33 PM
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10. I posted some speculation in 2005 on the issue of Cheney, Plame that ...
.... you may find of interest:

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Several bloggers and folk have speculated as to why a "meticulous and intelligent" lawyer, i.e., Libby, would commit multiple felonies as part of a cover-up.

Perhaps it's simple - Libby knew Cheney had direct contact with Valerie Wilson at the CIA. Not tangential interaction, but direct. Perhaps Mrs Wilson was among those challenging the VP regarding any citation of the forged Niger documents.

A key aspect of this hypothesis is that TO THIS DAY, Mrs. Wilson would likely be prohibited by the "need to know" caveat, from discussing any such interactions with Cheney -- with anyone -- including her husband.

Ambassador Wilson would have no "need to know" regarding the activities of Mrs. Wilson's CIA division, particularly, any actions she may have had with the VP and his representatives (which would have included Libby and Hannah and others).

Amb. Wilson has been explicit that after Mrs. Wilson introduced him at CIA HQ she left the room and had no further dealings with his trip to Niger.

Thus, Mrs. Wilson would not have been able to prevent Amb. Wilson from publishing his Op-Ed by using the one piece of information that might have given him pause -- that she was a principal in the efforts of the CIA (all of which were classified) to keep the President from using the Niger reference in his October 7, 2002, speech in Cincinnati, and all subsequent efforts to prevent that information from being used to justify a war on Iraq.

Just an hypothesis -- but a testable one.

All Mr. Fitzgerald has to do, if he hasn't already, is ask Mrs. Wilson the question(s). And, he has both the security clearances and "need to know."

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More at the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5260617



BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION - 24/7
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:40 PM
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11. I have to believe that Fitz has interviewed Plame.
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 05:40 PM by TahitiNut
I also have to believe that he's holding onto her testimony for a "bigger fish fry." ("Sealed v. Sealed") I think it's obvious that Fitz has an abundance of intel that he has used to guide his investigation.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:44 PM
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12. Roger ...


Peace,
Bob
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:49 PM
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16. I actually remember that post.
To my (incomplete) knowledge, Fitzgerald hasn't taken testimony from either of the Wilsons to date, because it's not been material to the investigation currently before him.

Very interesting that Libby knew that Grenier had confirmed her CPD position to him on June 11. Makes me more curious about the changed date on that one page of notes.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:48 AM
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17. "Very interesting that Libby knew that Grenier had confirmed her CPD position to him on June 11."
Indeed!

:hi: my friend,
Bob
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:46 PM
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13. emptywheel: "evolution of Dick's talking points"
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 05:47 PM by understandinglife
Excellent chronological analysis:

I made the point the other day that if Cheney were put on the stand, he might be put in a place where he refuted some of Libby's testimony. Specifically, Cheney might have to admit that he and Libby talked about revealing Plame's identity with reporters during the week of July 6. And this presents a problem, because it either means both Libby and Cheney would claim to have forgotten about Plame's ID, then learned it again as if it were new the week of the leak. Or, they'd effectively be admitting to leaking Plame's ID after having learned of it through classified channels, making it a possible violation of the IIPA (barring, of course, a Cheney claim to have declassified Plame's identity before leaking it to reporters, which is where I think we are heading).

But given what we know about how Cheney's own talking points on Plame evolved between June 10 and July 14, it is almost impossible for Cheney to argue that he--like Libby--forgot Plame's ID and learned it as if it were new. Which of course makes it difficult for Libby to argue that he forgot. If his boss was actively remembering, what are the chances Libby was actively forgetting? Huh.

So here's the evolution of Cheney's talking points, as best as I can reconstruct them.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/6/154344/1550



IT'S TRIBUNAL TIME IN THE US of A
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:15 PM
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14. Well, I have a lot of respect for Larry Johnson, and he is possibly correct that
the Pincus rather than the Kristoff article was of the most concern to these traitors (--although there is still a possibility that focus on the Pincus article is misdirection by Libby's defense team, on the matter of Libby's lies--we need more analysis of the memos and their various editings/crossouts/rewrites, and their context, to be sure).

But what strikes me about this Larry Johnson article is the number of assumptions he makes that fit with what I think may be a second layer cover story--that Cheney did it (conspired to out Plame/Brewster-Jennings) for political reasons. (The first layer cover story was that Rove did it for political reasons).

Johnson's assumptions are that Cheney & Co. were taken by surprise, in June 2003--surprise that an insider was publicly criticizing them (Wilson), that his wife was the chief of an important covert WMD counter-proliferation network with world-wide contacts, and that the Niger/Iraq nuke allegation is something that was "cherry-picked" from available information (and not deliberately manufactured, forged documents and all).

His statement about the rising level of panic in Cheney's office, when Pincus began asking questions and published his article, points to Cheney concern about the political debate on the justifications for the war, as it became increasingly clear that there were no WMDs in Iraq. I think the panic has a different origin, that predates Pincus, having to do with the operational end of the promotion of an unjust war. We see a little thread of it, in the insistence of WH operatives on putting the Niger/Iraq nuke allegation BACK into Bush's SOTU speech, after it had it had been removed by the CIA, as completely bogus, in a previous Bush speech. Why did they need that already disproved allegation to be spoken by Bush in a major speech? Condi and Darth could have gone on mumbling about "mushroom clouds," etc., with impunity, in the war profiteering corporate news monopoly newsstream of the time (pre-war), without putting the President in such a position. The effect would have been the same--clouding the horizon with doom. It was all bullshit anyway.

And I think the answer includes the lo-o-ong planning period of the Niger/Iraq nuke allegation (going back at least to the Rome meeting in late 2001, attended by rabid NeoCon Michael Ladeen and others on the Pentagon payroll, the head of the Italian intelligence agency, SISMI, and notorious Iran-Contra arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar). The Niger/Iraq nuke allegation was part of a PLAN--that possibly went like this: 1) have Bush make the allegation in a very public and central way, and (by the deliberate "crudeness" of the forgeries (wrong dates, wrong names--easily detectable)), get the CIA on record with a known "no nukes in Iraq" position; and 2) PLANT the nukes in Iraq, to be "found" by the U.S. troops who were "hunting" for them (notably accompanied by NYT WMD propagandist Judith Miller), to create that "triumphant" moment for Bush and Blair--a "find" of WMDs in Iraq, the war justified, and the CIA (and anyone else in government who thought it was their job to prevent war, not manufacture it) discredited forever.

But something went wrong. The whole plan began to unravel in the April-June period, 2003. No WMDs were found. And Part 1 of the scheme--the basis of the Niger/Iraq allegation (the fake documents)--was beginning to smell real bad.

Proceed, then, into the late June/early July period. One thing that has occurred, in late May, is the BBC whistleblower, who said that the Brits had "sexed up" the prewar intel. (Bush used the Brits in his SOTU speech as the basis for the Niger allegation). No one knew who it was. Talk about panic. IF the Bushites had been up to MORE than just lying, but had been trying to PLANT the weapons, imagine the fear of exposure they must have felt, not knowing who it was or what else he might know. And, once again, I have to stress the lapdog U.S. press corps, with all news and opinion in this country controlled by 5 rightwing billionaire CEOs. Dissenters LOSE in this context. And it has never been worse than in the years 2002 and 2003. Mere dissent about the prewar lies, which are just words, after all--easily fudged, fuzzied, smeared over, and wormed out of--even dissent from insiders--was not likely the cause of what the Bushites and the Blairites did next.

The Blairites went ballistic--and mercilessly hunted David Kelly down within government, interrogated him at a "safe house," threatened him with the "Official Secrets Act," and outed him to the press.

And, while this was happening, David Kelly's old colleague, Judith Miller, was having 'Mata Hari" meetings with Libby, some parts of which she has adamantly refused to disclose. (Fitzgerald had to agree, to get her testimony about Libby's lies). By July 6, when Wilson's article came out, and July 7, the next day, when Tony Blair was informed that David Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things" (could say, not HAD said) (Hutton report), there was full blown panic in the White House, with a top secret memo circulating on AF-1 (over Africa), flurries of activity on this matter, and top Bushites calling at least SIX reporters in one week--to get Valerie Plame outed (or assist with the cover story that "everybody knew")--at high risk of treason charges (not to mention earning the deadly enmity of the CIA).

And this is the kicker--the thing that convinces me that this was more than a political controversy, and that Cheney & Co. were worried about far more than the questioning of their veracity in the run-up to the war. Consider this time-line:

July 6: Wilson publishes his article.
July 7: Blair informed that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things."
July 14: Plame outed (by Novak).
July 18: Kelly found dead, under highly questionable circumstances; his office and computers are searched.
*July 22*: Novak ADDITIONALLY outs the entire Brewster-Jennings WMD counter-proliferation network--the covert agents/contacts who track nukes and other WMDs worldwide--putting them in danger of getting killed, and disabling all projects.

And I would like to add that the Bush Junta was ALSO wantonly engaged in torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay and at secret torture dungeons around the world, during this same period. Were they torturing and killing any who might know about their nefarious scheme to plant nukes in Iraq--maybe friends/contacts of David Kelly's (who was a UN weapons inspector and had friends in Iraq)? There were several news reports from Islamic sources of botched U.S. efforts to plant WMDs in Iraq during this period--with no follow-up. These reports vanished into the newsstream.

People forget that there were TWO outings--first Plame, then seven days later (after Kelly was found dead), the entire network--so that if any bad guys had failed to connect the dots between Plame and people in their own government who were monitoring illicit WMD movement, they were given this great assist in ferreting them out and destroying their careers or lives, by the publication of the name of the CIA front company in the newspaper.

I think we are looking at an operational crime, not just a political crime, and one that was premeditated over a long period of time, not just a panicky reaction to a newsstream controversy--and this (an operational crime) points to Rumsfeld (notably gone from the government--with no change of policy in Iraq--so why did he go?). The political end of the crime--Cheney & Co. outing Plame/B-J, to punish Wilson and frighten other dissenters--the current part of the picture that we can see--in the Libby trial and elsewhere--may be (and I think probably is) a cover up of the REAL reason for the outingS.

Fitzgerald penetrated the first layer of the cover up (Rove), which is likely why he didn't indict Rove (who was, and remains, very indictable). He's now at the second layer. Someone at DU was wondering why all these people who had a hand in outing Plame/B-J--Cheney, Rove, Armitage, J. Miller, Novak, Fleischer and others--have not been indicted for doing so, and why Libby has only been indicted on perjury/obstruction. The answer may be that Fitzgerald is aware that he is still looking at a layer of the cover up, and that all these people took the great risks that they did, in order to hide a worse crime. What Fitzgerald SAID--in his one press conference on this matter--is that Libby "threw dust in the eyes of the umpire," obscuring both the perps AND their reason for what they did (--very important to Fitzgerald--the WHY.)

It could be a nefarious scheme to plant WMDs on Saddam, hatched in the Pentagon "Office of Special Plans." It could be something else that Plame/B-J was investigating. (A network like that follows leads, and stray threads; they see mid-point or end-point actions; they don't necessarily know who originated those actions. They could have been tracking a number of things--illicit nuke networks, 9/11 money trails--that made them quite dangerous to the criminals and thieves in the White House and the Pentagon.)

However, the events of June-July 2003 point strongly to a specific thing that caused panic in the Bush/Blair inner circles. And I don't think it was a newspaper article.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:44 PM
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15. that "outing" is such an understatement!
When you put someone's life at risk, they call it an "outing?" Bush-brat and the future Cheney-chain-gang need to go on an outing: Right out of office.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:16 AM
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18. Excellent. First rate stuff.
Glad to have the address of that blog too. I'll have even less reason to read the Post national/international news.

Thanks, :thumbsup:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:02 AM
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19. Thanks, UL, and other contributors...
...for helping to sort out this whole story for We, the Readers.

"Oh, what a twisted trail *they* leave, when first they practice to deceive."

I hope the trail leads to an abyss of magnificent proportions.
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