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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:14 AM
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I IMPLORE YOU TO READ THIS MESSAGE FROM BEV HARRIS, IF YOU CARE ABOUT DEMOCRACY

A concise list of problems in Holt Bill HR 811
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From: "Black Box Voting" <blackboxvoting@worldnet.att.net>

Organization: Black Box Voting

Reply-To: crew@blackboxvoting.org

Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:36:50 -0800


Subject:

Beware of the Bandwagon: A concise list of problems in Holt Bill HR 811

Tips for action: You can find your local congressperson, along with contact info, by going to http://www.congress.org and entering your zip code.

Educate your local news reporter on this. And send to your lists.

Further action suggestions will follow.

There is a reason you are receiving e-mails to urge your congressperson to "hurry" and pass the Holt Bill. They hope it won't be read.

You should know this -- the following groups have come out against the new Holt Bill:

- Black Box Voting has publicly come out against the Bill

- Open Voting Consortium has publicly come out against the Bill

- Brad Friedman (BradBlog) has publicly come out against the Bill

- Jon Bonifaz (VoterAction.org / Demos) has publicly come out against the Bill

- Paul Lehto has publicly come out against the Bill

- Democracy for New Hampshire has publicly come out against the Bill

Decline to support:

- John Gideon (VotersUnite, VoteTrustUSA) has publicly refused to support the bill

and there will be more.

HERE'S WHY

1. DECEPTIVE LANGUAGE. Calls a paper TRAIL a paper BALLOT.

2. BILLION DOLLAR UNFUNDED MANDATE: Requires text conversion technology in every polling place. At $7000 per machine for 185,000 polling places, you do the math. See this article for documentation on the billion-dollar

boondoggle:

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/46649.html

The bill is not talking about scanner wands, folks. Or if it is, they'd better specify that, and soon! Except that apparently, it's too late to make changes.

Note that only two vendors currently manufacture the needed technology, and one (Populex) has as head of its advisory board Frank Carlucci, the former chairman of the Carlyle Group, former CIA director, who was Donald Rumsfeld's roommate in college. Every polling place in America. Is this really what you want? Isn't it time to read the fine print on this???

3. MAKES THE SCANDAL RIDDEN EAC A PERMANENT FIXTURE AND INCREASES ITS POWER.

Alan Dechert, from the Open Voting Consortium says it best: "Holt contemplates the invasion of these United States by the Federal government.

If passed, it would BREAK the voting system in the states while establishing a dictatorship to handle things: the Election Assistance Commission ("EAC"

or just "the Commission") with its four commissioners appointed by the president of the United States." Bradblog on latest EAC scandal:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4119

4. ALLOWS LOSS OF SECRET BALLOTS for the Military

5. NO RECOGNITION OF CITIZEN RIGHT TO OVERSIGHT. Audit provisions do not allow either citizens or candidates access to any records for meaningful audits.

6. CONFLICTING REQUIREMENTS -- ie, must have text converters by 2008 and must study how to best do the conversions by 2010.

7. LANGUAGE ON DISCLOSED SOURCE CODE CONTAINS AN ERROR in that it doesn't deal with COTS - meaning, any electronics component with a chip on it would be required to disclose source code. There are literally hundreds of commercial off the shelf components in the system -- printers, video drivers, motherboard components -- that contain firmware, and these are manufactured all over the world. The bill would require Hitachi, Seagate, Fuji, Western Digital to open up their code for their commercial products if used in voting machines. Effectively eliminates the use of electronics while at the same time mandating electronics.

8. MUSH LANGUAGE. (Example: "The manufacturer shall provide the appropriate election official with the information necessary for the official to provide the information...")

9. UNREADABLE: People complain about their legislators not reading the bills

-- well the way this is written, it guarantees they won't read it. No Appendix, so sections of the bill require the reader to actually go find a different bill and look up sections in it in order to make sense of the current bill. (example: "Section 301(a)(1) of such Act (42 U.S.C.

15481(a)(1)) is amended (A) in subparagraph (A)(i), by striking "counted"

and inserting "counted, in accordance with paragraphs (2) and (3)");

10. AUDIT PROTOCOLS NO ONE AGREES WITH, even fans of audit solutions

11. LOOPHOLE ALLOWING INTERNET CONNECTIONS for central tabulators and ballot definition software

12. LOOPHOLE ALLOWING MANUAL AUDITS TO BE BYPASSED states with computer-only recount protocols

13. LOOPHOLE ALLOWING MACHINE COUNT TO SUPERCEDE VOTER VERIFIED PAPER when fuzzily described circumstances arise. Los Angeles Registrar Conny McCormack already has tried to co-opt this (Feinstein senate hearing yesterday) into meaning when there is a printer jam damaging the paper, the machine count will trump.

14. SUPPORTS DREs (Touch-screens and other on-screen voting techniques that are NOT recommended by NIST)

This is a devastating development. So many people worked so very hard on this bill, but in the end it isn't about who worked hard. It's about getting it right. We can't afford another set of HAVA problems.

And if it's got this many problems now, just wait until the lobbyists carve it up.

We're going to have to roll up our sleeves to get what CITIZENS want. More action-oriented, solution-focused information to follow. Black Box Voting is working right now with many other group leaders to brainstorm the best way to deal with this.

Bev Harris

Founder - Black Box Voting

# # # # #

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Government is the servant of the people, and not the master of them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. We insist on remaining informed so that we may retain control over the instruments of government we have created.

* * * * *

Black Box Voting is a nonpartisan, nonprofit elections watchdog group supported by citizen donations. The work of Black Box Voting has been featured on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News Network, MSNBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, Time Magazine, and was featured in the recent HBO documentary "Hacking Democracy."

To support Black Box Voting, click to

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/donate.html or send to:

330 SW 43rd St Suite K

PMB 547

Renton WA 98057

Contact information and press kit:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/presskit.html

* * * * *
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:15 AM
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1. Can we please not post Bev's fundraising solicitations here?
k thx
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #1
11. thank you!!...for your post..no solicitations for her here ..please! n/t
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:20 AM
Original message
The OP reads like a Nigerian email scam
"I implore you...for the sake...!"
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #1
16. I thoroughly understand some people's resentment of this
person but I wonder if that means that justifies disregarding any warnings about possible problems with this bill?

I'm not getting into this argument, never have. But I'm just curious since I haven't seen any other posts about the defects of this bill.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #16
24. There are plenty of people with credibility doing real analysis.
I wouldn't trust Bev if she warned that water was wet.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #16
27. There have been many of them in the Election Reform forum.
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 11:29 AM by sfexpat2000
Harris inserts herself to pick our pockets, as the movement's Official Vulture.

/typo
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #16
33. i trust nothing that grifter says..nothing!! she is a detriment to the voting activists
period the end!!

she could say ..the sun is coming up tommorrow and i would not trust one stinking word that grifter says..not one word!!

she is not on our side on this issue..can someone please get that already??????

fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #16
42. i honestly do not think you do understand...please do some research here about the grifter!! n/t
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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #1
21. A STRONG SECOND TO THAT, NO bev solicitations here
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
47. The e-mail was forwarded in its entirety. This is NOT a fund-raising appeal
It's meant to alert people about a bill that has many problems -- the problems cited are in fact issues that several voting issue groups have decided are bad as well.

This is an alert to act on. I'm not asking anyone to write BBV a check!
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:15 AM
Response to Original message
2. uh-oh...
:hangover:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:17 AM
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3. Bev is a well known grifter fer fucks sake! Don't send her a cent....
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #3
30. and we already know how much money she is sitting on of ours ,don't we bettyellen!!
seems it is never enough for that grifter..and it doesn't matter who's blood is spilled for her to get more money from suckers or un-suspecting victims.....to her games..

and she doesn't care who she gets the money from freepers or us..well..it won't be from people on du..so this crap has got to stop here...no solicitations for that grifter here please!!

enough is enough from her and her sock-puppets...she will not get rehabilitated here!!

and that is what this is all about..she is desperately trying to get rehabilitated here..see the rethugs need her for the 2008 election..well not here..she will not be rehabilitated here..

fuck her!

fly
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #30
34. never found out what happened to that video, did you?
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:17 AM
Response to Original message
4. . . .
:popcorn:
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Hey, can I have some of that?
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. Sure...you might need a couple...
:popcorn:
:popcorn:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Somebody needs to make a COSTCO run
We are gonna need a pallet of the stuff ;)
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:17 AM
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5. Since Bev Harris has so much credibility on DU, I'm sure this will be well received.
:rofl:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:17 AM
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6. Bev is not thought well of on DU
It would behoove you to not post her stuff...
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:18 AM
Original message
cool. I get to use these smileys finally
:popcorn: :rofl:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:18 AM
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8. Wasn't Bev Harris and all her fundraising letters banned from DU?
There were even some DUers contemplating legal action against her for alleged scamming.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:18 AM
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9. Bev is Persona non grata here
She helped kill a DUer.
Fuck her.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:19 AM
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10. no money but...
i wiLL send her some cLinton cigars.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. You're mean!
:loveya:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #13
22. and you Love it
:loveya:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #10
36. :)
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:20 AM
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14. sorry. I gave all my $$ to the Mormons
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:21 AM
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17. No. Only a mad hatter would give a shit what she thinks anymore.
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 11:28 AM by greyl
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. link is broken
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #20
28. Thanks, fixed. :) nt
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:21 AM
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18. SEND MONEY TO THE FRAUD
SEND MONEY TO THE FRAUD...SEND MONEY TO THE FRAUD...SEND MONEY TO THE FRAUD...
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:21 AM
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19. Look!
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 11:25 AM by symbolman
IT blends in with SANE people in the hopes of appearing SANE ITSELF..

Fuck Bev Harris and the Trojan Horse she's riding in on.

PS. This is not an attack against the OP, it's all for CrazyKillerFraudWoman..
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. thank you Symbolman..!!...i couldn't say it better!!...n/t
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. My pleasure
God, I think I just threw up some in my mouth when I clicked on the thread, anybody else?

Love back atcha flyarm, and SFexpat!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. IF THAT GRIFTER CARED ABOUT DEMOCRACY SHE WOULDN'T STEAL
FROM DEMOCRATS.

:hi:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #19
32. AMEN!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:30 AM
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29. Not one penny - not one thought!
She has taken enough of our time and energy.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:33 AM
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31. C'mon Bev - haven't you been kicked out of DU enough?
Yet still you come back for more. :eyes: Go peddle your pile of crap elsewhere.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:34 AM
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35. I'd just as soon send money to the Lieberman for Pres. PAC!
Which, of course, ain't gonna happen.

Bake
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
37. wow
after all that I've read about her,the trouble Skinner and the other admins had with her and her being banned from D.U., I am surprised a post in her name is allowed here.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:41 AM
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38. no offense op but Bev Harris can go Cheney herself.
i made the mistake of sending her money before, i should have just put that money on the top of my car and driven away and let it fall on to the street.
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MamaBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:49 AM
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39. Thank you. But no.
Videos from Florida? Conclusive proof to be posted any fucking minute now? FR membership? What happened to all the cash Randi raised for her?

No. Never again. :(
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:50 AM
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40. LOL
Are you new here?

:popcorn:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:50 AM
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41. No.
I will not.

RL
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:53 AM
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43. ...
I'm disgusted that this is on D.U., appalled to see a thread in her name here.I guess I should go ahead and put this thread on ignore because it's only making me angrier every time I see it.

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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. I didn't mean this as a fundraiser -- I just pasted the ALERT from my e-mail
as it came in...

Forget about the donation to BBV -- just read the points and act on it. Work with the other groups if you wish -- that's certainly o.k. with me.

I hope DUers will realize that it's the message that counts here, whether you love Bev or hate her!

Apparently there are many groups that agree that this is a bad bill, as cited in the email.

Many people have worked hard to bring voting problems to the forefront of public discussion -- I'd hate to see the Holt bill get passed if it does indeed create a boondoggle, and turn over our voting system to defense contractors.

Several of the individuals in these groups have personality issues. Kathy Duff irriates the hell out of many of us, and obviously Bev is not popular on DU -- but is there lovability so important in the final analysis?

Both these people, and many others, are at least working hard to get voting integrity in the U.S. Nobody can say that they're not dedicated!

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:55 AM
Response to Original message
44. I don't think I've ever seen a thread on DU
where a consensus was unanimous against something. It's pretty much 100 percent minus the OP.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:02 PM
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45. Thx for the post Aikido. This is a crucial issue, especially right now.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:07 PM
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48. locking....
All requests for fundraising should
be approved by the Administrators.
Please contact them for permission.
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