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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 06:55 PM
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A Tribute to Anna Nicole Smith. No Seriously! Some things you may not know:
Edited on Thu Feb-08-07 07:23 PM by HamdenRice
Anna Nicole Smith (aka Vicki Lynn Hogan aka Vicki Lynn Marshall) was often portrayed in the media as a gold digger and a buffoon. In particular, her probate lawsuit to gain a share of the estate of her late husband, J. Howard Marshall, was portrayed as an attempt by an undeserving, "white trash" stripper to get unearned riches. Certainly in her later years it was obvious that she had some sort of substance abuse problem and seemed to exhibit her bizarre behavior for gain in a grotesque form of self-exploitation.

But the story of Anna Nicole, and especially her relationship with Howard Marshall and her pursuit of his estate, was much more complicated than the media portrayed it. In fact, in light of the Supreme Court's decision in her case, Anna was a woman who was ravaged by a legal system that was blatantly classist and sexist. Fortunately, the opinion in her bankruptcy court proceeding -- the one that seemed to award her hundreds of millions of dollars -- explains her story and is well worth the read, because it sets the record straight about her. Here are a few things that you may not know.

When Anna met the elderly Howard, he seemed to be on death's doorstep. The love of his life had died just two months earlier (more on this in a bit) and some people close to him felt that the elderly billionaire had given up on life. In fact, his driver brought him to the topless club where Anna worked in a desperate attempt to cheer the old man up.

Howard was smitten with Ann and his relationship with her seemed to give him a new lease on life.

You might think that this was the case of a stripper shamelessly manipulating an old man who was naive to the charms of an exotic dancer. Nothing could be further from the truth. Howard had had a prior twenty year long relationship with a stripper named Jewel DiAnne "Lady" Walker, while he was married to Bettye Bohannon Marshall. Both Lady Walker and Bettye died within a relatively short time of each other, but Howard lamented to friends that the death of Lady Walker was the saddest day of his life. It was Lady Walker who had died just two months before Howard met Anna. I guess we can just conclude that Howard Marshall had a sexual preference for exotic dancers. Howard would live several years and arguably his love for Anna contributed to his new desire to live.

You might also think that Anna, upon finding this doddering old man infatuated with her and determined to marry her, decided to do so in order to become wealthy through no effort of her own. In fact, Anna refused to marry Howard until she had made it on her own. She pulled herself up out of the stripper business, first by becoming a Playboy model and finally by becoming the world famous, world wide model for Guess Jeans. Only after she had become successful in her own right did she agree to marry Howard.

At Howard's death, Anna brought suit in Texas for a share of Howard's estate as his surviving spouse and on the basis of certain oral promises that Howard had made to provide her with certain large sums of money as gifts and support. It certainly raised eyebrows when this widow claimed that her deceased husband had made oral promises of money transfers that he mysteriously did not carry out. What the public did not learn, however, was that Howard was an anti-tax fanatic. When he was involved with Lady Walker, he had made substantial gifts to her, and the IRS had discovered these gifts and imposed very substantial estate and gift taxes on those transfers. An enraged Howard had vowed to somehow transfer money to Anna without paying these gift taxes. Part of that strategy was being married to her and part was delaying making other gifts until he figured out a proper tax strategy.

Moreover, Howard's son Pierce initiated a ruthless strategy of preventing Howard from making these transfers. According to the California bankruptcy court, Pierce engaged in forgery, destruction of documents and other sanctionable actions in order to prevent Howard from transferring his wealth to Anna. Anna, who was barely literate and numerate, was up against a battery of ruthless lawyers hired by Pierce not just to protect his interests but to engage in a criminal conspiracy.

Finally, you might also be surprised if reminded that Texas is a community property state, in which Anna was entitled to half of all income and property that Howard accumulated during the marriage. While the year or so marriage might not seem like a long time to us, a year's interest and dividends on a fortune of over a billion dollars meant that Anna was entitled to many millions of dollars as a matter of course. Her treatment by the Texas probate court was inexplicably, savagely classist and sexist, essentially allowing Pierce to deny her the rights of a surviving spouse.

Anna got her revenge (temporarily) in a California bankruptcy court, which, you may be aware, awarded her hundreds of millions of dollars. What you might not know is that Anna did not really go after her deceased husband's estate; she was protecting herself from a predatory and vengeful Pierce. Pierce wanting not just to beat her in court but crush her, sued her for libel, winning a judgment against her that she obviously could not pay. In her counterclaim she argued that Pierce "tortiously interfered with her inheritance," an actionable claim. The bankruptcy court issued a remarkable opinion agreeing that Pierce's actions were deplorable and quite likely criminal. Its opinion also gave her several hundred million dollars in damages representing the money she should have inherited.

It then did something that was supposed to help her, but that was her undoing. The court said that the damages were payable out of her ongoing Texas probate proceedings if she won there, or if she didn't, out of Pierce's inheritance of his father's estate. The California court was saying, "you win either way," which made Anna's lawyers quite lax about the Texas proceeding. Although somewhat obscure, it seems that Anna lost the Texas proceeding simply because her side stopped filing papers because they had a guaranteed win in California.

Then the California case was overturned -- first reduced by the district court, then overturned and vacated by the circuit court, on one of the most obscure doctrines in federal jurisdiction. Her Texas case was lost and her California bankruptcy guarantee rug had been pulled out from under her and she was once again penniless. That kind of roller coaster ride could make lots of people turn to drugs and alcohol. Eventually, however, the US Supreme Court agreed unanimously that the circuit court was wrong, but it was in the intervening years that Anna became the spectacle we knew from the Anna Nicole show.

It's difficult for DUers to have sympathy for someone who was, even momentarily, likely to inherit tens of millions of dollars of someone else's money. But DUers also tend to take the sides of people who are oppressed by greedy, powerful, rich and ruthless people.

Anna Nicole Smith was a barely literate, barely numerate woman from a poor background who was opposed by one of the richest men in the country, carrying out a legally brutal, ruthless and corrupt campaign, and she was subjected to ridicule and vituperation because of her class background. Her story was distorted and she was caricatured by what we have all come to recognize is a lazy, lying, brain dead mainstream corporate media -- in this case, with the glee of upper classes looking down on a working class woman thrown into circumstances she could barely understand.

I for one am sad to see her gone. I wish she had completed her makeover and had recovered from her addictions or mental problems. I am sure that the death of her son was a nearly insurmountable tragedy for a mentally fragile person.

I would have liked to have seen Anna eventually win her court case. Because the best and hardest way to hurt greedy, rich criminals is to take their money.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 06:57 PM
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1. Thank you. nt
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:11 PM
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144. Yes thank you. She made that old man happy and regardless of
whatever, that was a good thing.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 06:59 PM
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2. But, dude. You are distracting us from
"REAL NEWS"!!!! And, if you do that, you will be a GD pariah.


Thanks for posting that. I wasn't a big fan, but I'm also not a grave dancer, either.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:35 PM
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61. Anna's case was real news ... that's why I posted it
The Supreme Court took it for a reason -- it was important. She had one of the most complicated probate cases in recent history, and there were lots of strange class and gender undertones.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:00 PM
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3. So she..
titulated the old guy to his heavenly delight...The girl had the goods and knew how to use them to her advantage...RIP Anna Nicole...it was fun!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:01 PM
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4. Thank you for posting this.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:02 PM
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5. May God Rest Her Soul And God Bless Her Friends And Family During This Tragedy. n/t
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:06 PM
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12. And most especially her beautiful baby daughter.
My own niece, who is four, lost her mom when she was 1 1/2 years old. She constantly asked, when she was old enough "where was Mommy?" because all the other kids had one.

I hope she can RIP and I hope someone decent cares for that baby.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:48 PM
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33. I'm so sorry for your niece
It is a sad and lonely world for little girls without their mothers. I know. I was one. And it never really goes away - the pain of being different and alone without that special mommy love. My heart just aches for Anna's little baby as well it does for your niece.

I'm glad she has you to help love her. She'll need all the extra love and care she can get - and then some. Let's hope someone good and sensitive plays a role in raising Anna's baby. It's going to be very hard on her - especially with the publicity that will surely follow all her life.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:54 PM
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83. I'm really sorry you had to grow up without a mom dancingAlone
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:10 AM
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98. Thank you, Maraya1969
That was very nice of you. I appreciate it.:hug:
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:22 AM
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100. My heart aches also...my mother grew up without her mother and
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 01:23 AM by live love laugh
has never gotten over it.

I was shocked to hear Anna Nicole died today moreso than I have been when I've heard about other celebrities' deaths. Just this morning I heard Rosie O'Donnell on The View laughing about Anna Nicole's drugged state and I have laughed at her as well. But then, when it leads to this tragic end, it drives home the point that people like her are not to be laughed at, they need help and their lives are at stake. Very very sad. May she rest in peace.
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FredMertz Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:57 AM
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119. Sorry
about your Mom. It's hard to grow up without a mother, or even a father for that matter. But Welcome To DU!!!
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:43 AM
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128. Thank you. Welcome back!
:hi:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:02 PM
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6. Reference the DU threads, my first thought was, "Who is Anna Nicole Smith?"
Reading a couple of those threads refreshed my memory somewhat. You are correct. Inheritance litigation is brutal and savage sometimes.

I have no opinion on Ms. Smith, except to say I'm very sorry about her son's passing, which is something very few people can "get over," and I'm especially sorry that she passed on before she could enjoy life with her new child.

The only positive thing, I suppose, is that in her 39 years, she apparently lived life to the fullest, much more than many people who live to be 90.

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:03 PM
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7. Thank you, and I agree with your last line n/t
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:05 PM
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41. Last line ...
Yeah that's important to keep in mind when dealing with people like not just Pierce Marshall, but Dick Cheney.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:03 PM
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8. Thanks very much for posting this
That's why the mean folks don't have a leg to stand on
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:04 PM
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9. I was under the impression that there is no gift tax between spouses.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:07 PM
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14. That correct, and it's somewhat of a mystery
But the California bankruptcy court said that the reason Howard delayed was that he was doing tax planning for the transfer to Anna. But it was at that point that Pierce practically kidnapped him and transferred Howard's assets to himself Pierce.

Howard planned to give Anna a trust, and the tax planning probably had to do with tax issues raised by the remainders of the trust -- ie the people who would get the money at Anna's death.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:04 PM
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10. People accused Anna Nicole Smith
of being white trash in the proceedings about the inheritance.
I tend to think of the oil rich as white trash.
I was rooting for her to win in court.
It is sad that she has died so young.
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ohioINC Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:16 PM
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18. Immortalized
Sadly she has secured her place among America's tragic celebrity deaths.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:02 PM
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39. "Common folk are only a breath,
great men an illusion.
Placed in the scales, they rise;
they weigh less than a breath."

Psalm 61(62)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:37 PM
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67. Nice.
:thumbsup:

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:52 PM
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149. In the end the $ means nothing and the love means everything
since God IS Love. Even an atheist is a hypocrite if they don't believe in the power of Love.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:05 PM
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11. People say she was crazy ..
I think she was crazy like a fox. I do think that there was a real love between her and J. Howard. I a lot of what we saw on her show was an act. When I saw here in person, she had this sparkle in her eyes and heavy or thin .... she was stunning!

I'll miss you Anna! LA Gay Pride won't be the same without you.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:07 PM
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15. She was gorgeous. That is for sure.
God bless that little baby.
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:44 PM
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132. Despite all of her foibles(and who among us are free from them)
she was an incredible beauty and apparently had many friends and supporters (along with a lot of smarmy hangers-on). Let's us not pile on - she had an incredible life.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:19 PM
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20. I agree --
Crazy like a fox!

RIP, Anna --- I will miss you.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:06 PM
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13. Thank you for taking the time to research this and write it up.
I hate to see anyone dehumanized.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:10 PM
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16. Nice post. Thanks. nt
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:14 PM
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17. Another Sad Ending In The Media Fishbowl
May Anna Nicole now find some peace. The "shock" of her death as portrayed by the corporate media is deplorable. Here was a person made into a tragic figure whose personal screw ups only fueled a strange personality cult about her. She was portrayed as gold-digger and bufooon...which became her claim to fame and one she could never escape. She appeared so fragile and her "fame" came from those who exploited her and the media's fascination with the debris it left behind. She also always appeared tormented...always on the edge of a breakdown...and the media couldn't wait for it to happen. Now they have the ultimate breakdown and the feeding frenzy has begun...crocodile tears from the very people who profited from her problems.

One can be wealth and poor. All the money in the world doesn't make one a full person...it can't buy the special bonds one had with one's child. The most insecure and eccentric people I know have the most money...always afraid people are trying to take it from them or trying to use it to "earn" respect.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:24 AM
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90. She was a goldfish in a bowl full of sharks.
I don't really care about her one way or another. She was famous for being famous, period. She wasn't even as close as a Marilyn Monroe, who showed a bit of humanity and pathos, and who (perhaps unwisely) pursued fame actively. She entered and left the spotlight and left nothing behind, except some trouble for those people who have to suddenly replace all those Trimspa ads.

My only question is, how actively did she pursue this media attention? Did she hate it? Did she flaunt it? Because, as anyone even remotely attached to fame can tell you, the media will eat you alive. It sure did her. If she wanted it, she was seeking the grave long before it came calling her.

I'm predicting that her death will be ruled an "accidental overdose," or as we in the real world would call it, suicide by drug abuse. Just watch.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:19 PM
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19. I am happy to see that someone researched this situation...
I have no opinion either way in how ANS went through life...but I do not dance on the graves of those who have gone on before me.

FWIW, I can't see why her life would/could affect me, except that she had seen no small amount of tragedy in her brief life. I am saddened by the loss, not because of who she was necessarily, but for what she could have been if, as you say, she had gotten her life together. She seemed to have been on that road...sad, so very sad, that she didn't have the time to complete the journey.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:32 PM
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80. Because ANS' probate issues do echo for anyone dealing with
complex inheritances... Even "little people" like me and my family. We're in the middle of the disposition of the family farm trust, which had to be re-worked after my great-grandfather's death. However, because of the ANS Supreme Court decision, we have some issues that have to be changed and it does make a difference. (Especially in keeping greedy cousins' hands off the business we built without their input, assistance or funds.)

And we're only talking a few thousand acres of organic farm-land in central Indiana and a couple of old houses. The estate isn't worth anything approaching what the Marshall estate was. But the decision holds for us, too.

She took a lot of hard knocks on the chin from a lot of greedy, bourgeois idiots only a generation or two from working themselves out of grinding poverty. I hope she died peacefully and without fear or pain, and I hope her daughter has a sensitive, loving home where she will be protected from more greedy bourgeois idiots who want to use her for their own aggrandizement.
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peacefreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:20 PM
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21. Thank you.
Anna Nicole was flawed & flamboyant. But I never doubted for a moment she loved her son & her daughter. I also think she used the media & they used her. We don't know the "truth" of her life. We only know what we saw in the media. Keep a small corner of your hearts for that little baby. I hope she finds safety & love with some family who care about HER, not a pay check she could bring in. RIP, Anna. You deserve a break at last.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:21 PM
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22. Thanks for posting this...
...kicked and recommended. :hi:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:28 PM
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23. Thank you for writing this
I always pulled for Anna, I so wanted her to get the last laugh on all of those who treated her so badly....Now I fear for how they will torment Anna's daughter.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:34 PM
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27. We're about to see "Bambi versus Godzilla"
Edited on Thu Feb-08-07 07:35 PM by HamdenRice
Anna's infant daughter will press forward on behalf of Anna's estate while Pierce's estate and his ruthless pack of lawyers will press forward his case.

Hopefully the the personal emnity deceased, the two sides will settle for the good of the baby girl.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:34 PM
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47. Well, that's what worries me about Anna's daughter
If there is anyone in Anna's life who truly cares and loves Anna I suspect that none of them are in any position to have any say in any of the leagal manners, not just the estate but custody of the child as well. I believe that Pierce will not stop out of any sense of compassion, but we'll see.

Here's to rooting for the underdog :toast:

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:38 PM
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49. fyi
Edited on Thu Feb-08-07 08:38 PM by HamdenRice
Pierce is dead -- he died last year. I'm not sure whether he has a spouse or kids to make decisions about his estate.

Pierce's brother, Howard Jr., sided with Anna.

There was personal animosity between Anna and Pierce, and with both of them dead, perhaps some of that animosity goes away and perhaps surviving family members will moderate the behavior of the Pierce legal team.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:30 PM
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24. Thank you for bringing up these points
I always hoped she would win her battles.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:32 PM
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25. Given the state of our culture,
it's a curse for a woman to be born with a beautiful face and a shapely body.

RIP Anna. And I pray her daughter finds kind guardians who encourage her to care for her mind, heart and soul....and not just her body.

Patriarchy truly is cruel.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:32 PM
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26. I remember a while ago
Right after her case was taken up by the Supreme Court, the court decision in California. It was very interesting and explained a lot on why the Supreme Court would take her case. I think Anna deserved to win her case and I hope that the estate continues to fight it on.

My condolences to the Smith family.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:34 PM
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28. Thank you. She doesn't deserve the disgusting scorn found elsewhere.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:37 PM
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29. I read some time ago that Pierce was chastised by the courts...
for his underhanded dealings in regards to Anna. He was going too far in his attempts to make sure Anna had nothing. Someone told me once that they heard Pierce didn't want her to have one cent of that estate no matter what.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:42 PM
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He went really far
It's pretty obvious that he forged his father's name in order to transfer his father's assets to himself. He engaged in a full fledged criminal conspiracy.

The California bankruptcy court specifically said it was awarding Anna $400 million as damages for his fraudulent conduct.
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ocean girl Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:07 PM
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42. Thank you so much for your beautiful post
I always rooted for ANS and watched her reality show with sadness for what she was going through - which appeared to be a pretty serious drug addiction (it takes one to know one.

My condolences to her worldwide family.

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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:46 AM
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96. I wish someone in her life had interceeded and helped her seek out the rehab she needed.
I always thought she was neat/spunky and of course beautiful. I realize that each time she was on a TV clip....with her ever changing 'looks'....she made me smile...so beautiful, and doing her own thing....a free spirit. I admired her pluck...was sad over her personal struggles. I wished whe'd had time and space for some peace in her life. R.I.P Anna Nicole and Danny. The next years are going to be awful---watching people struggling to control custody of her daughter and monies. I hope that lawyer of hers had an iron-clad will in place....and that she'd ensured Danny-Lynn's future would be taken care of.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:40 PM
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131. This generation's Marilyn Monroe
that's what I kept getting between news of her "collapse" yesterday and news of her death, while all those video clips of her were running.

She really was absolutely gorgeous, every bit as beautiful as MM. People have also mentioned that she was quite bright -- "dumb likea fox" -- (tho Hamden calls her illiterate (??) -- one can still be very smart even if illiterate).

I like your profile of her as a free spirit with pluck. It was a terribly tragic life, and ended too soon. But I hate to see people dump on her.


Thanks too to you, Hamden, for the great information. Fascinating! :hi:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:42 PM
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30. dupe nt
Edited on Thu Feb-08-07 07:42 PM by HamdenRice
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:42 PM
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31. Regardless of her agenda she had a rough path to tow.
May she be at peace now.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:47 PM
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32. Thank you. nt
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:51 PM
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34. wow
thanks for this. I felt compassion for her and rooted for her victory but I didn't know a small fraction of what you posted here. She was tragic indeed. What a moving tribute! :cry:
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:52 PM
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35. Thanks! Rest in peace, Anna Nicole, rest in peace! n/t
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:52 PM
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36. Thanks! Rest in peace, Anna Nicole, rest in peace! n/t
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 07:52 PM
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37. I always liked her and thought she was funny. She seemed like a kind person. nt
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:01 PM
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38. Riveting background of Anna, I didn't know she was barely literate.
That's just sad. I just hope there were some redeeming people in her life that really had her best interest in mind.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:03 PM
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40. The bankruptcy court noted ...
that she could not understand how to write big numbers (like 4,500). I think the saddest part of her life is that there weren't many people around her who actually cared for her -- except for her children and the old billionaire.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:07 PM
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43. Exactly, on her show I couldn't watch because of the people that
exploited her and laughed at her. I'm not even sure Howard Stern Jr. really cared for her, I hope so, but he just doesn't strike me as the honorable type. Thanks for sharing this, I'll still sing "anna anna anna anna nicole," bye anna.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:13 PM
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45. You know, it's because of that show that I am extremely suspicious of Stern.
I always had the hair-standing-up-on-the-back-of-my-neck feeling that he was more than happy to keep her drugged up (as she so obviously was on the show) so that he could have her all to himself. I think he's obsessed with her in a most unhealthy way, and probably ended up controlling her by whatever means he could.

And you will NEVER be able to convince me that he really loved her because he stood by and let people exploit her and ridicule her on that show. That's fucked up.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:16 PM
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46. Only after I saw her show did I understand ...
that she used to say with a straight face that she and Howard loved each other. Because she really hadn't been loved, but rather exploited by most people around her. It was obvious from the show.

Howard Marshall obviously was crazy about her, and for the first time in her life, she was not desperately scraping by for money. And for her, he was probably one of the only people in her entire life who loved her unconditionally.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:37 PM
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48. She had also mentioned how he loved and cared for her and her son.
I think that was a factor in her feelings for him.

Such a nice tribute, thanks HR. :hi:
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:11 PM
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44. Thank you for sharing this.
RIP Anna Nicole Smith
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:49 PM
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50. Texas is a community property state, you are right.
She got a raw deal in the probate court.

The legitimate son, Howard Jr. sided with ANS, and the illegitimate son by the previous stripper, Lady Walker, opposed her. You would think that both being Marshall's son by a stripper, he might have some sympathy for her, but he didn't.

However, the story of her on the stand in the Houston probate court, telling opposing counsel during cross examination, "Fuck you, Rusty!" was legendary.

Gave Rusty Hardin a new greeting amongst the Houston legal community, as a joke.

I admire the fact that she was a high school drop out and got the hell out of Mexia, with the only assets she had: her looks. I saw her once at the courthouse in Houston and she was HUGE. Must have been six feet tall.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:52 PM
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51. ROFL!!
"Fuck you, Rusty!" in open court was truly classic.

BTW, Pierce was not the son of Lady Walker. Howard did not have children with Lady Walker; the two had been together about 20 years, and Pierce was in his sixties.

Pierce and Howard Jr. were brothers, but there was some falling out over business, and J. Howard cut Howard Jr out of the will.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:18 AM
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115. "Almost 6' tall" isn't that huge, even for a woman
Just sayin'

/5'11"
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:59 AM
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125. For Women Somewhat
5'11" is somewhat tall for a women, but it is not that big of a deal. When women are taller than six feet then they are considered tall. The average height for women is 5'4". I think that should be raised in that there are many women who are over 5'4" and there are many women who are around 5'11".
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:48 PM
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135. Five foot one, checking in!!
:hi:

One of my best friends is five foot ten. I have to crane my neck to look up at her.

I love having her around. I can mouth off to people then jump behind her and say "my friend will kick your ass!"

:hide:

Just kidding!
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 03:50 PM
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151. I used to be very handy for obtaining beers at fraternity parties
My two friends, who were 5' even, always sent me for beers. I could plow through the crowd AND reach right over all the 5'1" girls!!!!
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:03 PM
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52. Thanks for the information. After Marshall's death, a tabloid
reported stories of her cruel treatment of the old man based on the reports of Mr. Marshall's caretakers. I wonder now whether the caretakers and/or the tabloid weren't on the son's bankroll. Anyway, good to hear another side to the story.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:15 AM
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88. I know, a while ago, video surfaced of her driving him around the
property on a lawn tractor; both of them with big smiles on their faces.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:05 PM
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53. absolute waste of carbon....
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:05 PM
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74. Speaking of yourself? n/t
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:38 AM
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127. No, he was speaking of Nicole
Why attack someone who has a different opinion?

Dapper

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:39 PM
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147. Why attack someone who can't fight back?
Like a dead person?

That's the ultimate coward/bully (cowards and bullies are inevitably the same people) act.








Also, of course, coming on to a thread that is concerned with laying out some of the good news about this young woman and saying crap like that is not only in poor taste but is a deliberate slap in the face to all who've posted here. It's antisocial to an extreme. It's boorish. Indeed, it suggests that the poster of such comments is a total waste of carbon.
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 07:06 PM
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152. I only feel sorry for Dannielynn eom
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 07:17 PM
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153. Attack? I was merely offering an opinion of my own. n/t
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 07:21 PM by HeeBGBz
Edited because I thought I got lost.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:12 PM
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54. I'd like to know more about "one of the most obscure doctrines in federal jurisdiction"
Edited on Thu Feb-08-07 09:12 PM by Canuckistanian
What is it? How was it used? Which Republican used it?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:33 PM
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60. It is called the "probate exception" to federal jurisdiction
Anna was in bankruptcy in California, so the bankruptcy court, a federal court, had jurisdiction over her case. One job of the bankruptcy court is to figure out what the are the assets of the "debtor" (Anna).

Meanwhile, probate is purely a state court matter, and Texas had jurisdiction over the probate proceeding.

The "probate exception" doctrine prevents federal courts from hearing probate cases, but it is a vague, judicially created law (ie not a congressional statute), and courts don't have a clear idea of its breadth or when to apply it. In other words, federal courts have jurisdiction over lots of kinds of disputes that might also be in state courts, but probate is an exception and cannot be decided by a federal court, and federal courts don't have jurisdiction over probate.

The bankruptcy court had said that one of Anna's assets was the inheritance that Pierce had fraudulently denied her. The circuit court said that by deciding that Pierce had defrauded her out of her inheritance, it was basically trying the probate case, and that was a violation of the probate exception. The Supreme Court unanimously said that the circuit court made a mistake and that the bankruptcy court was not deciding a probate matter.

It was such a bizarre interpretation of the probate exception that one might expect fowl play, but the circuit court that decided the case is quite liberal, and federal circuit court judges really are supposed to be incorruptible. But still ...
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:45 AM
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103. Fowl Play?
>>It was such a bizarre interpretation of the probate exception that one might expect fowl play

Fowl play! Were even some chickens agin her? Did Pierce Marshall have some Bantie roosters out to
wreak revenge by any cluckin' means possible?

Kidding aside, thank you for this legal explanation. What a convoluted bunch of twisting turns of legal play. Cases like this show exactly why the American public is so contemptuous of our court system.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:01 AM
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105. Sorry, foul play
However she was screwed it was foul/fowl play.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:19 PM
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55. Thank you for posting this
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:22 PM
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56. A great pity.
Possibly the only post I've read today about her that puts her life in perspective.

It's a shame that every other OP on Anna couldn't be as sympathetic and perceptive as this one.

Thank you.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:23 PM
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57. Thank-you
And bless you.

RIP Anna.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:25 PM
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58. The only identity of Anna the people know is the one created by the media
No one here knew her personally. The only thing any of us ever knew was what we saw on various screens and tubes. We can imagine we know who she was but we will never truly know where the media created persona ends and the real person begins.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:26 PM
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59. Thank you. I think a lot of people are disgusted with how Anna was exploited
Edited on Thu Feb-08-07 09:27 PM by TheGoldenRule
and trashed-often by men in powerful positions or by men who viewed her solely as a sex object instead of a human being. She didn't deserve any of it.

RIP Anna
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Snot Hannity Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 09:52 PM
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62. Thank your for this thread.
A young woman is dead, but the kind of cruel and mean things that were said about her in just a few hours this afternoon right here in DU were honestly very shocking to me. Thanks for starting this thread where people can pay tribute to this young life that is now gone. Rest in peace Anna Nicole.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:06 PM
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63. EXCELLENT POST.
Well done.
I DESPISE celebrity worship, and I'm not too upset one way or another that she's gone, but I'm sick of people on DU dancing on the graves of the recently dead.
Gerald Ford, Molly Ivins, now Anna Nicole Smith...who's the next victim?
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:11 PM
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64. I feel sorry about her death. She struck me as being very vulnerable.
I don't understand the vitriol coming from DU about her.

Who did she ever harm? Who here on DU has been personally HARMED by this woman?

It's a sad and cautionary tale.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:16 PM
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65. Really nice post....
a great tribute to Anna. She was a tragic figure who had a hard life and I think some kindness and compassion are in order.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:36 PM
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66. Well better this tops the greatest page than a year old story about impeachment.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:37 PM
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68. There is utterly no doubt

That she made Howard Marshall happier toward the end of his life than his son did. If a rich old man and a blond bombshell can work out an arrangement that makes them both happy, then more power to them.

As an attorney, the relationship with Howard K. Stern certainly raises my eyebrow. And then within the span of a few months, she has a child allegedly by him and her only other heir dies suddenly. At that time, this seemed, at least to me, to be a train wreck coming.
And came it did. Quite an unusual sequence of coincidences.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:43 PM
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70. I totally agree on the Howard Marshall/ANS
relationship:

"If a rich old man and a blond bombshell can work out an arrangement that makes them both happy, then more power to them."

I was never a big Anna Nicole Smith fan (not that I disliked her) but I never could understand why so many objected to it. He'd been married to a stripper before, obviously KNEW he was very elderly, and quite clearly wasn't "used." Or at least, if he was, he was willing to share his money and affection in exchange for her beauty and affection. Sounds like an okay deal to me.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:58 AM
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104. People have funny ideas

...about what constitutes an "adequate" foundation for a meaningful relationship.

When I was a child, I couldn't figure out how my parents managed to fall madly in love and get married when they couldn't even hold a conversation.

My mother was Austrian. My father was an officer in the US Army. It was the end of WWII. They used to tell stories about all the funny things that happened because she couldn't speak a word of English when she came to the US.

I would scratch my head and wonder, "Well, how in blazes would that even happen." They'd just chuckle and say, "Oh, you'd be surprised how well you manage."

I get it now. My mother was a very beautiful young woman who grew up in post WWI Austria and had just been through hell. My father was a farmboy from the sticks who had never been anywhere in his life before the war. They both knew a "good deal" when they saw one. And it was a good deal that lasted and endured quite a few ups and downs after that.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:08 AM
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107. Wow, I'm speechless
but I understand there is a parallel.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:38 PM
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69. A tragic figure that deserves respect in death
Thanks for posting this!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:47 PM
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71. She always seemed like a very sweet person, and if she gave Marshall a couple
of happy years, that's a great gift.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:08 AM
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108. How much is two years of life worth
to a billionaire?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:01 AM
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120. Whatever he thought it did. NT
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:58 PM
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72. Thanks for posting this. From what I recall she didn't have much of a chance in Texas the son was
well connected. I was very sorry to hear of her death. It really is tragic.
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:02 PM
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73. Great points.
I never bought for a second that J. Howard Marshall was some doddering old man who was being manipulated by a shrewd gold-digger. He may have been old and physically ailing, but he was no dummy. He knew he couldn't take it with him, and better that his fortune go to some stripper who made the last years of his life enjoyable rather than to a family he despised.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:15 PM
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75. Every person has an amazing story...
...and it's usually not the one that everyone knows.

Rest with the angels, Anna.

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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:16 PM
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76. Thanks for this post!
I loved her show and you could tell she really loved her son. When he died suddenly, I felt really bad for her because she seemed so emotionally fragile.
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Fran Kubelik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:16 PM
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77. Thank you.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:21 PM
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78. Who else finds her death rather scary? Especially given that
It seems to mimic her twenty year old son's death just four or five months ago.


THis Howard K Stern (no relation to the radio broadcster) was present or in the whereabouts of both people when they died.

Then in disuccing the medications that Anna N S was on, it is revealed today that she is taking anti-depressants (whom among us who has lost a child wouldn't take anti depressants? i would for one) and methadone (in the form of tablets)

Here's the rub: that is the EXACT scenario of her son's death.

And it turns out that if you are taking both of these things, should you suddenly up your methadone intake by one or two tablets you are toast.

Hmmm - I know nothing about these pills - Are they hard to crush and mix with food?

WEre these two deaths both the result of two people both being a bit depressed and overdosing accidentally?

or were both helped along the way?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:36 PM
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81. It crossed my mind.
I'll admit that it's a possibility. Or it could be that both Anna's son and Anna had problems (tragedies, illnesses, mental anguish) they just could not survive. I wouldn't put it past anyone though.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:29 PM
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79. This post of one of the best I have seen on DU today.
Thank you for a sincere attempt to shed light on the severe problems this woman had to cope with in life. She was a human being and deserves the same respect for the dead that anyone would have for someone in their own hometown. She was a real human being who suffered tragedy and heartbreak. Thank you for this post.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:42 PM
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82. Of all the Smith threads on DU, only this one is worthy of a K&R
I hope 'some people' read this and consider the facts as you've presented them. I only minimally followed this woman's saga, but the way you've portrayed it is pretty much how I recall it.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:54 PM
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84. excellent post
thanks for this
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bedazzled Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:04 AM
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85. thank you! i didn't follow her life very much, but felt bad when her son died
i didn't realize the hard times she had gone through.

i'll bet she felt guilty over her son's death right
after she had a new baby. i'd probably feel guilty,
and never get over it.

i feel for her little one. how sad not to know your mom.
i hope she will be cared for by loving and caring
friends...
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:09 AM
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86. I saw a clip of her with Larry King from 2002, saying she thinks she has a cursed life
She said she felt like there was always a dark cloud hanging over her.

Very prophetic and sad - and I think the reason why people are shocked and saddened about this. She had such a tragic life, played out in the public eye.
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:12 AM
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87. tragic baby
I really feel sad about this. She was from the wrong side of the tracks, the "wrong" sex....and beautiful besides. To make matters worse, she stood up for herself.:sarcasm: She used what she had. I'm sad she didn't have a chance to really develop and use that money.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:43 AM
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95. Interesting court docs about Anna's life
And specifically how she met and married Howard. Clearly, Howard loved her, and she brought much joy to his last years. In all honesty, as a dancer myself, I would have married him at the drop of a hat... no question (and unlike Anna, I wouldn't have put off his numorous proposals for years). In that respect, she had a lot more class than most.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0208071smith1.html

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:11 AM
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109. As I wrote above, how much money is several years of life worth? nt
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 07:05 AM
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111. Several years of HAPPY life
Which is really the whole point, isn't it? She made him happy in her way, and he made her happy in his way. I'd say that's a pretty damn good match. We should all be so lucky to have our last years be so happy and die in that happy state.
:)

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:23 AM
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89. R.I.P.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:27 AM
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91. not meaning to throw cold water on you (see your pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Nicole_Smith

I'm curious how much of this is wrong factually.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:56 AM
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117. Nothing in my inbox
As for the wiki article, there are lots of disputes over there (especially over the legal analysis) as it is updated with the news and the article hasn't "settled down," and keeps changing, so it's difficult to know where it conflicts with what I wrote.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:35 AM
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92. Thank you for taking the time to create this post.
A sad and tragic story. In a few paragraphs you've honored her memory, and brought dignity back to the woman.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:37 AM
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93. Thanks for the post.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:37 AM
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94. On the local news tonight
They were talking to people who knew ANS.
One was one of her High School teachers. She pointed out that Anna had a hard life.
Nothing more was said about that.
I know that area...you can have ten crack dealers approach you if you drive under the overpass.
It is very poor, very dangerous place.
My mom used to live there when she worked at the State School.
More than once, she had people try to grab her while she walked through her yard.
It is not a "nice, quiet little town".
Anyway, they interviewed another pretty blonde girl that worked in a convenience store. She was bitter.
She felt ANS should have given something back to Mexia.
I have a hard time understanding this.
Mexia NEVER gave anything to Anna.
Why do people think she owes them anything?
That was the story of this poor woman's life.
Everybody always wanted something from her and in the end, she paid the ultimate price.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:47 AM
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97. Rest in peace, Anna, and may God smile on you.
Just a couple of days ago I again saw the picture of Anna as she left her son's funeral. I thought she looked pale and stricken and actually worried for her, though she is a stranger to me, and I am not even really a fan. Can you imagine waking up in the hospital room with your new baby - being a much older mother - and seeing your grown son dead in the room with you? How many new mothers succomb to post-partum depression without such an unspeakable horror?

I hope and pray that her new baby has much love and a good life.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:22 AM
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99. Her life has been nothing but a circus sideshow, with her as the central freak. I just hope...
...this poor woman can finally find normality and peace in death that she has been denied her entire life. This goldfish is finally free from the fishbowl.

Rest in peace, Anna.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:32 AM
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101. Sometimes I wonder why I still come to DU....
and then I read a post like yours and remember why. Thanks for putting the events in proper perspective -- great antidote to the kneejerk, cruel snark from people here today who really don't understand her or even give a shit (though they'll certainly act like they have someting important to say). Anna Nicole had a tough life, some of it her own doing and much of it foisted upon her. A terribly conflicted person but someone I rooted for, and she always fascinated me and brought out feelings of sympathy. I hope she's found some peace now, as I hope her child can find. :(
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:44 AM
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102. I Always Believed He Meant Her to Have It; Don't Get That Rich Not Knowing With Whom You're In Bed
I didn't know all the details before this post - I'm not a true fan of hers, but I've always sorta liked her - but I've always believed that Marshall meant for her to have his money. Whether it was business or love, he knew what he was doing, and no doubt was grateful to her for her companionship and kindness.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:02 AM
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106. wow. thank you. we needed this.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:13 AM
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110. we were on the road and had just pulled over for a brown bag lunch when Randi...
mentioned the breaking news, like she we were stunned, cause Anna had gone through so much...you'd like to think that after a boat-load of pain, sorrow, death, media use & personal abuse, that someone, maybe even Anna, would be able to take her eye off the ball for a moment or two...

she may have courted some of what befell her, but she seemed to me a good sort somehow if a little in a state of drift; i don't think she deserved all that has been dumped on her, and i hope she, and her loved ones, are in a better place

safe passage, Anna, for a big ole Splashy American Gal i thought you were alright O8)
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 07:33 AM
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112. Thanks HamdenRice. Always nice to get the "other" side of the story.
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 08:10 AM
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113. Thanks for this fine post
I hope someone writes a serious book about ANC. Of course there will be the trashy ones, but this life begs for a thoughtful, serious examination.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 08:29 AM
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114. She never seemed to be a hateful person.
She was high as a kite in the last few years of her t.v. show. There was one episode when it finally clicked with her that some people were ridiculing her. She dropped the extra weight and seemed to become more lucid in no time at all.

Definately not the brightest card in the deck, but she had character and never seemed to be mean to anyone. There have been worse epitaphs.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:29 AM
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116. Wow, this makes me feel really, really guilty.
I must confess to having had really awful, wicked thoughts about her and assuming the worst about her life. Thanks for setting me straight and I am sorry.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:27 PM
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142. I admire you for saying this. I really do.
:hug:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:56 AM
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118. RIP Anna. n/t
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:07 AM
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121. I will second your statement on Pierce Marshall
he was all you stated and more.. An evil greedy man... I must say I enjoyed this piece about her and thank you for sharing the truth of the matter...

This is also a lesson to show that things are not always what they seem at all....
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:16 AM
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122. Wow I had no idea. Thanks for sharing nt
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:44 AM
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123. Wrong Information
Some of your information is wrong and I think some of your other information is wrong. I do not think Texas is a community property state. I know of a women who divorced a man in Texas and she did not automatically get half of all the assests gained during the marriage. She had to fight just to get the house and the car even though the man cheated on her.

In terms of Smith being a poor girl from a small town that seems to be false. According to Ms. Smith's mother Ms. Smith was born into a middle class family in Houston, Texas. Ms. Smith just used the poor girl story to gain more attention. According to her mother Ms. Smith said that people did not want to hear about a middle class girl who made it big; they wanted to hear about a rags to riches story.

In addition, the court ruling might not be as classist and sexist driven as you think. It is very possible for a wife or child not to get money if that person is not in the will. Since Ms. Smith was left out of Mr. Marshall's will it is very possible that he did not intend to give her any money after his death. James Brown's son may not get any money from his estate in that the boy was left out of the will. If Ms. Smith wanted Mr. Marshall to leave her any money she should have had him write it down. I do think you can go and the judge will tell you that oral agreements are not in any way valid in court. For instance, someone could say to you that if they win a $100 million lottery prize they will give you half of the prize if they win the prize and then decide not to give you half or they die the oral agreement means nothing.

I think the person you should be angry with is the Mr. Marshall himself, not his son. If what you said about Mr. Marshall is true than he seemed to be a playboy who just liked having women around him. I doubt he refused to give Ms. Smith money during his life because he did not want to be taxed. There are many way to get around those tax issues and a business man like Mr. Marshall should have known them all. You can legally give people a certain amount of money with paying those gift taxes. In addition, according to the book "Perfectly Legal" there are many tricks that can be used by the rich to get around those laws. Finally, "Perfectly Legal" claims that many rich people who break tax laws do not even get audited. So it is very possible that Mr. Marshall could have given Ms. Smith those gifts without getting caught by the IRS. If what you said it true I think Mr. Marshall never intended to leave Ms. Smith any money.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:17 AM
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126. Most of your information is wrong
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 11:25 AM by HamdenRice
Google is your friend. Texas is a community property state. The community property states are: Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin.

Then you wrote:

"It is very possible for a wife or child not to get money if that person is not in the will. Since Ms. Smith was left out of Mr. Marshall's will it is very possible that he did not intend to give her any money after his death. James Brown's son may not get any money from his estate in that the boy was left out of the will."

Wrong again. It is possible to disinherit your children. It is impossible in 49 out of 50 states to disinherit your spouse, no matter what the will says. Either because of "spouse's elective share" (1/3 to 1/2 depending on the jurisdiction) or "community property." Anna was a spouse, not a child, of Marshall and she therefore should not have been disinherited.

As for Howard's failure to write down his intentions, you should read the court's opinion. Pierce virtually took Howard prisoner, forged documents and destroyed documents to prevent Howard from putting his wishes in writing or carrying them out while alive. Under such circumstances, the failure to write down his wishes does not bar Anna from recovering.

It is a common misunderstanding that oral agreements are not enforceable. They are. The limitation you may be thinking of is the ancient "statute of frauds" and "statute of wills," which in some cases makes oral agreements for over a certain amount of money, or in relation to land, or in relation to wills unproveable. But under the circumstances here, Anna could go forward to prove her claim.

As for the tax issues, the amount you can give tax free (unmarried) is trivial compared to the amount that Howard actually gave Anna before they were married. In other words, he was already way beyond the gift tax exemption.

You managed to get a lot wrong in a short space. I suggest you read the bankruptcy court opinion, which disagrees with you, and the unanimous Supreme Court opinion.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:45 PM
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Smith's ESTRANGED mother is lying.
Yes, she was born in Houston, but the family moved to Mexia--a small, poor town--when she was two. That's where she grew up. And I'm familiar with the family; no matter how much the mother wants to insist that they were middle class, they weren't. She might be now, thanks to her daughter's money, but ANS most assuredly did not grow up in a comfortable middle class home.

I would take anything the mother says with a gigantic grain of salt. She's been estranged from her daughter for years, and isn't exactly an accurate (or well-intentioned) source when it comes to details on ANS's life.
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:00 PM
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138. her mother reminds me of my mother, sadly...
no matter how hard we try to get away from our brainless hillbilly relatives, they keep hanging on...her "mother" will be calling the enquirer to sell her story before noon today, you can be sure.

piece of shit.

likewise, my mother would tell you, if asked, that we had everything we needed, that we were middle class, that she was a great mother, etc. but she bought drugs instead of food and we were very poor.

bad parents tend to delude themselves.
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:48 AM
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124. Thanks for teh post
I didn't know Anna's story past the 30 second news spots on TV that never gave details so my opinion of her was not very high--as one poster said she was famous for being famous and I tend to ignore and disdain those type of celebreties (ie K-fed, Astrounant Depends, moms who drive their kids into a lake).

Anyway the legal story puts a much better story on Anna Nichole (one that should be told by the media over the quick questions about wha happened that are occuring instead).
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:06 PM
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129. Anna Nicole, have peace and rest in Light Eternal n/t
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:15 PM
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130. I always liked Anna....
She never put on airs, or tried to come across as anything but herself. She was just as real as real can get.

Rest easy, Anna. Hope you've found the peace that was so elusive in life.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:44 PM
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133. A good read. Thanks for educating me.
:kick:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:45 PM
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134. Thank you for this. I often felt bad for Anna...
Her life was often a mess. I say that regardless of the circumstances surrounding her and the elderly man she married, if having her in his life for his last year or two brought him some joy, then who am I to judge? I don't believe she was "just a gold-digger", but even if that were the case, if he was happy and willing to support her, and give her his riches in death in exchange for her hand in marriage, then that's his right.

I thought she seemed like a pretty sweet person, albeit one with some issues, but definitely not worthy of the scorn she received from so many.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:50 PM
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136. Thank you very much HR
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 01:30 PM by JackRiddler
I knew nothing about any of this -- for example, I was under the impression ANS had won the money. Very thoughtful post. Did you write this in the hours after her death from scratch?!

To be truthful, even if you believe the worst said about her, in the context of our Capitalist Feudalism I find that it redounds to her credit. I see now it was not the case, but: Even if she had "goldbricked" her way to riches by fucking some robber baron to death, she was at worst living up to the American Dream.

If a society is going to tolerate private fortunes in the billions, does anyone care to argue the relative justice of having a bunch of parasitic relatives inherit the billions instead of his wife? Is someone going to tell me that Marshall's business practices in piling up all that dough were morally superior or brought greater benefit to society than ANS's method of gaining access to it? Please.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:21 PM
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140. It was easy to write
because I had followed her case. It actually is very important in some quarters.

The first time I read the California bankruptcy opinion some time ago, I was pretty startled by the facts.
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:52 PM
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137. Nice one
Thanks.
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Treclo Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:03 PM
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139. Thank you.
There is always more than one side to every story. RIP Anna.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:24 PM
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141. Thank you so much for posting this! I really liked Anna and hoped
she would eventually prevail. The record should be set straight about her and it's a shame it didn't happen while she was alive. I have always thought her detractors were classist and sexist. I am sorry she had to suffer the way she did.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:10 PM
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143. Anyone cast in a Coen Brother's film
in her case, "The Hudsucker Proxy", has got to be alright.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110074/fullcredits

RIP Anna.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:19 PM
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145. What a great post. I really appreciate learning the other side of it beyond
the media portrayal of her. I feel so sad that she passed away. And now learning about this Pierce Marshall person, I feel even sorrier for her.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:29 PM
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146. Sad and tragic...yes...
And reflects the state of our nation and society.

The road to American dream is paved with avarice and greed that leaves a trail dead.



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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:46 PM
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148. I was always pulling for ANS in the probate suit. She and Marshall
were LEGALLY married. Because of this and this alone, she was entitled to a reasonable portion of his estate. Age difference is irrelevant. Her history as an exotic dancer is irrelevant. You don't leave the widow of a rich man destitute, particularly one as vulnerable and intellectually limited as she was.

RIP Anna. May you finally have the peace you knew so little of here on earth.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:56 PM
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150. Howard Marshall and R-politically-connected Koch Industries
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 02:59 PM by EVDebs
See under
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Howard_Marshall


"Since 1998, Koch is the fourth biggest campaign oil and gas industry giver, behind ChevronTexaco, El Paso Corp. and Enron Corp.

Despite its size and political largesse, Koch is able to dodge the limelight because it is privately-held, meaning that nearly all of its business dealings are known primarily only by the company and the Internal Revenue Service. In fact, it is the second largest private company in the country, trailing only food processing giant Cargill.

Koch also prefers to operate in private when it comes to politics and government. "

The Politics of Oil
http://www.publicintegrity.org/oil/report.aspx?aid=347

In her own fabulous way the wily Anna did us all a favor in disguise ! Look what she was up against.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 07:59 PM
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154. Thanks for posting this.
Jesus Christ.
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