They brainwash us young

[SHRED]

Take school for instance...

For those who do not like it then it serves as a conditioning device to get young children use to the idea of getting up early and going to a place they despise.
This creates good little workers that are pre-conditioned not to speak out against the 8 hour day, or their conditions at work.

It's all a game.

[bufffbison]

1. take a look at our policing

have you stopped to think who the police serve? have you watched the news in the last 20 years? more and more you see police are responding to business thefts and business related issues more than any other crime. in fact look how our judicial system sentence criminals. a person who raped a 13 year old girl may only get 3 years in prision and 5 years probation, and has to register as a sex offender. a person who robs a business may get up to 10 years for robbery and 5 or mopre years probation! now tell me who the policing and our whole judicial system was created for? its very sad.... i work at a childrens behavior corrections facility and if we cannot prove the child is victim to rape (whether it was commited by a family member or not) there is no grounds for us to persue an investigation. all the children services would do is visit their home to talk with the family and leave. before the children services would do anything, the rape has to be witness by someone or if the child dies or is severely injured.

[SHRED]

3. thanks for your insight

[PLF]

15. If you go back and research the history of policing you will find

that the institution was created in a response to the needs of the merchant class back in the late 1700s. Justice and rule of law are just nice cover stories similar to "spreading democracy" as a motivation in Iraq.

[newyawker99]

16. Hi PLF!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[PLF]

17. thanks

I appreciate it.

[bryant69]

2. You are so right

We should shut down all the schools - just build better libraries and let our younglings run wild and free.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[SHRED]

5. I don't pretend to have an answer

Just pointing out a "condition" that came to me one day.
It was one of those "ah hah!" moments.

[MadHound]

6. Riiiight, that would truly lead to a well educated populace. NOT!

Sorry that there are people out there who hate schools and education. But schools do a great service to the community. Frankly you wouldn't be reading or posting here without it.

Yeah, let's put our childrens' education back in the hands of their parents. Wait, we tried that before, and it didn't work so well. That is why we instituted schools.

[acmejack]

9. Those thoughtful responses encourage everybody to "check it out"

Lots more in that vein there, huh?

[bryant69]

10. Well i generally put more thought to it over there

So what's your solution to this problem? I mean if the schools are brainwashing our young to get used to crap jobs, how do you solve that problem?

Do you foresee a time in the near future where most people don't work crap jobs?

Bryant

[acmejack]

14. No, I foresee us all shoveling at the shit works very soon.

We too can work for 8 cents an hour in terrible conditions, kind of like the Indian shipbreakers. As soon as the dollar bites it. btw, PC is pretty readable, I visit it quite a bit, just being a morning smart ass.

[LSK]

26. so basically if you dont have a perfect solution, dont even mention the problem?

:shrug:

[bryant69]

27. Who said anything about a perfect solution?

any solution would be nice.

Bryant

[knitter4democracy]

4. In using Dewey's plan, that's what we wanted our schools to be.

We could've gone with the Montessori plan for our schools, but Dewey's worked better for producing factory workers. That's why we picked it. Educational history is rather interesting.

[tonkatoy57]

8. Bingo

The American education sytem was created in response to the factory system prevelant at the time; structured linear production, bells to mark time and everyone in the class doing the same task as the others.

Montessori is, in my opinion, a much better and more cooperative system for learning.

[SHRED]

7. And if the children rebel...

...they pump them up with Ritlan and God knows what.

[melm00se]

11. my S-I-L's master's thesis in education

was on changing the structure of the school day to meet the changing face of the economy. In her historical analysis, she pointed out the 50 minute class, get up, go to the next class was really early training for an industrial/facttory type employment: do this task for X amount time, rotate to new task for X amount time etc.

maybe she had something there.

[pampango]

12. The idea of children getting up early and going to school seems

to have caught on around the world, not just in the US. I believe that China under Mao (about as different a society as I can imagine, except perhaps Cambodia under Pol Pot) children went to school. They learned different things to be sure (how to be a good Communist worker), but they still had to get up and go to school

[PLF]

13. A quote from Woodrow Wilson

"We want one class to have a liberal education. We want another class, a very much larger class of necessity, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks." Woodrow Wilson


Personally I learned to read at home and my formal "educational" experience as a child was very much about molding us into workers rather than building analytical skills.

[dogday]

18. I call them "Little Learning Soldiers"

and yes they are being pre-conditioned to all march in step....

[Jonathan50]

19. Jesuit maxim, "Give me the child until he is seven and I will give you the man," n/t

[originalpckelly]

20. Well, okay then, move to a farm and live off the land...

tell us how enjoyable the day is then.

[Rosemary2205]

24. Excuse me but that requires indoctrination too.

Even farm kids are indoctrinated into that lifestyle.

Which I don't think is a bad thing.

[Egalitarian]

30. Trigger point?

That would be one of many options, yes. But, only the rich can afford to live of the land in these times.

[Toucano]

21. This isn't really brainwashing.

But it is conditioning. A lot of primary education is conditioning.

Every society wants the next generation to value it's values.

Simply learning to to speak alters the pathways in the brain. Learning to ride a bike does the same thing. And learning to read.

I wouldn't call those things brainwashing.

[shance]

22. The "game" is becoming more obvious isn't it?

The game will end only when we refuse to play it.

[politicat]

23. You know, in the history of humanity, work has pretty much always

been about doing things you don't want to do and getting up early to do it. The best time of day to get the auroch was early morning when they went to the watering hole, so up at dawn was the norm. Best time to pick mushrooms is early morning because the light is best and you have the most of it.

When we started growing crops, we needed daylight to turn the soil, plant, weed and harvest.

Getting up early isn't the problem. Doing things we don't like isn't the problem. Those are norms for humanity. Expecting that there's anything different to survival is the problem. Life isn't about perpetual happiness and puppies. Life is just living.

[Rosemary2205]

25. You are bitching about the 8 hr day?

Gawd help you when the GOP finally manages to destroy all unions and worker rights and we are back to being expected to work 12-18 hrs a day with no food,water,pee breaks.

[BluePatriot]

28. You ever read...

"The Underground History of American Education"?

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/

You are right, it's not about learning, it's about learning obedience to authority that many of us will never question. Fortunately, some of us squeeze in intellectual interests at school, and some critical thinkers still evolve.

[90-percent]

29. an old metal song

"BIRTH-SCHOOL-WORK-DEATH"

This was the extent of the lyrics as I remember. Kind of sums up the whole thing for me.

-85% jimmy