VIDEO: ECONOMIC COLLAPSE AS PRECURSOR TO OPEN PLAN FOR MARTIAL LAW?

[redacted]

Many fear recession, bank run, strike on Iran or terror attack could signal green light for state of emergency

by Paul Joseph Watson
Global Research, August 19, 2007

The open announcement of a program on behalf of the federal government that is recruiting clergy to aid the authorities in "quelling dissent," gun confiscation and forced relocation in the event of martial law has many worried that the current economic plunge could be the precursor for a state of emergency in America.

A KSLA 12 news report out of Louisiana confirmed a story we originally broke last year - that religious leaders are being enrolled into a federal program that trains them how to "quell dissent" and make people obey the government in the aftermath of a declaration of martial law following a mass casualty terror attack or a natural disaster.

Watch the video:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=47880&mesg_id=47880

A convergence of events logically leads to a conclusion that only the most naive observer would deny - that an upcoming crisis may be in the pipeline that will signal the green light for such provisions to be enacted. World stock markets continued to plunge today despite billions in liquidity being pumped into the system by governments in Europe, Asia and the U.S.

With a prolonged slump leading to fears of a recession on the horizon, many worry that a run on the banks could cause chaos on American streets and give the government an excuse to enact sate of emergency procedures that Bush recently codified into law with his Presidential Decision Directive of May 9th.

Others see the designation of Iran's military wing as a terrorist organization by the White House as an ominous indication that a military strike is being finalized, as five U.S. aircraft carriers circulate the Persian Gulf.

MORE
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6585

[helderheid]

1. checking out the video now

[Hydra]

2. I can't watch the video right now

But after seeing "Money as Debt", this economic crisis smells fishy...and deliberate.

The best way to put in a totalitarian gov't is to have a crisis so big that the people beg for a "strong government" to save them, even if you have to create that crisis yourself.

[helderheid]

3. CHILLING.

[dipsydoodle]

4. An earlier post on this was locked

and moved to the 9/11 section whatever.

Both links go back to Prison Planet - a renowmed conspiracy site.

[helderheid]

6. That news video surely doesn't belong in the dungeon.

[dipsydoodle]

7. I didn't say it should happen

:) I said it did happen. Always happens with anything associated with Alex Jones. If he reported that one of my cats stole a hook off one my banjos and hid it and I posted that it would land up in 9/11 - trust me.

There are many stories in the naked city................ lol. Think you're too young to remember that expresion.:hi:

[helderheid]

10. I'm sorry - I didn't mean to insinuate that you did!

:hi:

[dipsydoodle]

12. I knew what you meant

that was my I put the smile in at the start of the first line.:thumbsup:

[Deja Q]

11. If they're renowned for being a conspiracy site, I'll agree.

It should be moved.

[redacted]

15. All articles are based on a news report from KSLA-TV Channel 12 New Orleans.

KSLA-TV Channel 12 in New Orleans is not a conspiracy site.

KSLA-TV Channel 12 is a CBS network affiliate.

This news report has been posted on DU at least twice since it broke last Thursday and those reports were not moved anywhere by moderators.

This news report video from KSLA-TV has nothing to do with September 11. It has a lot to do with Katrina.

Global Research in Canada is not a conspiracy site and has been cited countless times here on DU without being thrown on the dungeon.

[sendero]

36. It's not the facts..

... that are particularly disputable, it is the interpretation thereof.

Trust me, the day the government tries to confiscate guns will the be second American revolution. Count on it.

[redacted]

38. But KSLA reports as fact that gun confiscations happened early on in New Orleans

in their report if I'm not mistaken. And there was no revolt there, at least insofar as reports from those close to the situation were concerned.

What happened there was more like the opposite result, especially as citizens attempted to cross bridges to leave the city and were turned back on the spans by authorities with weapons, like on the bridge leading to Gretna.

[sendero]

39. I'm talking about..

.. a generalized confiscation effort, in places that people don't feel is a disaster zone.

I really don't think bubba is going to go for it, I really don't.

[redacted]

40. I think you're right. I certainly hope so.

[jgraz]

5. I wonder what they'll do with the atheists

Actually, I don't wonder that much. I'm just curious whether our executions will be public.

Hey, these clergy would probably volunteer to help out there as well.

[sarcasmo]

24. Hang us at the stake just like they did the "Witches".

[lynnertic]

42. you mean, burn? folks are hanged from gallows or trees

[EnricoFermi]

8. Thanks for this post

This sums it all up well.

We need to keep a close eye on executive orders, military action near Iran, where and who Cheney and Bush are meeting with daily, and any other mysterious activity. This isn't gross incompetence, as it has frequently been labeled by the media. Believe me, they will get the last laugh.

It may be a well thought out and deliberate plan to gain full control, or at least this cannot be ruled out. We need to be ahead of the game, reporting, documenting, and notifying anyone who can help. We need to keep people like Leahy and others at their throats and urge all other representatives to stop backing down or just waiting for it to be resolved by the next election. IT WILL NOT.

No more time, no more delays. We have to wonder why they are comfortable delaying everything a few weeks or months. Is something anticipated? Listen to their language, such as Cheney indicating that Iran will be dealt with before he leaves, and diplomacy seems to be failing, the same language as before Iraq. Watch appointments and resignations carefully.

[stirlingsliver]

9. The Video Is Chilling

The video is absolutely chilling.

It made me think of Germany in the 1930's and '40's.

[helderheid]

13. I TOTALLY agree.

[mogster]

14. Martial law executed by a president that never was elected

Now, try to imagine for yourself the president telling the US citizens that martial law is necessary back in December 2000, and then imposing it. It would never have worked, it is inconcievable.
How far have we gone since then?

[skids]

16. Problem with the "bank run" scenario...

...the rank and file American citizen doesn't have any savings.

The only people that can "run the banks" are very wealthy traders. A small minority who hold all the wealth. They may be powerful, but they don't have the numbers to riot.

So while foreclosures, disasters, and unemployment could cause a riot, I don't think we'll see the classic "bank run" scenario.

[redacted]

20. Right. We may see the "angry millionaires v. the billionaires"

and when you've got lots of financial resources you can have a substantial impact without vast numbers of individuals.

Keep in mind that the American Revolution was incited and fought originally (before aid from France) by "millionaire" Founding Fathers, v. the "billionaire" King of England.

This theme is often discussed in podcasts over at Karmabanqueradio.com, and I think they're on to something.

[Gabi Hayes]

17. how odd. I just read this, linked from the site following Global Research:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO504B.html

Is America Preparing for Martial Law?
by Michel Chossudovsky
www.globalresearch.ca 10 April 2005



...........

this supposedly started TODAY:

Portland to Host Terrorism Drill “NOBLE RESOLVE 07-2” Aug. 20 to 24

August 13, 2007 — Portland, Oregon

Portland to Host Terrorism Drill “NOBLE RESOLVE 07-2” Aug. 20 to 24

Citizens Warn of Established Pattern for Such Drills to go “live”

Contact: Info OregonTruthAlliance dot
http://www.oregontruthalliance.org/node/3

[redacted]

18. Gabi, don't understand what you mean by "how odd"

[Gabi Hayes]

19. odd, as in odd coincidence. I just read that story before coming here.

and it was from the same URL...that's all

I wonder if this is getting any coverage in Oregon

Actually, I should call a few people I know out there and see if they know anything about it

[redacted]

21. I see, thanks

[Gabi Hayes]

22. I just tried google news and there isn't one thing about the Portland terrorism drill

just links at google on the already mentioned stuff, and at lots of crank sites

I'd like to know what the deal is on that

[warren pease]

25. I'm in Portland and haven't heard anything until reading this thread...

I don't watch local news, but I was listening to KPOJ, the local AAR affiliate, for a couple of hours this afternoon and heard nothing. I'm going to have a look at Portland indymedia and I'll post later if I find anything there.


wp

[warren pease]

27. Here's something...

From Portland indymedia, 8/13

"Captain Eric H. May, the Internet military intelligence writer, has written his most detailed article to date on the highly suspicious Portland Nuke exercise, Noble Resolve. He names the names of the key players in the operation, and of the military and media figures who have joined the growing outcry about what may turn out to be a false flag version of the White Houses much- predicted terror nuke."

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/08/363408.shtml


And from today.

"The U.S. military "experiment" known as "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" begins today in Portland, with command centers in Virginia, Texas, Guam, Korea and two locations in Oregon: Salem and Portland.

"Despite the assurances of the US Joint Forces command that the exercise is "purely a computer-based simulation of an earthquake scenario in Portland", many people in the area are extremely concerned.

"Some have mentioned the possibility of the simulation "going live", as happened with the Vigilant Guardian exercise on September 11, 2001. But even without it "going live", there is the little fact that the US military is NOT the organization commissioned by Congress to respond to disasters, and by doing so, as they did in New Orleans following Katrina, they violate the long-standing tradition of 'posse comitatus', which forbids the military from engaging in domestic policing activities."

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/08/363744.shtml


Pretty light coverage, but note the change from a nuclear attack scenario to one simulating an earthquake. If this were a precursor to another false flag op to "justify" the imposition of martial law, any old disaster would do. And since Portland has fewer earthquakes than, say, the Bay Area, that would be seen as a less likely and less suspicious scenario than other disasters more common to the region, like a volcano going ballistic.

Another thing of note: Bush is absolutely detested in Portland. His daddy called the city "little Beirut" for the vehemence of protesters (back when protesting wasn't a federal crime). And Bushie Jr. has been the subject of mass protests and some fairly serious cops/protester confrontations both times he's shown up since his 2001 coronation. Same with Cheney and anybody else in this administration who tries to sneak into town for a zillion-dollar fundraiser.

Also note the comments after the article, specifically the next-to-last one. Do you think there are enough pricks in america already, or do we need to import a few million more from wherever the first-class prick pod farm is located. H-1B visas for all.


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[warren pease]

28. More from the Oregonian 8/10 and democrats.com...

Haven't heard this one yet:

"Operation Noble Resolve is actually a rolling series of exercises -- "experiments," in the parlance of the U.S. Forces Joint Command -- taking place over two years in multiple jurisdictions. The command conducted one centered in southern Virginia in April, basing it on a simulated terrorist attack. It's all a preamble to a more complex exercise called TopOff that will take place in Portland this fall."

and...

"While some choose to view this exercise as sinister -- a pretext for a nuclear attack by the U.S. military on American citizens, according to some fevered speculation -- it is, in fact, a prudent thing to do."

Fevered speculators R us, I guess. More here:

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/stories/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1186705535224610.xml&coll=7


And this from democrats.com:

"NOBLE RESOLVE is too dangerous to allow in Oregon. This exercise, drilling War of Terror scenarios in Oregon, comes just as the media is filling up with warnings of a new 9/11 and the recent Presidential Executive Orders: NSPD 51, 5/10/07, "... allows the sitting president to declare a "national emergency" without Congressional approval..."

"It's looking more and more like a perfect storm of terror, treason and totalitarianism. Drills like these have a history of going live (e.g. 09/11/01 & 07/07/05) and now we have NSPD 51 — the equivalent of Hitler's Article 48." More here:

http://www.democrats.com/node/13811


Sounds like a blast of an autumn.


wp

[lonestarnot]

30. I'd speculate that there will be a lot of dead clergy.

Or should I call them martars?

[warren pease]

31. Self-delete; just got the joke...

[file83]

32. My guess is that they go with the prime number in the date, so 8/23

The exercise is from 8/20 to 8/24. So 8/23 would work just fine for those false-flag bastards.

I have many friends and family in the Portland area. If the shit goes down, then this gets personal.

[warren pease]

33. I'm afraid it's already personal...

BushCo decided well before its first day in office, as all dictatorships do, that the citizenry is the enemy and must be controlled by any means available. In fact, literally on its first full working day, BushCo aides "began the process of undoing late-term (Clinton) executive orders ... on environmental policy, abortion and medical privacy." reported the SF Chronicle on 1/22/01.

It's been personal to them since day one. They see life as a giant zero-sum game, in which they only win if you and I lose. You see that in their insane fiscal policies and tax cuts for the rich. You see it when they con poor kids into volunteering to kill brown people so that the oligarchy's net worth increases in proportion to how much oil the US controls. You see it in their drive to kill regulatory oversight by filling those agencies with BushCo loyalists, which results in acts of domestic terror like raising the allowable level of arsenic in drinking water, and similar misuses of the public trust that occur when regulations are drawn up and implemented on a "cost/benefits" basis -- which is simply code for making sure industry isn't inconvenienced and the dollars keep flowing into corporate accounts.

This group has excelled in the use and amplification of free-floating dread of coming terrorist attacks, but their wheels are falling off, Iraq's seen as a massive failure, the economy is tanking fast, and there must be a new "product" launched to reestablish the level of mindless BushCo worship and fear of imminent death that prevailed in the weeks after 9/11. That was a time dictators dream of, when the proles did their social control work for them, and when it was often physically dangerous to talk bad about the regime -- ironically, in many of the same places where impeachment is now advocated openly.

The shit's been going down for 6.5 years and, if BushCo remains true to form, it will get much nastier in the coming 1.5 years. That assumes the best case, which is that they actually step down when their terms are up and resist the urge to consolidate their power by declaring martial law, suspending 2008 elections and declaring The Commander Guy generalissimo for life. Since resisting powerful urges to control the world seems impossible for these bastards, I think it's safe to assume that some last-ditch mega-scare that would provide the pretext for the usurpation of all Constitutional powers is at least in the works. Which brings us back to Portland.

We've got all the right credentials. Flaming BushCo haters; "elitist" left coast lefties; thriving artistic community; no major industrial or manufacturing facilities whose obliteration would cause undue financial hardship to the corporate masters (although Intel would lose a lot of engineers, they could easily be replaced with South Asians); a port that could be at least partially replaced by Seattle or San Francisco; and far enough away from other major population centers that some chemical, biological or nuclear disaster wouldn't kill too many non-Oregonians.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit, although I somewhat resent being turned into a bled-out shell, a smallpox victim or a charred cinder to contribute to BushCo's continued mania to plunder the planet.

Ah well... it's been a good run. And it's profoundly amazing that I could suspect the US government of plotting to kill me and a few hundred thousands others just for PR value. But examples of false flag ops to gain political advantage abound throughout history, so why not here? All it takes is a few truly twisted megalomaniacs, a handful of skilled black ops pros, a narcotized populace and a pompom-waving mass media. Unfortunately, we have all these elements in abundance.


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[sarcasmo]

23. I have been saying this since 2004 and I sure hope we are wrong.

Kick and Nom.

[Pale Blue Dot]

26. I think that the evidence shows the exact opposite.

This economy has been ready to tank for a while now, but the Fed is pulling every short-sighted trick out of their ass to ensure that it does not. Last week's actions with regard to the stock market are the perfect example.

An economic collapse would be the end of the Republican party forever, and they know that.

[Gabi Hayes]

29. you're probably right.....they're doing whatever they can to hold back the tide

until Nov., 08. after that, you KNOW Bush etal don't care

and if the pugs "win" again, there are four more years to hoodwink the suckers again

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. Kick! eom

[sendero]

35. Good thing..

... I don't waste my time in churches.

[Megahurtz]

37. Employing Fundamentalist CLERGY???

:puke: I never even dreamed I would hear anything like this!
Every day I hear something worse and all you have to do is just connect the dots. :scared:

[BeHereNow]

41. Its fairly horrifying to watch what is unfolding-

Personally, I think the day is coming when it will be damned near impossible
to leave the country.
I really want to at this point.
BHN