Anyone care to respond to this? Re: Illegal Alien status.

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First, is it original or is this one of the latest Right-wing astro-turfed letters? I changed all the personal information, just in case it was original; and secondly, how much of it is true? Try to be objective.

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Hi.

I just sent this letter off to our Senator. I hope you copy it and do the same. This is OUR country and we need to be able to enjoy it as much as illegal aliens....


Senator XXXXX
123 Robert Street
A City in the US, A State in the US

Dear Senator:

As a native Floridian and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stem from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate. If my understanding of this bill's provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year. Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her college applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son.

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have one college age child and one high school age child driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.

Your Loyal Constituent,

[Horse with no Name]

1. It's one of those chain letters that props up the myths that the "illegal aliens"

have it much better than Americans. Definitely RW propaganda.

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2. It may be propaganda, but there is a plea to send it to your Senator.

So, I would like to know how much of it is true.

[Horse with no Name]

8. None of it.

It just appeals to those who hate brown people.
The people that send this are the same people that think shooting liberals should be legalized as a sport.

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12. Do you know this for fact, or is this your gut opinion?

[EFerrari]

15. This letter is replete with misinformation and hatred.

How anyone could fail to see that is sort of alarming to me.

The aim of this letter is to stir up anti-immigrant sentiment. That is its only aim and as such, is an instrument of hatred.

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18. Oh, I see it.

But I want to go beyond truthyism. (Excuse the spelling, Colbert) If I argue against it, I want to know all the exact details. Not just have a gut instinct that it's wrong.

[Horse with no Name]

17. If I am not mistaken

It has been debunked here before.
Will look for link.

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19. Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Horse with no Name]

24. Not sure what you are looking for but

1. http://www.theterryandersonshow.com/MISC/InvaderApp061210.html
2. http://www.portcityunderground.com/pivot/entry.php?id=495
3. http://shurance.townhall.com/
4. http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=384
ad infinitum
and actually there is a rebuttal letter to this idiocy that really is quite amusing:

Dear Mr. Ruppert:

Actually your wishes may be obtained quite simply. It is easier to achieve the same results without all the problems and dangers that the II (Illegal Immigrants) go though.

If you do not want to pay taxes it is quite fine with us. The only thing you have to do is the same thing the II do; find somebody that is willing to pay for your taxes and the problem is solved. If you paid $20,000 in taxes per year, just find somebody willing to write you a check for $40,000 and you have obtained the same results. If the Illegals do it, then I am sure that you can.

Your daughter lives in the land of the free, and she is also free to renounce her American citizenship. Once she is no longer American she can try to get into the Law School that she can’t qualify for. We in this office fail to understand why she would want to study law if she will never be able to practice law in the US, but we get very strange requests all day.

The issue of the tuition is beyond the scope and jurisdiction of this office. Please take it up with your State. If your daughter lives in the state and consumes articles and services that pay State Sales Tax in that state, probably she will have the right to resident education charges like all residents, legal or not according to Federal Law.

If your sole purpose is to go to an Emergency Room for last resort medical help, you do not have to go through all the treble, just go the ER and get the service you require. Actually, some of the ER rooms are so much better than our regular medical institutions because the good citizens of many of our communities have not allowed them to become part of the enormous racket that has taken over our hospitals. You will be surprised to be charged $.25 cents for a Tylenol instead of $34 dollars that any hospital charges you.

Upon egression from the hospital you will be asked to pay a fair amount for the services that you received. We recommend that you pay them like most II do, the fact that is a reasonable amount does not mean there is any reduction in the quality of the service. Regarding your insurance please be advised that the deductible you pay is in 99% of the cases the reasonable cost of the service you received and the total amount the hospital will get from the insurance. The other 90% is just a scare tactic to make sure you do not stop paying for your insurance. We know that you could get a heart attack buy just looking at the cost of the treatment. But rest assured that your deductible covers the real cost and then some.

We know that the Medical Industry in the US has more to do with the Cosa Nostra than humanism, but if it was not for them we politicians would had to rely on your campaign contributions for our retirement and , Mr. Ruppert, you really stink in that department.

Regarding your driving without a license, again, you do not have to go through all the trouble. Just return it to the State of Iowa. If you get caught and sent to the slammer with a bunch of II, please do not call us for we will no longer consider you a real human being. You can choose not to buy insurance for your car, again, remember that this is the land of the free. If you hurt somebody and do not have insurance, we will take all the property you have until you compensate the other party. If you have nothing, it is ok, they have nothing. So give up your house, your family, your friends, your life as you know it, the II do the same.

When your retirement time comes. Please do not call this office. Your money will be used to pay those American Citizens that decided to remain American. But do not despair; there will be millions of other Illegal Immigrants that will be in the poor hose like you. And since misery loves company, they will love you.

By the way, we wish you a good harvest!

http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/forum/post.asp?method=TopicQuote&TOPIC_ID=9752&FORUM_ID=10

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28. Thanks for the good points.

I may reword it a bit, because this is, afterall, a good friend.

[Xipe Totec]

25. Apply some common sense

Federal income taxes and social security are withheld from your paycheck by your employer. The money goes straight from employer to the feds. If you earn minimum wage or less, you theoretically should pay no taxes. However, since the taxes are automatically collected, you have to file an income tax return in order to get your money back. If you are an illegal alien working with false documents, the last thing you want to do is bring attention to yourself by filing an income tax return. So the feds get to keep your money because you failed to file an income tax return.

Filing a return and paying no taxes are two very different things, which this kind of hate e-mail deliberately tries to confuse in order to create anger an resentment toward illegal immigrants.

[MH1]

3. I would ask the person who sent it to you, to give you the Senate bill number,

the link to the bill on Thomas (or other government site), and highlight the portions that stipulate what the letter claims.

I bet they can't. Even if there is some truth in those claims - and frankly, I don't know whether there is or not, but they shouldn't be passing this along unless THEY know.

jmho, fwiw.

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13. I will not confront this person.

They're as close to a right-wing "friend" as I've got. I knew her before the bad time, before Bush alienated all of us.

[DrunkenMaster]

4. those illegal immigrants get all the breaks!

I wish my family of 6 could live in a one bedroom apartment while I pick vegetables for 14 hrs a day for a dollar an hour! Those lucky, lucky folks! They get all the perks!

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14. But it's all about the taxes and health care.

If someone is going to argue on behalf of the illegal aliens, they need to show the extreme contrasts. For example, why aren't we sending our own chainletters which show how much small businesses along the Florida coast get federal assistance each time we rebuild the coastline?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. one of my RW boss's favorite talking points...

"That do-nothing Kulongoski wants to give illegals drivers licenses!"

I'm thinking - Good. I want every driver out on the road to have a license, and be in the system. otherwise they will drive anyway.

I've been lazy about looking this up, but as I am tired of hearing it, I guess I should. :blush:

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16. Most states are opposed to a national mandated driver's license.

It's a state's rights issue.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

27. actually, I found this

:evilgrin:

OR 2007 session...

HB 2270: Requires drivers to prove legal U.S. status to get a drivers license. Conforms state law to the federal Real ID Act. (At the request of Gov. Ted Kulongoski for the Department of Transportation)

http://politicsupdates.blogs.oregonlive.com/default.asp?item=430881


Next time that crap falls out of his mouth, I will be able to stomp it post-haste. :)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

6. Send him this:

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

And say, "If you really think your situation wil improve by doing this -- go for it!"

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20. Nice.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

7. Patently false on so many levels

More importantly, people who entered illegally do not have a way of becoming 'legal' or getting a green card because the 'amnesty' provisions are no longer valid. There was something way back in 2001 or 2002 (don't remember which) that allowed people who had been illegally in the U.S. for a certain period of time (evidenced by paid utility bills and other dated documents) to apply for adjustment of status (if married or closely related to a U.S. citizen relative) or have an employer file a labor certification on their behalf. If they didn't meet either criteria, there was nothing to be done.

If they chose the adjustment option, they would have had to pay a $1,000 penalty, on top of all other fees. However, this is no longer an option, no matter how long someone has been in the U.S. illegally or out of status (that is, when a visa has expired and is no longer valid).

This sounds like one of the countless RW diatribes people like to spam us with...

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21. Good info.

[flordehinojos]

9. my only response to that letter is this,

The, Epilogue, to Michael Dorris' book Morning Girl I hope the moderators will allow it.



“E P I L O G U E



October 11, 1492



I, in order that they would be friendly to us—because

I recognized that they were people who would be better

freed and converted to our Holy Faith

by love than by force—to some of them I gave red caps,

and glass beads which they put on their chests, and

many other things of small value, in which they took

so much pleasure and becamse so much our friends that

it was a marvel. Later they came swimming to the

ships’ launches where we were and brought us parrots

and cotton threads in balls and javelins and many other

things, and they traded them to us for other things

which we gave them, such as small glass beads and

bells. In sum, they took everything and gave of what

they had very willingly. But it seemed to me that they

were a people very poor in everything. All of them go

around as naked as their mothers bore them; and the

women also, although I did not see more than one quite

young girl. And all those that I saw were young people,

for none did I see of more than thirty years of age.

They are very well formed, with handsome bodies and

good faces ... They do not carry arms nor are they

acquainted with them, because I showed them swords

and they took them by the edge and through ignorance

cut themselves ... They should be good and intel-

ligent servants, for I see that they say very quickly

everything that is said to the; and I believe that they

would become Christians very easily, for it seems to

me that they have no religion. Our Lord pleasing, at

the time of my departure I will take six of them from

here to Your Highnesses in order that they may learn

to speak.



--Christopher Columbus ˝





Michael ‘Dorris

1945-1997

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22. groan.

sad.

[Rosemary2205]

10. I've read it before, it's a chain.

another one of those "clever" FWD FWD FWDS........... though it sounds like your little freep had the good manners to strip off all the FWDS and send it like an original at least.

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23. It's beginning to look that way.

[jobycom]

11. Damn. I wish to hell he'd get his wish, then.

Let him become an illegal alien, and, if the bill exists and becomes law, live as an illegal alien for five years, unable to be employed, possibly deported, separated from family and friends, making below minimum wage when he can find work. If, after five years he has survived, not been deported, and made enough money to even owe income tax, and can scrape up the $2000 to become a citizen, let him apply.

You have to take a test on America to become a US citizen. Maybe studying for that test would educate BrainDeath here on the nation he was lucky enough to have been born into. He clearly knows nothing about it now.

[Cerridwen]

26. Looks like astroturf...I found an article while googling

the article was as worldnut so I won't provide link here. In the article the email was from a MD "excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service" (the part in quotes is what I googled if you want to go read for yourself).

The astroturf appears to be talking about 245(i) which I found discussed at FindArticles this link and the text of 245 at at thomas.gov

As usual, the information is cherry picked and distorted before it was then regurgitated onto your screen.

From the FindArticle link:

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At the signing ceremony for the Border Security law, Bush said, "The bill didn't have everything I wanted. I wanted a temporary extension of 245(i) in the bill, which basically allowed certain immigrants sponsored by their families or employers to become legal residents without having to leave the country so that families can stay together. I thought that made sense. It's not a part of the bill. I intend to work with Congress to see if we can't get that done here pretty quick."

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The 245(i) amnesty, which has already, been extended twice, allows certain illegal immigrants to remain in this country while they apply for legal residency as long as they have a family member or employer willing to sponsor them and pay a $1,000 fine. They must have been present in the United States since December 2000. The White House estimates that 200,000 aliens could be eligible, most of them from Mexico.

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At a May 9 press conference, Daschle said he believed that most of the illegal aliens who would benefit from the bill already have children who are American citizens. "In my view, it ensures we send as clear a message as possible-Democrats support family reunification," he said. (emphasis added)

It appears to be an extension of time of a piece of legislation already in place. shrub supports it which might give your rw friend a bit of indigestion.

As to the emergency room as primary care provider, how does he feel about the 40 million uninsured U.S. citizens who may resort to the same use of an emergency room as compared to the 12-14 million 'illegal' immigrants who may? Perhaps he'd care to give up his insurance policy and become one of the 40 million? Hey, 10 grand is 10 grand, right? And just think of the great service he'll receive in the already overcrowded ERs around the U.S.

I'd also like him to address the issue of U.S. citizens who drive w/o insurance or license. Some because they can't afford it, some because they've had one or the other suspended for various offenses. Why does he presume it's only 'illegal' immigrants who don't carry insurance or drive w/o a license?

And finally, when he's finally granted his retroactive 'illegal' status, perhaps he'd like to join the families in Haskell or Taylor Texas?

In October 2001, the Ibrahim family, Palestinians seeking asylum from life under Israeli occupation, entered the U.S. legally. The family's requests for asylum, in which members described repeated beatings at the hands of Israeli officials and health complications from gas attacks in occupied territories, were denied. According to their lawyer, John Wheat Gibson, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents invaded the family's house after midnight on the night of Nov. 3, 2006, and arrested everyone inside. The entire family remains imprisoned today.

Salaheddin Ibrahim is currently separated from his family in a prison in Haskell, Texas. Hanan, his pregnant wife, shares a cell at the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas, with her 5-year-old daughter, while her 7- and 12-year-old daughters are together in a separate cell. Her 15-year-old son is alone in another. The Ibrahims' 3-year-old daughter, who was born since their arrival in the U.S. and is therefore an American citizen, is living with Salaheddin's brother, Ahmad Ibrahim, in the Dallas area.

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(emphasis added though some in original)

Just think of all the money he could save during a few years in prison with his family. Wow, and his daughter might get 4 whole hours a day of education.

Probably a lost cause, but I felt like chiming in.

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29. Excellent work!

Thank you all!