Oy Fucking Vey !!! - Regarding Joe Lieberman, According To Joe Klein...

[WillyT]

on the "Tell Me Something I Don't Know" segment of The Chris Matthews show this weekend.

Something to the effect that the Senate Democrats are getting fed up and mad as Hell with Lieberman, and Lieberman is feeling pretty much the same way.

Klein says that it's sounding like a party switch is in the offing.

My hatred of Lieberman is about a category F5 right now!

:nuke::nuke::nuke:

Anybody got a clip of this, or know where to get one???

:banghead:

[BlooInBloo]

1. God I've never loved the good voters of Connecticut more than right this second. NOT!

[MrSlayer]

2. Lieberman is a flat out scumbag.

The lowest of the low.

[judaspriestess]

3. Good going Connecticut

very ala Texas and Florida.

[bdrube]

4. It might actually HELP the Dems if he switched.

At least that way you'd stop hearing that BOTH parties are to
blame for the inability of the Senate to pass a resolution on
the war.  

[Rose Siding]

16. How does handing the Senate's agenda to Frist's rubber stampers help?

Both parties aren't to blame for the lack of a resolution, so whoever's lying about that will still be able to lie about other things.

Joe's an asshole but he has dems by the short hairs.

[frogcycle]

24. calm down, take a deep breath

he can change parties and it changes nothing. The leadership was set at the beginning of the session. all the committee chairmen remain, and harry reid stays the leader. since liebermann will vote however he wants anyway, and it takes 60 to actually accomplish anything, his party declaration means nada for this session.

so fuck him and the horse he rode in on


I am not sure about next year. but that is a year away, and someone could die before then and cause another change anyway. joe schmo can go shit in his hat.

[Rose Siding]

27. Was the leadership also set at the beginning of the session when Jeffords jumped?

Incidentally, I'm sure you didn't mean "calm down, take a deep breath" to be patronizing, but fyi, that's how it comes off. :hi:

[frogcycle]

28. no, i didn't - sorry

meant not to be patronizing, but reassuring

just saying lieberboy doesn't have the dems by the short ones, not to worry. he's loving every minute of thinking he is the grandest tiger in the jungle and getting folks stirred up over "what's he gonna do?" he doesn't deserve the time of day - the lowlife

[charlie]

31. So, what's to stop the Repubs

from calling for a leadership vote? It would effectively be where they were at the beginning of 2001. It's also what we did in the summer of the same year. Joe would have to be even more perverse than he already is to switch parties and not vote for leadership positions for his side.

Even if they didn't, Cheney would be the 51st senator in party-line votes, which is bad enough.

[frogcycle]

32. but party-line votes are not the issue

anything important will take 60 votes, as was demonstrated last week

as to calling for a leadership vote - maybe i'm wrong, but i have read several times that is a non-issue

[charlie]

35. Anything important?

It forces us to measure the importance of issues against the practical utility of a filibuster, which is where you want the other side to be, not us.

[KharmaTrain]

61. Liebermann Party Of One...Liebermann Party of One

People here obsess about this moron for no reason. The most important vote Joe cast was for Harry Reid as Senate Leader. Since then and until further notice, he has little affect on anything the Democrats can or will do.

People here are quick to jump on Joe for his war stand (and I'm with ya there), but Hagel and his anti-war stance negates any "Joementum" on the issue. He's also screwed people over with his mishandling of the Katrina situation...and thus has very little trust now on either side of the aisle.

I hope Joe joins his Repugnican bretheren...but he won't...cause he knows he has even less influence in that mess than he does with the Democrats. He'd easily be bucked down to a back bencher with little to no seniority...with the Democrats, he's tried to leverage his vote and some on our side continue to pay attention to him. That won't happen is he became a Repugnican.

If Joe wanted to switch parties, the best time for him to have done so was last year. Maybe he will when he becomes McCain running mate (his wet dream).

We're already seeing that the Senate is going to be a worthless piece of real estate until we get at least 55 Democrats...for results Democrats will have to look and rely upon our control of the House.

[Contrite]

5. Why do people vote for the incumbent

without even LOOKING at their record?

I mean, WHY VOTE AT ALL if you are not even aware of the background of the person for whom you are voting?

[Bitwit1234]

6. And have you noticed

That whenever there is a statement required on what the DEMOCRATS might do on a subject CNN says ''''according to Senator Joe Liberman'''' what in the hell makes him an expert. And I hope the stripe the numbnuts of his chairmanship.

[Tin Man]

7. For all practical purposes, it's already happened.

QuidProJoe is Dubya's stooge.
Let's just sign the papers and make it official.

[charlie]

8. The model DLCer

He'll be the second DLC chair to wander off into the arms of the Republican right, blaming Democrats for his reactionary inclinations. His predecessor, Michael Steinhardt, quit his post because he was disgusted that Bill Clinton turned out to be... take a breath... so "ultra-left."

[Mojambo]

9. A party switch? He's not a Democrat.

So he goes from Independent to Republican.

Fuck him. He'll be in a huge minority after 08 anyway.

[Atman]

10. PISS OFF all of you blaming "THE VOTERS OF CT"

We fucking hate him. WE VOTED HIS ASS OUT. Please direct your ire where it belongs, to the REPUBLIC voters of CT, and the national party which poured its money into his campaign, and to the people who refused to investigate all of his campaign improprieties for fear of losing his vote. But most of all, BLAME JOE FOR BEING A SELFISH, SOUL-LESS, WHINY-ASSED SPOILSPORT WHO REFUSES TO PLAY BY THE RULES. (Hmm...no wonder he and George are so smitten with each other!)

.

[BlooInBloo]

12. LOL! Like voter, like Senator.

[Atman]

13. If you just said what I think you said...

...then I can't respond, because I'll get tombstoned.

.

[BlooInBloo]

15. That depends almost entirely on what you think I said.

[Atman]

18. Sounded like laying another slap on top of the slap

:shrug:

I am "a voter of CT." And I wouldn't piss on Joe's head if his hair was on fire.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Ah.

[JeffR]

17. Hope I'm reading this wrong, too

Because if I'm not, your comment is way beyond the pale. Like I said, hope I'm mistaken.

[Atman]

21. I guess we were right, Jeff

Bloo, I guess you'll happily take ownership for every vile thing any politician from YOUR state has done, right?

.

[JeffR]

22. I'm still shaking my head about it. Can't quite believe Bloo posted this.

or that it was intended to mean what it appears to mean.

DU has been in some kind of alternate reality recently, I swear.

[Zhade]

40. Haven't you seen bib's anti-gay posts?

Very telling.

[Name removed]

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[JeffR]

46. Actually, I haven't

I think of Bloo as a sharp-tongued, funny person. If there really have been anti-gay posts, I don't want to read them; I'm disillusioned enough with the state of things these days.

[BlooInBloo]

55. She/he's making shit up. Feel free to look.

[JeffR]

57. Not gonna look.

:P

[BlooInBloo]

59. (shrug) Okie.

[JeffR]

60. Shoulda edited

Not gonna look, because I believe I wouldn't find anything.

[BlooInBloo]

42. Connecticut voters elected lieberman, Connecticut voters catch shit for it....

... and now, Connecticut voters yell at OTHER PEOPLE instead of themselves - just like lieberman does.

Full circle.

[JeffR]

48. Hm. Not buyin' that.

Atman didn't vote for Lieberman, and neither did most CT Democratic voters. Any more than I voted for Chambliss or Isakson. And I yell about both those creeps whenever I get an opportunity...

[Eurobabe]

43. That's really rude Bloo, since I lived in VA in 2004

and they went for Bush, does that make me complicit too? I don't think it is fair to blame the Conn. voters who tried their damnest to rid the Nutmeg state of LIE-berman.

[BlooInBloo]

44. (shrug) Then you and I disagree.

I say: Senators are chosen by the state's electorate, and the state's electorate receives either the blame or credit for whom they select.

But this is America (more or less) - you're free to blame a polar bear's left testicle if you want, because you're so keen to avoid blaming Connecticut's electorate. That's your business.

[JeffR]

49. How the hell do you turn that into a reason to dump on Atman

who would have walked on broken glass if it would have prevented the re-election of QuidProJoe?

[BlooInBloo]

51. Asked and answered.

EDIT: You're free to keep riding the verbal merry-go-round if you like (maybe there's something in the Connecticut water?) - but once is enough for me.

[JeffR]

53. Does that mean something?

Anything?

I don't really want to argue about this, but you're just not making much sense.

[Eurobabe]

63. This guy is a jackass, I'm putting him on ignore

[BlooInBloo]

67. Just like lieberman did to Lousiana....

... again, like voter, like Senator.

[Jax]

68. What a classless post

big surprise...

[AlCzervik]

23. you're absolutely right and the CT republic party knew exactly how to play

things. The whole thing just sucks.

[PassingFair]

26. No one blames the Connecticut Democrats of DU, Atman!

Jebus! You guys went up against the MACHINE just by
voting Lieberman out in the PRIMARIES!

You guys are *ucking HEROIC in my book.

You went against Schumer, the DLC and
all the big guns and DID WHAT HAD TO BE DONE!

You, and the entire country were repaid
by a democratic party that was TERRIFIED
of LIEberman and promised him his seniority
if he beat OUR LAMONT!

Bunch of *ucking TRAITORS.

The voters of CT are 62 percent Republican and Independent.
Let's not forget that.

I for one am GRATEFUL for Connecticut dems for forcing
Joe out of the party in the primary.

It has put the other DLC dems ON NOTICE!!!!!

[Zhade]

39. Unfortunately, a lot of CT Dems voted for him.

NT!

[Nutmegger]

56. Thank you Atman.

People want to throw us under the bus. STFU and redirect your rage elsewhere.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. Exactly -- Joe got the majority of the Republican voters.

That, and his splitting of votes with Schlesinger, was how he won.

[Contrite]

70. I am truly confused.

Did Holy Joe get the lion's share of Repub and Indie votes to win over Lamont?

[salin]

11. Lieberman (I - Conn)

Arggh! As if he think that he would get anymore support if he were in the GOP party? Is he serious? He shoulda bowed out along the honorable rules when he lost the primary - and gone on to make his money in private industry. Surely he had many opportunities. Did he expect anything different that he is experiencing? And again - does he really think it might be better for him if he were part of the GOP - has he seen how the GOP have treated moderates in their own party?

What a jerk.

[Atman]

25. I think that should be (I - Con)

He ain't no dem, but he ain't no republic...and even his Joe for CT party ousted him. He's nothing but a con man trying to hold on to power.

.

[illinoisprogressive]

14. some pundits have said this. I'm watching it tomorrow morning.

[oldtimecanuk]

20. Maybe it's just as well Gore/Lieberman didn't win in 2000...

Maybe the plan was for Gore to disappear..... (Oh shit, that was an awful thought... give your head a shake) cause Joe would never do that.... ugh...

ww

[bananarepublican]

45. Lieberman may have been an LBJ re-incarnate after a Gore assassination! n/t

[donco6]

29. I think it's a good thing, frankly.

If the Dems DIDN'T do something about that a-hole, they just look weak. Can you imagine the Republicans tolerating that behavior? At least now his real stripes are revealed to all, and this charade can end.

[neverforget]

30. I don't think he will switch because next year 21 Republicans are up

for re-election and they have more vulnerable seats than the Democrats do. If he switches now, he'll be spending his last 4 years of his term in the minority and if there's anything Joe wouldn't want to be is in the minority where his whining, neo-con, war-mongering sanctimonious self will have no power. In the end, Holy Joe is all about himself so he would fit in perfectly with today's Republics.

[Tin Man]

34. Excellent point.

[bananarepublican]

47. He could simply 're-flip-flop'! n/t

[Hamlette]

52. he could re-flip-flop but it wouldn't do him any good

if we didn't need him right now, no way he'd be chairing a committee. If we can get to 52 (or 51 and we get the WH in 2008) we don't need him and we'd owe him nothing. No committees, no civility. He might have "fun" for 2 years and if he did caucus with the Dems in 2008 it would do him no good.

If he switches, could CT recall him? I know they don't have a law right now but could they pass one? Fast!

[bananarepublican]

62. Let us all watch him like a (brave) hawk! If he cares about his legacy... n/t

[BlooInBloo]

54. But I would think that goes the other way just as easily....

... Smart money is on us Jackass-Connecticut-voter-proofing our senate majority. As soon as that happens, the-chosen-of-the-jackass-Connecticut-electorate will lose all say in the Senate - his senority won't be worth a damn at that point.

So the fuckwad-that-was-elected-by-the-fuckwad-Connecticut-voters would do just as well to get a couple of free years going on his seniority for the OTHER side, and hope to get an appointment at some point.

He's really just screwed, in the long-term, no matter what - lol. Thank god there are ways to (eventually) workaround a single state's dipshit voters.

[Wiley50]

33. self delete

[rockymountaindem]

36. The Florida Gov. is a Republican

That wouldn't do anything.

[Wiley50]

37. Nah, Actually I'm starting to maybe like Crist a little bit

I deleted.
I'll repost when I figure out where I saw this

Not sure it was FL now

[Wiley50]

38. Never Mind It was Charlie Norwood Congressman from GA

Won't help us a bit

WASHINGTON Feb 7, 2007 (AP)— Rep. Charlie Norwood is leaving Washington to receive hospice care at home in Georgia, forgoing further treatment for lung cancer that has spread to his liver.

Norwood's spokesman, John Stone, said Wednesday that the seven-term Republican is not yet resigning from Congress but has decided to go home to Augusta, Ga., to be with his family and "let the Lord decide what to do."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2857443

[bananarepublican]

50. Due to 'republi*unt' hypocrisy I must insist that all references to 'them' should specify...

... How many times they've been married
... How many times have they have taken the Haggert cure
... How many times have they attended 'Mark Foley Values' seminars
... Have they ever appeared as character witnesses for any phone-sex-related legal proceedings for Bill(sh*t) O'Reilly.

... I could go on, however, a strong sense of being 'fair and balanced' prevents it!!!

[Nutmegger]

58. LIEberMe got 70% of the Repuke vote

The Puke party supported him.

He received support from many pukes. Bloomberg did a few fundraisers for him.

He had access to Bush's donor list.

LIEberMe morphed into an anti-war candidate, fooling people by saying "I want to bring the troops home as must as the next person ... without compromising our national security". What people didn't understand is that "without compromising our national security" invalidated the whole meaning of the sentence.

And let's not forget about his illegal slush fund.

We tried. I know I did and I feel very honored to have volunteered my precious time to work for Team Lamont. My only regret is that I didn't bust my hump for Lamont during the primary.

I'm tired of being lumped with the jackasses who voted for him. Wanna get mad? Get mad at the REPUKES!

[Pushed To The Left]

64. I saw it tonight. If Lieberman were to do this, he would become a polarizing figure

for taking Democratic control of the Senate away from the Democratic Party. With all of his talk about bipartisanship and civility, that would seem to go against everything he believes in. Of course, should he decide to switch, maybe somebody like Chuck Hagel could return the favor by switching parties himself!

[Edweird]

65. Lieberman is running interference for war criminal bushler

over this administrations criminal negligence in New Orleans. I realize that numbnuts will probably not be impeached solely because of his lack of response to Katrina. But it is possible. And when the whole truth comes out, bushit can't hide behind "national security" or "war on terra". And it will help establish a pattern of sociopathy that a lot of Americans are a little slow on the uptake about. So that is why I think it is so important to Lieberman. And exactly why Lieberman should go. He's a traitor. And to the people that are afraid he will switch sides... he's gonna' do it anyway. I believe it's a done deal, he's just waiting for the most politically damaging time to do it.

[Jennicut]

66. Okay, I'm getting annoyed with all the "good going voters of Connecticut" threads by some DU'rs

I never voted for this scumbag nor did most of the people in my town. The final vote total was not overly close but it was not an outright kill of the opposition. Lots of good people in CT never voted for Joe Loserman and resent that we have to put up with this idiot for six more years just as many people in 2004 did not vote for Chimpy. Now, lots of DLC type Dems might have voted form him but I don't consider them Dems anyways as they are just corpratists in disguise. Joe did have all the Repuke votes (and unfortunately my parents-love em but disagree with them on all things political) voted for Joe. He was the Repuke candidate for all intents and purposes so the Repub won in our state which sucks. But at least we got rid of some Rethug Congress-people like Nancy Johnson. Oh well, maybe I will move to Rhode Island. They voted in a Dem Senator, right?