Hey.. A question. Any DU Bible readers here tonight?

[lonestarnot]

I want to know where in the Bible, and I have looked but can't find it and know it's there, where it says the stuff about the seasons will change. Winter will become summer, when it should be winter, and summer will become winter when it should really be summer. And I can take flame. Yeah I read it. SO!

[lonestarnot]

1. kick

[achtung_circus]

2. Not this?

And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

[lonestarnot]

4. No. It's in someone's vision of end times. I've looked in Revelation,

but am unable to find it there thus far. I've tried Daniel to, but haven't found it there either.

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. I don't think that's Biblical. I can't find anything

There's Ecclesiastes 3, about "for everything there is a season", but nothing about summer turning into winter and winter into summer.

[lonestarnot]

5. Nope, and yes it is. I've read it.

[Rabrrrrrr]

9. I'll be very curious if anyone can find it.

I concentrated in biblical studies in grad school, and it ain't ringing a bell with me.

Sounds more like something from an apocryphal book, like Enoch, or maybe even something from the Apocrypha itself, which I've not studied, but which are not part of the Bible (though to Catholics those books are part of the Bible).

[lonestarnot]

13. Nope, I have read any of those texts. It's part of the Bible somewhere.

I quoted it in a project, I know it's there.

[Rabrrrrrr]

29. Can't you look in your project?

[lonestarnot]

39. That is way long gone. Wish I had saved some of it.

[lonestarnot]

7. Do you have a bible on a disc?

[Rabrrrrrr]

12. Yes, I do - I could never have searched that quickly otherwise!

I searched on winter, summer, season, and seasons. Came up empty.

[lonestarnot]

15. I've looked in my book's index and word deal (whatever it's called)

and am also unable to locate it. Try end vision search.

[Rabrrrrrr]

20. I think you are thinking of a concordance.

:D

My bible software can only search on words and phrases (phrases actually in the Bible, not phrases as concepts), so I can't search on something like "end vision".

[lonestarnot]

22. Shoot yeah concordance.

[Generic Brad]

6. The Book of Psalms

There is a season. Turn. Turn.

No, I do not not know the chapter and verse.

[lonestarnot]

8. Nope, that's not the one.

[Horse with no Name]

10. I read it too

:)
Amos 14 "On the day I punish Israel for her sins,
I will destroy the altars of Bethel;
the horns of the altar will be cut off
and fall to the ground.

15 I will tear down the winter house
along with the summer house;
the houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed
and the mansions will be demolished,"
declares the LORD.

On edit:
This is the King James Version of it:
And I will smite the winter house with the summer house; and the houses of ivory shall perish, and the great houses shall have an end, saith the LORD.

[lonestarnot]

21. Yes, we are getting closer.

[Rue]

11. If I'm not mistaken . . .

That passage is from Ecclesiastes.

[lonestarnot]

16. Yes! Where please share, or I will be reading the entire book!

[Horse with no Name]

24. Ecclesiastes

Ecclesiastes 3

1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

10I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

12I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

13And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

[lonestarnot]

55. Still not what I am looking for, but I will find it, and when I do, I will share.

[Clark2008]

14. There's the missing day story.

Can you be a little more specific?

I'll try to help you out.

[lonestarnot]

17. I can't tell you any more than is already on this thread.

I believe it was in a vision passage. Someone has mentioned Ecclesiastes

[Lydia Leftcoast]

18. What you need is a concordance

I don't have one, but my father, a Lutheran pastor, did.

It tells you where every nearly every word in the Bible can be found.

[lonestarnot]

23. Have one and have looked, nothing.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

40. Then it probably isn't in the Bible

:shrug:

[lonestarnot]

56. It is there as certainly as I am sitting at this stupid box.

[XemaSab]

19. Here's something

http://www.seekingtruth.co.uk/weather.htm

[lonestarnot]

27. This is close too, but not quite the one I am looking for, still looking.

'While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease' (Gen 8.22).

[XemaSab]

28. Here's more

http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p050701.htm

[lonestarnot]

35. Interesting, but still not what I'm trying to find. Still looking.

[54anickel]

25. Try this online Bible, though I could only find 5 verses with the words summer and winter in them

nothing that matches what you're looking for.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=winter%20summer&version1=31&searchtype=all

[lonestarnot]

30. WOW! That is a cool link! Thanks!

Still looking.

[Richard Steele]

62. You beat me to it! Bible-Gateway-dot-com is an AWESOME resource. I use it often.

[Igel]

26. self-delete

[blondeatlast]

31. I see you found it, nevertheless, here's a great online source for

"Google"-type concordance; very searchable:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html

[lonestarnot]

36. Nope still haven't found it. Still reading.

Cool for the link. Thanks blondeatlast! :hug:

[lonestarnot]

37. Ooops/slow posting/dupe.

[Dover]

32. As long as there is an earth, and man upon it, there shall be summer and winter...

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GSB: 8:22 While the earth remaineth, {l} seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
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(l) The order of nature destroyed by the flood, is restored by God's promise.


KJV 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

[lonestarnot]

43. Close but no cigar. Still looking.

[lynne]

33. SEARCH >>> WWW.BIBLEGATEWAY.COM

You can search by topic, word or Bible chapter and you can search various versions.

[Clark2008]

34. Isaiah?

1. Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty, He makes it waste, and turns it upside down, and scatters abroad its inhabitants.

Verse 1: This chapter makes a turn in a direction that is not followed in any other Old Testament book with the exception of short portions of Job. The end of the world and the conditions immediately leading up to the end of the world is described. These events are: the resurrection of the dead and the general judgement at the end of time. The Douay and Ryrie Bible call it "Isaiah's Apocalypse" Rawlinson calls it "God's general judgement upon the earth." The Amplified Bible calls it the "end of all things." The section introduced will include not just the events imminent to the end of the earthly system but the consummation of the purpose of the establishment of the church or Zion in the days of the first advent of Jesus and the description of the break up of the physical system followed by the judgement, not only of humanity but of the powers in the heavens of whom we know very little. This is followed in the ensuing chapters by a description of the rewards of the saints interspersed with justification for accepting the miseries of this life with peace of mind because the outcome is sure for those who trust in him. This section includes chapters 24 - 27.

2 And it shall be, that as it is with the people, so with the priest; as it is with the servant, so with his master; as it is with the maid, so with her mistress; as it is with the buyer, so with the seller; as it is with the lender, so with the borrower; as it is with the taker of usury, so with the payer of usury to him.

Verse 2: All classes: all classes are to experience this coming physical calamity thus describing the universal nature of the end of the world events.

3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD has spoken this word. 4 The earth mourns and fades away, the world languishes and fades away, the haughty people of the earth languish.

Verses 3 and 4: A Protracted calamity. Intensifying Hebrew idioms are used in each of the descriptive events in these two verses not just in the words emptied and spoiled. The mourning, fading and languishing are also intensified in the text. Not only the earth itself but the "world" as the world system meaning the whole of human interaction in trade, travel, communication, arts, sciences and technology; all are to be brought to a withering before the end. It is the word "languish" or "wither" that carries the idea of the events being a protracted calamity and not an event of a moment of time.

5 The earth also is defiled through its inhabitants; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore has cursing devoured the earth, and they that dwell in it are at fault: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. 7 The new wine mourns, the vine languishes, all the merry hearted sigh. 8 The mirth of tabrets ceases, the noise of them that rejoice ends, the joy of the harp ceases. 9 They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it. 10 The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, so that no man may come in. 11 There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone. 12 Desolation is left in the city and the gate is struck with destruction.

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/isa24-26.htm

[Bluebear]

38. "And winter shall be where spring should be;and all of the seasons shall be in opposition"

Oops, sorry, not the Bible, just made that up. :)

[The Straight Story]

42. Bluebear 10:2, "and the lord looketh down and smiteth Bluebears enemies"

So...how about a nice glass of wine. I got some water if you got the Jesus.

[lonestarnot]

48. LOL

[lonestarnot]

44. Turkey!

[Dover]

46. LOL!....apparently one of the 'lost' bears....er....books.

...

[Perky]

41. Sounds vaguely like Ecclesiateds but

try Biblegateway.com

[The Straight Story]

45. Here might be something:

Da 2:21 - Show Context
He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.

[lonestarnot]

49. Close, getting warmer!

[Ilsa]

47. The Revelation of John? What you said sounds apocalyptic. nt

[lonestarnot]

50. It is in an apocalyptic context.

[bonito]

51. One thing

It doesn't really matter.

[lonestarnot]

53. It certainly is not an excuse to do nothing!

[The Straight Story]

52. getting warmer...

The Bible clearly predicts a day when 1) loathsome and malignant skin sores will break out on much of the populace, 2) the planet will become scorchingly hot, 3) violent storms will strike with unrelenting frequency, 4) the light of the sun, moon, and stars will be noticeably dimmed over some places, and 5) grain supplies will drop catastrophically (Rev. 16:2, 16:8-9, 16:21, Luke 21:25-26, Rev. 16:10, 8:12, 6:5-8). The prophet Isaiah puts the blame squarely on man’s shoulders. He declared that a day would come when man’s greed and foolishness would grow so far out of control that man would literally pollute himself and his environment to death (Isaiah 24).

http://www.reasons.org/resources/faf/1988_v2n4_q4/index.shtml

[lonestarnot]

54. Yes. This was in my project.

[Dover]

57. How about Pre-Biblical earth changes indicators?

In the Book of Asclepius (or Imhotep), Hermes related this foreboding tale to his apprentice Imhotep, whom hermes declared was like the Sun:

It befits the wise to know all things in advance, of this you must not remain ignorant: a time will come when...divinity will return from earth to heaven...O Egypt, Egypt, of your reverent deeds only stories will survive, and they will be incredible to your children! Only words cut in stone will survive to tell your faithful works, and the Scythian or some such neighbor barbarian will dwell in Egypt. for divinity goes back to heaven, and all people will die, deserted as Egypt will be widowed and deserted by god and human....Whoever survives will be recognized as Egyptian only by his language; in his actions he will seem a foreigner.
Imhotep, why do you weep? Egypt herself will be persuaded to deeds much wickeder than these, and she will be steeped in evils far worse. A land once holy, most loving of divinity, by reason of her reverence the only land on earth where the gods settled, she who taught holiness and fidelity will be an example of utter unbelief.

In their weariness the people of that time will find the world nothing to wonder at or to worship...People will find it oppressive and scorn it. They will not cherish this entire world, a work of god beyond compare...They will prefer shadows to light, and they will find death more expedient than life. No one will look up to heaven. The reverent will be thought mad, the irreverent wise; the lunatic will be thought brave, and the scoundrel will be taken as a decent person. Soul and all teachings about soul )that soul began as immortal and expects to attain immortality) as I revealed them to you will be considered not simply laughable but even illusory...They will establish new laws, new justice. Nothing holy, nothing reverent nor worthy of heaven or heavenly beings will be heard of or believed in the mind.

They will be driven to every outrageous crime - war, looting, trickery, and all that is contrary to the nature of souls...When all this comes to pass Asclepius (Imhotep), ten the master and father, the god whose power is primary...will take a stand against the vices and the perversion in everything, righting wrongs, washing away malice in a flood or consuming it in fire or ending it by spreading pestilential disease everywhere. Then he will restore the world to its beauty of old so that the world itself will again seem deserving of worship and wonder.

--
As our current cycle progresses, in keeping with the dictates of the Manvantara, there will be sudden diverse changes in our environment, as well as in the evolution of human consciousness. The Manvantara reflects that within the dominant cycles of the Earth are smaller ones, which are also indicative of transformation. Smaller cycles appear in Kali Yuga, which elevate humaninty to more ethical plateaus of sociocultural understanding and interaction. Such periods may endure for several millennia gradually deteriorating as the darkness of the Kali Yuga once more engulfs the human race. Though the general condition of the race worsens, what was achieved in these more enlightened cycles is retained by various groups, which towards the end of the Yuga, will survive and start anew as they enter a different age.

the Kali Yuga, which began in 3102 B.C.E., just completed its first minor cycles in 1898, almost on hundred years ago. The Manvantara informs us that we are now in a stage of transition to a new minor cycle, due at the beginning of the 21st Century. The manvantara decrees that it is within this period of transition that telluric changes, such as severe seismographic activity, may occur on a global scale, along with radical deviations in Earth's weather patterns. We may also experience an elevation of consciousness through spiritual awareness, bonding the human family together on levels yet unexplored.

_________________

In the British Museum, there is a document written by the Mayans of the Yucatan, known as the Troano Manuscript. Dated circa 650 C.E., this manuscript was discovered and translated by one of the first European archaeologists to decipher the Mayan glyphs, Augustus Le Plongeon. It too speaks of a disaster of global proportions:

In the year six Kan, on the eleventh Mulac in the month Zac, there occurred terrible earthquakes which continued without interruption for thirteen Chuen. The country of the "hills of mud" the land of Mu, was sacrificed. Being twice upheaved, it suddenly disappeared during one night, the basin being continually shaken by volcanic forces. Being confined, these caused the land to sink and to rise several times in various places. At last the surface gave way and ten countries were torn asunder and scattered. Unable to stand the force of the convulsions, they sank with their sixty-four million inhabitants.

There can be no doubt that this account is a recapitulation of an earlier incident passed on to them from earlier civilizations that flourished in the region long before the Maya.

In examining stories and legends of tremendous telluric disasters, one cannot help by wonder if there is scientific evidence that points to the possibility of such changes having taken place.

..snip..

All current geophysical theories regarding the phenomenon of polar reversal are based on the research of Dr. Charles Hutchins Hapgood....So profound were the scientific theories of pole reversal by Hapgood, that he eventually drew the attention of one Albert Einstein. Fascinated by Hapgood's calculations regarding the subject, Einstein was impelled to write the foreward to Hapgood's book, Earth's Shifting Crust. Hapgood's calculations led him to believe that the last polar shift was between 17,000 and 12,000 years ago and that the North Pole would have been in the Hudson Bay area of Canada. Scientists would like to think the process of polar shifting is a gradual one, but at this time, they may only speculate, and their speculative approach is filled with error. Let us not forget that several mammoths discovered frozen solid on the tundras of n.e. Siberia. These animals were so well preserved that the sled doggs consumed their flesh without incident. Inthe stomachs of these mammoths and between their teeth was undigested grass and leaves. When the vegetable matter in their stomachs was analyzed to determine the species of plant, it was discovered that the plants did not grow in the regions where the animals died, but far to the south, as much as a thousand miles away. This clearly shows that the shifting of Earth's poles was amazingly sudden and rapid, for if the animals had not been frozen as soon as they died, there would be evidence of decomposition.


During the last several years, there have been countless individuals in the scientific community who have tried to predict catastrophic/transformative events. One of the most famous of these predictions came in the mid 1970s from two scientists, John R. Gibbon and Stephen h. Plagemann, in a book entitled, The Jupiter Effect. The book was a countdown to a 1984 doomsday that was to be characterized by massive earthquakes, tidal waves, changes in Earth's atmosphere, and a gradual slowing of Earth's axial rotation, and was to be caused by the alignment of several planets perpendicular to the Sun.

Needless to say, none of these events materialized and both scientists were labeled as frauds. However, that such a doomsday event is plausible is found in the commentary of both Herodotus and Plato. Herodotus, one of the more inquisitive Greeks, who ventured into Egypt in the 5th C. B.C.E., discovered through conversations with an Egyptian priest that "four times in this period (so they told me) the sun rose contrary to his wont; twice he rose where he now sets, and twice he set where he now rises." Plato, in his dialogue Politicus or The Statesman, wrote:


"I mean the change in the rising and the setting of the sun and the other heavenly bodies, how in those times they used to set in the quarter where they now rise, and used to rise where they now set...At present periods the universe has its present circular motion, and at other periods it revolves in the reverse direction...the motion of the earth is changed by 'blocking of the course' and goes through 'shaking of revolutions' with 'disruptures of every possible kind', so that the position of the earth became at one time reversed, at another oblique, and again upside down, and it wandered 'every way in all six directions. Of all the changes that take place in the heavens this reversal is the greatest and most complete."

___________________________________________________________

from Ancient Future - The Teachings and Prophetic Wisdom of the Seven Hermetic Laws of Ancient Egypt (by Wayne B. Chandler).

[blonndee]

58. Is this it?

It's not from the Bible but from the apocryphal Book of Enoch:

2. And in the days of the sinners the years shall be shortened,
And their seed shall be tardy on their lands and fields,
And all things on the earth shall alter,
And shall not appear in their time:
And the rain shall be kept back
And the heaven shall withhold (it).

3. And in those times the fruits of the earth shall be backward,
And shall not grow in their time,
And the fruits of the trees shall be withheld in their time.

4. And the moon shall alter her order,
And not appear at her time.
5.
And shall shine more brightly than accords with the order of light.

6. And many chiefs of the stars shall transgress the order (prescribed).
And these shall alter their orbits and tasks,
And not appear at the seasons prescribed to them.

7. And the whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners,
And the thoughts of those on the earth shall err concerning them,
,
Yea, they shall err and take them to be gods.

8. And evil shall be multiplied upon them,
And punishment shall come upon them So as to destroy all.'

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe083.htm

[The Straight Story]

63. no fair looking in the Apocrypha :) (nt)

[blonndee]

65. But this does sound like what she's looking for, right?

I wrote a little paper on I Enoch about 5 years ago and thought that might be why the ideas in the OP sounded so familiar.

I'm anxiously awaiting...I really hope this is it. It's driving me crazy wanting to know because I CANNOT find it anywhere in the Bible. :hi:

[The Straight Story]

70. Well knock me down

I don't often get to talk to people who have read much of the apocrypha :)

You can DL all the books at project Gutenberg. I think it was the epistle of Barnabas that stated that the world would last 6000 years, 4000 up to christ and 2000 after.

[blonndee]

73. Well, I haven't read much

but for one of my prophecy classes we had to write a paper about an extracanonical text. Thanks for the info. I think I'll look into the Barnabas epistle first.

[lonestarnot]

64. Nope as I have never read the apocryphal Book of Enoch.

I'm still looking.

[blonndee]

67. Darn! I was sure that was it. It sounds just like what you said.

Oh well. Good luck! Have you read any of the apocrypha, or are you 100% certain it's in the protestant Bible? I'm going to keep looking for you.

[lonestarnot]

79. You are right that it sounds exactly like what I was saying, but

nope, I am certain that I read it in the Bible. I am getting sleepy from all of the reading. LOL. Up late last night, up early this a.m. I think I need my blankie.

[karmaqueen]

59. I think this may be what you are looking for.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20030317.htm


This has all the things Jesus said about the end of times.

[lonestarnot]

66. I'm looking. May take me a while.

[lonestarnot]

71. I was looking for this the other day.

For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Lo, I have told you beforehand."
Thanks.

[Blue_In_AK]

60. If it's not Revelations, it could be in Daniel somewhere. n/t

[The Straight Story]

61. Well, I'll tell ya

I have studied the bible for a lot of years (almost went into the ministry myself, go figure).

I don't recall that exact wording, but I roughly recall signs of such things in trees or something getting a slight mention. I may well be wrong of course, been awhile :)

There could some discussion around this with the fig tree Jesus cursed (symbolism and all) for not having figs, even though it was not in season. It died btw :) But the order of events points more towards the corruption of the temple to where he was headed (and a lot more deep stuff....)

Mark 11:12-26

I will look while I am waiting on midnight to roll around, then I have to turn my chair 30 degrees and work on some coding for work. That is about the extent of my exercise :)

[lonestarnot]

68. Thanks Straight Story. I am obsessing. A woman on a mission.

Rugh ro!

[donco6]

69. I used to be a Fundie, and I don't recognize that at all.

There are passages about valleys becoming mountains and vice versa. But not about seasons changing. Sorry.

[Raksha]

72. I believe it's in the Book of Daniel.

I can't remember the exact quotation, but "changing the times and seasons" refers to changing the established dates for festivals. The passage has been given some very bizarre interpretations by Christian fundamentalists, especailly the wacko millennialists. The Seventh-Day Adventists interpret it as changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, which they regard as a sacrilege and sure sign of the Antichrist (who they identify as the Pope).

[lonestarnot]

76. Maybe. I am going to look there again now.

[The Straight Story]

74. He is something on the right track:

Isaiah 24

19 The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is thoroughly shaken. 20 The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. 21 In that day the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the kings on the earth below. 22 They will be herded together like prisoners bound in a dungeon; they will be shut up in prison and be punished after many days. 23 The moon will be abashed, the sun ashamed; for the Lord Almighty will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders, gloriously.

Based many think on the earth's spin/orbit/whatever changing.

[lonestarnot]

75. Yes, that is close also.

The moon will be abashed, the sun ashamed;

[doublethink]

80. blood, fire and pillars of smoke?

:shrug: try the book of Joel, it's only like 3 chapters but it has a lot of that in there. And as far as the quote on change of seasons in Daniel all I can think of is Daniel 2-21

"21": And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: -snip-

But it seems to be saying the almighty has the capability of changing the seasons whenever and really has nothing to do with any prophetic stuff your looking for? Sure your not thinking of the scriptures of the sun going down at mid-day, um ... waves roaring, um hmmmmmm change in seasons huh? .... hmmm just got in and ran across your thread tonight. Will give it some thought, maybe it will come to me. I know a lot of what is in this thread ties in with what your looking for. You sure it isn't a combination of all the scriptures presented so far by the other Du'ers?

[Atman]

77. Is the "DU Bible" closer to the King James version or the "The Book?"

Not that I've ever been able to make it all the way through either of them. I find myself skipping around alot, they tell me it's adult ADD.




:hi:



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[lonestarnot]

78. What's the DU Bible?