It seems 494,928 voter records in Florida have disappeared!

[Dr.Phool]

I received this e-mail from the FDP last night. Included is a link to the Secretary of States web-site, where you can check to see whether you voted or not.

I checked last night. Both my wife and myself, who voted absentee are not listed as having voted in 2006. I ran the voter info for my Republican sister-in-law, who lives next door. She is recorded as having voted.

This morning, I talked to John Russell, whose congressional campaign I helped manage, and is currently challenging the results of the election. I ran his info through, and he didn't vote for himself either.

This state stinks to high heaven. I'll cross post to the Florida forum, where this will have a longer lifespan.

Here's the e-mail from the FDP. Oh, and by the way, we brought this up to Karen Thurman and several DEC chairs nearly 2 years ago. Have you ever talked to a wall? I guess they get it now.

The e- mail....


Dear Floridians,

Last week, Republican Governor Charlie Crist and Democratic U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler joined together to urge the Legislature to require all voting machines in Florida to have a paper trail by 2008.

This was a groundbreaking step, and we applaud the Governor and Congressman for working together across party lines to deal with this problem. But there are still some major problems to deal with from the last election.

In 2006, Florida voters were not guaranteed a paper trail, and we've already seen huge problems. Most notably in the Congressional District #13 election, 18,000 electronically-cast votes went missing in Sarasota County. Now, unfortunately, I have some new, disturbing information, and I need you to take action.

It has come to my attention that the office of the Secretary of State appears to have no record of the votes cast by almost half a million Floridians.

Yes, half a million. According to the Secretary of State's official statewide voter file, the votes of 494,928 Floridians have disappeared. Though these votes seem to have been counted in November, now they are gone.

The state doesn't even have a record of the vote cast by Governor Crist's own father. Is YOUR vote missing too?

Our dynamic online communications team has put together a website where you can enter your information to determine whether or not your vote is missing.

Please visit: www.fladems.com/missingvotes today. If your vote is missing, you need to know about it. The website will direct you on how you can help increase awareness about this problem.

While this new information is alarming, it's unfortunately not surprising for the many of us who lived through the 2000 election. I support the Crist-Wexler proposal, and I have hope that the Governor's newly appointed Secretary of State, Kurt Browning, will move quickly to implement the necessary changes. We're long over due for an election process in which we can all have faith.

Please forward this message to your friends and family in Florida so they can take action, too.

Thank you,

Congresswoman Karen Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party
www.fladems.com/missingvotes

[donheld]

1. Well they do have a lot of hurricanes, and now tornados

Maybe they all blew away. :evilgrin:

[eppur_se_muova]

9. OMG ... brings up a line from "Yes Prime Minister" ...

"Bad year for floods, was it?"
"Oh no, an excellent year! We lost all sorts of things!"
(as close as I recall)

[Le Taz Hot]

2. You guys need to call in

Jimmy Carter. There is not even an attempt to hide the corruption here. Honest to goddess, people, I'd be taking to the streets right about now.

[Bonobo]

3. Kicked and Recommended! A travesty!

Demand accountability!

This is a fucking travesty!

Somebody should hang for this bullshit.

[YDogg]

4. A family member requested an absentee ballot for '06, and never received it...

I suspect that because she is a Dem, the folks at the voter's office just decided to skip sending it.

[YDogg]

5. PS - This is in FL

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. I checked mine, my husband's and my sister's votes.

We're all accounted for. I'd be curious to see how this breaks down by county and voting system or method. We all voted in our precinct polling place on Diebold Opti-Scan on Election Day.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. "This state stinks to high heaven"

I think DUers have tuned me out because it's a song which has grown old. You are absolutely not going to get anywhere in this state until you shake the Florida Bar Association. They know all the dirty little secrets in this state, and they chuckle, yes, chuckle when they hear about the "silly little things" that go on at the local level. In Florida, a public official or Association board member can plead ignorance of the law as an Affirmative Defense. Though I will give allowances for someone who has been in the position for a year or so, it doesn't forgive A) the supervisor for not supervising or B) or someone who has held a position for more than two.

So, in Florida, you start with the Bar, and work your way into the Rotary Club and Chamber of Commerce. After you clean up those three, you might want to take on the real estate industry.

You fix all those things, and I bet public agencies will be free to assist the public.

[demnan]

8. K&R

Florida: the only state in the union to be double Bush-wacked (besides Texas).

[Coexist]

10. Mine is one gone missing - I checked.

:hi:

[Dr.Phool]

11. UPON FURTHER INVESTIGATION.......

From what it looks like right now, it seems that the Florida Democratic Party is using a flawed database. My associate called the Citrus County SOE and the Florida Division Of Elections about her son's missing ballot, and both confirm that he did vote in the election.

I have a doctors appointment at 2:00pm, then I'll swing by the Pasco SOE office and check some more.

My friend also called the FDP about the problems with their database, and got some bullshit story that it wasn't about challenging the election results, but trying to get a more compatible database for their software.

The FDP is showing what a bunch of incompetent fools they really are. Running around squawking like Chicken Little, when we have serious election problems that need to be addressed.

I'll have more when I return later.

[TexasLinda]

29. Are we talking apples and oranges here?

The database that shows you voted in a particular election is separate from the actual vote. I agree that you appear to have serious problems with your electronic voting machines and their lack of a paper trail, but it appears you also have a problem with your voter registration system. Your vote is secret, so there should be no way to tie a specific vote to a specific voter. When you show up at the polls (or vote absentee), the voter registration system is checked to verify you are registered and then the database is updated to indicate that you voted in a particular election. How you voted is not recorded in this database. Then you cast your vote on the electronic voting machine, where it may or may not actually be counted. Two separate things.

Edit: The number of people who voted, as indicated by the polling place sign-in sheet and eventually the master voter registration database, should equal the number of ballots cast.

[HuffleClaw]

12. how convenient

for them.

[donsu]

13. kick

nt

[LaPera]

14. And the Dem's around still believe there are no voting problems and

haven't even addressed the voting problems...they will ignore it, simply because they took back congress, they are ignoring the obvious.... and 2008 will be upon us and Rove will be there overseeing the elections...while the Dem's did NOTHING.

The republican stole seats all over this past Nov. elections...their loses could of been a lot worst...the Dem's would of been a lot stronger in congress if not for the electronic voting machines...and we are just beginning to hear about it widespread....The one thing the republicans want is make sure their is no new voting legislation going into 2008!

[lies and propaganda]

15. well, isnt that how Crist got elected?

but my, how impressive Wexler is.. love him!

[flyarm]

16. heyy dr phool..i just got email from another candidate in pinellas..who didn't

have her vote counted..for herself!!

B.V...if you know who that is..she also sent me a copy of the letter she sent to Karen Thurman...

and yes i know that wall you mentioned..i have been for 4 years here trying to get anyone with the dem party to listen..only i was treated with total distain...about the voting issues here..

but you and i have discussed that before..

i haven't checked my absentee ballot stuff yet..or my families..but i will tonight..

and since i was an elected delegate..i will be curious to see if my vote was counted!!

keep up the fight in your neck of the woods dear!!

fly

[oasis]

17. kick

[flyarm]

18. seems my vote didn't count either ..i just checked and got this..

We found a problem!
According to the Secretary of State, you did not vote in the 2006 election.

Your vote may be one of the hundreds of thousands of records missing from the Secretary of State's files. If you cast a vote in the 2006 general election - on election day, at an early vote location, or through the mail with an absentee ballot - and believe the Secretary of State's information is in error, please contact their office at [phone] or via email at [e-mail]. You can also check in with the Pinellas County Supervisor of Elections at 727-464-6108, or find out more at http://www.votepinellas.com/

Will you alert your friends and family and ask them to check their votes?



unless it is a data base problem..my vote did not count either..

i will have to go make another visit to deborah clark's office!!..

i wonder how smarmy i can be with her now.....she doesn't like me too much since i snuck into one of her press conferences and passed myself off as a reporter!!..and got one of her media books..and then embarrassed her with questions in front of all the running cameras............

let me know dr phool what you find out from the SOE..please........

fly

[GreenTea]

19. This kind of shit happened all over the country and it will continue

and nothing is being done about it - But the democrats won control of congress so there are no problems. Yippee, we don't have to worry about voter manipulation ever again, everything is fine! (Until the next election).

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4125

[butterfly77]

21. Just like all of the missing laptops ...

that have been gone missing in the past few years...

[LuckyLib]

20. Surprise, surprise! Their disappearance is in anticipation of an investigation of the whole rotten

state where elections are concerned. They can't have miscounted what can't be found!

[The Count]

22. Right there it's the kerry victory in the 2004 election

[Roland99]

23. K&R!!

[JackRiddler]

24. kick

!!!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. Mine is there. I'm a registered Dem in a Repub. area and voted in person.

I was always afraid that if I voted absentee - it wouldn't count.

[gordianot]

26. They disappeared into the Republican Triangle of election fraud.

It occurs every two years. Ohio and Florida are two hot spots, or whatever State has a Republican Secretary of State.

[flyarm]

27. well my husbands didn't count either..we both voted absentee

this is the message i just got as well for my husband...

We found a problem!
According to the Secretary of State, you did not vote in the 2006 election.

Your vote may be one of the hundreds of thousands of records missing from the Secretary of State's files. If you cast a vote in the 2006 general election - on election day, at an early vote location, or through the mail with an absentee ballot - and believe the Secretary of State's information is in error, please contact their office at [phone] or via email at [e-mail]. You can also check in with the Pinellas County Supervisor of Elections at 727-464-6108, or find out more at http://www.votepinellas.com/

Will you alert your friends and family and ask them to check their votes?

Spread the word

The Florida Democratic Party is always looking for volunteers and leaders in the community. Will you help us out by volunteering in precinct xxxx( i edited), your precinct?


NOW I WILL CHECK TO SEE IF MY CHILDS VOTE COUNTED!

FLY

WELL SEEMS MY CHILD'S VOTE DIDN'T COUNT EITHER!!

THIS IS THE MESSAGE I JUST GOT ON MY KID'S VOTE BY ABSENTEE,..

We found a problem!
According to the Secretary of State, you did not vote in the 2006 election.

Your vote may be one of the hundreds of thousands of records missing from the Secretary of State's files. If you cast a vote in the 2006 general election - on election day, at an early vote location, or through the mail with an absentee ballot - and believe the Secretary of State's information is in error, please contact their office at [phone] or via email at [e-mail]. You can also check in with the Pinellas County Supervisor of Elections at 727-464-6108, or find out more at http://www.votepinellas.com/

Will you alert your friends and family and ask them to check their votes?

Spread the word

The Florida Democratic Party is always looking for volunteers and leaders in the community. Will you help us out by volunteering in precinct XXXXX, your precinct?




UNLESS THIS IS A DATA BASE PROBLEM..I AM GOING TO RAISE HOLY HELL!!

FLY

[Miss Chybil]

28. Stunning. nt

[KaryninMiami]

30. My vote was registered but who can tell me if it was counted?

I pushed a button and it said I had voted. We have no idea of course, which candidates received my votes. The possibility that in 2008, we might actually have some level of confidence that our votes are being counted is beyond exciting. But, as it's currently illegal to count paper ballots in Florida (thanks to Jeb), we have a ways to go before we can have any assurances. But we can hope, right?

[Senator]

31. "...votes SEEM to have been counted" .... Oh, really?!?

What would (or even could) make them "seem" counted? Somebody's say so?

Did Charlie Crist's father reassure you about it while you were applauding his boy? Or did you buy into somebody else's sob story while they chuckled under their breath?

Someone needs to get into Congresswoman "I have hope" Thurman's face and demand that she DO SOMETHING.

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[KaryninMiami]

33. It said that my vote was registered but counted as I voted - that's another story.

Chances are if it did get registered then it was added to a count- in one direction or another and my guess is that as with previous elections here in Florida, it probably went for Crist. Many of us are still trying to figure out how he won, knowing full well that chances are they helped themselves to the votes they needed to put him over the top. Ms. Thurman, the FL DNC Chair is jumping on this bandwagon a bit too late- ok better late then never, but action is what is needed now.

And regarding having hope, until it becomes legal in Florida to count paper ballots manually and until the impeachment proceedings begin nationally, my hope is still waiting, (not so patiently I might add) to be set free.

[Senator]

35. It's Thurman that should be set free

Trouble is, with elections, late IS never. This "oh well, maybe the Repubs will be nice soon" attitude has got to be driven out.

Maybe Ole WhatsHisName, Clint Curtis, could move there and challenge her in the Dem primary?

This email alone could win it for him.

Edit: And how many of this 500K do you think were dumped from his race v. Feeney?

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[FreeStateDemocrat]

32. Time to pass more stringent laws to regulate and safeguard personal information.

Corporations and government agencies saying sorry and we won't do it again is not good enough. Large fines and a financial obligation to compensate anyone who suffers due to their negligence will make the handling of personal information a lot more secure. Now they put all the responsibity on the individual who becomes an even greater victims of other people's irresponisble behavior.

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. Not mine!

I entered my info, and it showed that I had voted by absentee ballot.