Seeking advice... The week before... Should we vacate the belly of the Beast for 9/11/07?...

[Kip Humphrey]

A little advice please...

I may be paranoid but events have me nervous. In the last week, we've learned:

• 1200 tomahawk missiles readied for use against Iran
  
• Russia probes NATO borders with bomber squadron
  
• China hacks the Pentagon and British Foreign office
  
• nukes transported to Middle East stagging base in LA via B-52 apparently under orders not relayed via the military chain of command
  
• 3 US nukes (suitcase size - 30"x30"x18"), jettisoned by crashed B52 in 90's, were salvaged and sold to Iran
  
• Mexican trucks pour into US
  
• Announcement that Bin Laddin will speak to the US on Sept. 11 (but video we've seen is released Sept. 7)
  
• Bin Laddin gives US the requisite warning as required in the Koran before an attack on one's enemies
  

It seems clear the world is gearing up for bombing of Iran. China and Russia have acted in ways that suggest they are attempting to discover what is going on. Iran is unlikely to remain passive under such a threat and would be expected to act to counter such a threat. Bin Ladden suddenly shows up with lightly veiled threat he will attack US on Sept. 11th. We 'discover' Iran has 3 US "suitcase size" nukes. Coinciding with the nuclear brinkmanship playing out, the US throws open its borders to unregulated, largely uninspected, foreign trucking.

Question positing that, with a 3 nuke arsonel, NYC, Washington DC and Houston would be likely targets: Should we vacate Houston (belly of the Beast, home to GB#1, center of US oil industry) for Sept. 11th 2007?

or

Should we kick back, pop a beer, and watch the show?

[Roland99]

1. 3 US nukes (suitcase size - 30"x30"x18"), jettisoned by crashed B52 in 90's, were salvaged and sold

never heard this one. What's the scoop?

[Kip Humphrey]

2. links:

DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1755930
Thread source: http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07302005.html

[MuseRider]

3. I say kick back.

Where are you going to go? Everyone everywhere will be affected somehow by any of these things if they happen. For me I would rather go in a big, fast way but then maybe that is just me.

Pop a beer, smoke a joint, whatever does it for you. There is no escaping the insanity that has been unleashed on our planet by BushCo.

"It just goes to show you, it's always something." Roseanne Roseannadanna

On Edit: I realize it is very simplistic to lay this all on the doorstep of BushCo. but they could have stopped or slowed down this current insanity and calamity but instead they pushed it onward.

[nebenaube]

7. no doubt...

I think the nuke store is just a cover story for when we actually nuke ourselves...

[Kip Humphrey]

8. I've no doubt GW would nuke his dad... But poppin' open a Red Stripe right now anyway.

[OneBlueSky]

4. where the hell is the Congress??? . . .

by not acting to stop the impending attack on Iran, they either . . .

- Don't believe it's going to happen . . . in which case they are fools who haven't been paying sufficient attention to what's happening in the world, and particularly to BushCo's intentions and capabilities . . .

- Believe it's going to happen and feel powerless to stop it . . . in which case they haven't read the Constitition re: who has war-making powers, exclusively . . .

- Believe it's going to happen, but fear BushCo too much to stop it . . . in which case they are unpatriotic cowards . . .

- Believe it's going to happen and don't care . . . in which case they are self-serving fools who don't deserve to be in office and should be removed ASAP . . .

whatever the truth, if Congress allows BushCo to attack Iran, they will be just as guilty of the upcoming war crimes and crimes against humanity as Bush, Cheney and company . . . if they will not be part of the solution, then they are most certainly a big, big part of the problem . . .

[spanone]

5. what congress? the legislative branch of our govt. has been neutered.

[nebenaube]

10. I agree and I think I know exactly how they did it...

There is information on the web, albiet at less than credible websites that allude to a cult called "The Finders". The info would be all too easy to dismiss if it wasn't for the fact that I was in Charlottesville when it happened and I remember the story well. Some think the group was a CIA front or a rouge intelligence unit/pedophilia ring.

[Mnemosyne]

17. On the nose. See 'The Franklin Cover-Up'. n/t

[Myrina]

6. Personally, I think the OBL video is a fake ...

... they're resurrecting him as the Boogey Man -- an excuse to get the sheeple in line and complacent for whatever excuse they use to bomb the shit outta Iran in the near future.

As much as the Chinese gov't scares the hell out of me, I sorta hope they do find out WTF is going on and - along with the UN - rescue "us" from the Bush Administration's bomb-happy-insanity.

:scared:

[MorningGlow]

9. They can't manifest another one

Much as they would want to. So now they're reduced to trotting out the smoke and mirrors--look! wayward nukes that may have been on their way somewhere! look! another Bin Laden video! look! a couple of recently foiled "terra-ist plots"! :eyes: What's sad is that people can be manipulated into fear just by the SUGGESTION that something MIGHT happen--so now they don't actually have to have a terra-ist attack. Convenient, really, and much less expensive...

Don't go into fear. Hold your ground and call bullshit. It's what we should all be doing.

[B Calm]

11. I have a sick feeling Bush will start a nuclear war in his goal of

achieving a one world government.

[snappyturtle]

12. As citizens I think we need to consider a few things before deciding

what we would do in uncertain times. Considering *'s latest presidential directives, executive orders, the patriot acts, loss of habeas corpus and posse comitas.....that's it, kick back, pop a beverage of choice and watch the show.

(Wish like minded people could move to one place and tell the rest to do what they want to themselves but,to leave us alone. We'd be better off bartering for each other's goods and services and taking care of each other in times of emergency than what the government would do anyway.)

[Wiley50]

13. Kip, I'm Gonna Re-Post Here What I Came Up With In Another thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1761388#1762099

I'm Prone To Believe That Dr Salla's Premise Is Spot On, But His Conclusion Wishful Thinking

One thing Mr Cheney has proven to be ( other than pure evil) is determined.

I don't think this minor glitch will stop anything.

Remember, the first objective of his plan was successful regardless of exposure,

They wanted the nukes in Barksdale for staging. They are now in Barksdale.

My guess is that the domestic stand down on the 14th has a nefarious purpose also.

Having all of our domestic fighters on stand down would be very convenient for a false flag attack in US.

We could well wake up on the 15th to a press conference announcing that we have attacked Iran in response.

Martial law could very well be declared at the very time we have a massive protest in DC,

leading to mass arrests of their most dedicated opposition when it is most concentrated.

I don't think anything has been stopped by this leak, after the 15th, it becomes quickly moot and forgotten.

Unfortunately, at this point, I don't see any way it could be stopped.

It's been nice knowing all of you folks.

[Kip Humphrey]

14. Whiley, I concur: there's absolutely NOTHING to stop the nuclear brinkmanship though I still think

another domestic attack is necessary to solidify public support (read: public manipulation) for marshall law and executing a nuclear war. Scenario:

Sept. 11th - three dirty bombs go off inside US.
Sept. 12th - Bush executes executive order, declaring marshall law.
Sept. 15th - Anti-war activists rounded up
Sept. 16th - Bush 'retaliates' by nuking Iran claiming their involvement
Sept. 17th - Job completed, Cheney resigns for "health" reasons if he wasn't taken out by Sept. 11 attack (had to throw this one in!)

and life goes on...

[Wiley50]

15. OK, It's a Bet! You Say 11th, I say 14th for False Flag Attack

I don't see it spread out that far. All articles say everything is already in place

for an Iran attack within hours. Everything but the nukes they needed

They have them in Barksdale now.

I'm expecting an attack on 14th similar to 9/11/01, only much bigger.

It turns out that there is a feature built into the flight computers of all 757/767

It called "Home Run" and allows for remote control of these planes in case of hijack

I think that is what happened back then and i expect maybe 20-30 planes this time, instead of four.

Also, I think you're safe in Houston. Remember, those oil execs are their co-conspirators

They have been all along, at least since Cheney's Energy meetings in early '01

( Although I do wonder about Putin's new bomber patrols)

I think they'll hit the bluest cities in the US

So, what would be good to bet?

Can't think of anything meaningful after this happens, the dollar will drop like a rock

[Kip Humphrey]

16. How about: you win, I send you the complete works of Greg Palast; I win,

...Hey, wait a minute! If I win and stay in Houston, I could be dead... I need to rethink this bet...

[Wiley50]

18. Man, I Sure Wish I Had Been Able To Get This Sailboat Back In The Water

if not completely out of this country by now.

I just couldn't come up with the money.

So, here I sit on a trailer, on a farm, 40 miles east of Nashville

Although, the closest strategic targets are Ft Campbell (150 miles away)

and the Tullahoma weapons research center (between here and Chatanooga, maybe just a bit closer)

Don't think they'll hit Nashville

Too red and the chimp loves country music

[Kip Humphrey]

19. What happened to the boat?

[Wiley50]

20. I'm Here. I still live in it. Posting from my V-berth as we speak..

Just need to get on bottom paint and hook all of the electronics back up

But then I've got to hire a Travel Lift and crane to put my mast back up

and drop her back in the water, and that's big money when you live on SSI

I can go into the river here and float down into the gulf at Mobile Bay.

Even with my disability, I can still handle the boat, as long as I have my pain meds.

That's the other rub, I've got to see my doctor every 30 days to stay on them.

Fuck the DEA and the war on drugs!

I'd have been in Belize a years ago except for the above

[warren pease]

23. Portland, SF, Seattle...

...and any other blue state big city that comes to mind. Salla's argument is compelling and I can't find anything to dispute in your sets of points in your various posts here. The 9/14 stand-down is particularly interesting in light of the 9/11/01 NORAD "exercise."

But I think your timing's off a bit. I'm betting on October 15 because of this (from a press release from USNORTHCOM describing Vigilant Shield 08):


North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command along with U.S. Pacific Command, the Department of Homeland Security as well as local, state and other federal responders will exercise their response abilities against a variety of potential threats during Exercise Vigilant Shield ‘08, a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff-designated, North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM)-sponsored, and U.S. Joint Forces Command-supported Department of Defense exercise for homeland defense and defense support of civil authorities missions.

VS-08 will be conducted concurrent with Top Officials 4 (TOPOFF 4), the nation’s premier exercise of terrorism preparedness sponsored by the Department of Homeland Security, and several other linked exercises as part of the National Level Exercise 1-08. These linked exercises will take place October 15-20 and are being conducted throughout the United States and in conjunction with several partner nations including Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, as well as the Territory of Guam.

VS-08 and National Level Exercise 1-08 will provide local, state, tribal, interagency, Department of Defense, and non-governmental organizations and agencies involved in homeland security and homeland defense the opportunity to participate in a full range of exercise scenarios that will better prepare participants to prevent and respond to national crises. The participating organizations will conduct a multi-layered, civilian-led response to a national crisis...

Full article here: http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=4185


What first got my attention was a so called disaster scenario training exercise dubbed Operation Noble Resolve that the feds ran in Portland and about six other places (including Guam) the week of Aug. 20. This created quite a stir in Portland Indymedia and elsewhere, with of course nary a discouraging word in the paper of record, the Whoregonian. The Oregon Truth Alliance sent Congressman Peter DeFazio an open letter asking him to look into Noble Resolve and TopOFF, and asking specific questions, such as:

* what will be the precipitating event?
* will there be enhanced police presence?
* will the National Guard be involved?
* will there be contractors involved (e.g., Blackwater)?
* and will either or both drills involve rehearsals of local and federal response to a “catastrophic emergency,” as defined under NSPD 51, up to and including the declaration of martial law?

DeFazio, of course, hasn't replied.

So...We've already had a training exercise to prepare for the really big training exercise; we've got Chertoff's gut rumbling about a terraist attack, along with several highly placed GOPers and their media mouthpieces openly wishing for another 9/11 to save what's left of the party; we've got sabers rattling over Iran; we're out of troops, so an attack on Iran has to be from the air; we've been told their nukulur facilities are underground or attack-hardened and therefore we may need to use tactical nukes to take them out; now we've got five hijacked nukes ticketed (maybe) for the Gulf and an extra one for home use; we've got Vigilant Shield/TopOFF coming up in about a month; we've got NSPD 51 and HSPD 20; we've got the asset seizure executive order; we've got the Military Commissions Act, which killed due process and voided the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act so federal troops can legally engage in law enforcement on US soil; we've got two incidents of phony exercises suddenly going "live" -- 9/11/01 and the 7/7/05 London train bombings (and probably the 2004 Madrid train bombings as well); and we've got sociopaths running the executive branch. Sound like a bit of a problem to anyone?


wp


And some good links:

Re the Military Commissions Act: http://tinyurl.com/ynaedj

Re Noble Resolve in Portland: http://tinyurl.com/2ubp46

Re TopOFF in October: http://tinyurl.com/382zye

Re NSPD 51 & HSPD 20: http://progressive.org/mag_wx051807

Re asset seizure exec order: http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=172&a=2839

[MiniMe]

21. I live in the DC area, and work in DC. Watched the smoke from the Pentagon.

Any suggestions?

[sofa king]

22. My advice.

Just as there is no way to accurately predict where lightning is going to strike, there is no way to predict where an actual* terrorist attack is going to happen. So don't worry about it.

The point of terrorism is to sow fear and attempt to disrupt the everyday life of people. One great way to resist the power of actual* terrorism is to prove that the power of decency is stronger. So go out and have a nice day.

Which brings us to the asterisk:

* I'm a lot less worried about a bunch of nightgown wearing rednecks attacking me than I am about the Cheney administration propagating a false-flag terrorist attack against me. In that case, the attack will have many self-serving purposes. Among them will be:

* Harming, frightening, and changing the opinion of the political opposition;
* Destroying documentation of past crimes;
* Minimizing damage to conservative assets;
* Creating a climate which better allows for totalitarianism.

With those objectives in mind, the obvious target is the Capitol and Congressional offices in DC, particularly the Senate Hart and Dirksen buildings (which, surely by coincidence, was also the target of the 2001 anthrax attacks). You can be certain that any Cheney-perpetrated attack will have a blast radius small enough to avoid destroying the executive branch offices and the White House, so just stay about 700 yards away from the Capitol and you should be fine.

A secondary--and far less likely--consideration might be to stay away from any mass demonstrations scheduled for that day in any major urban area, because all urban areas are liberal bastions. San Francisco seems an obvious choice, as does New York City.

Houston, on the other hand, is the place I'd go on vacation if I still lived in DC. Among other things, Halliburton still hasn't cleaned out its offices there while they're busy sneaking off to Dubai with all our money.