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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:17 AM
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Boehner on MTP: "All of our allies had the same bad intelligence" - What a LOAD!
I can't believe the Repukes are STILL spinning that worn-out yarn.

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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:19 AM
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1. ...and guess what? They elected NOT to go to war based on it.
Tired of the bullshit.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:20 AM
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2. Our Allies had the same bad intelligence because...
We gave it to them.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:21 AM
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3. "All our allies had the same bad intelligence...
THAT OUR GOVERNMENT FED THEM!" Dumb ass.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:23 AM
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4. Well, we have to make allowances for Old Europe. You know how
antiquated and feeble-minded those countries are.
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A wise Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:25 AM
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5. Get this
thursday he said that we didn't start this war iraq did. Sorry bone head, the US invaded iraq on a lie not the other way around.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:26 AM
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6. Are you SERIES?!?!
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A wise Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:28 AM
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11. yes
at a press conference on cspan doing the argument break about Pelosi and the plane. He sure did say it!!!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:30 AM
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15. O. M. G.
:eyes:

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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:28 AM
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10. W......T......F?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:26 AM
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7. This shithead is really hard to watch. What a prick.
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BentleyJD Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:11 PM
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23. he's always been a prick
I grew up in Ohio, I know this guy is the most arrogant prick you would ever want to meet.
And it's good getting back with all the DU;s again.
take care tony and wonder guide dog dietirch
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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:27 AM
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8. Boner makes me so mad, I can taste the bile in the back of my throat.
He is a pure mix of partisan-evil if ever one existed.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:27 AM
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9. I watched this and I was so mad that, first, Russert let him speak most of the time
and when the other senator did get to speak, Boehner kept speaking over him. It made me so mad that Tim didn't call him on it as it was so obvious.
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back2basics909 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:29 AM
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13. MTP.....
GOP's best outlet, remember the Libby trial.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:30 AM
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16. Well since Potato Head has been outed as a repug talking shill
I'm thinking he figures he has nothing to lose at this point. He just let Bone Head spew lies and nonsense and never once called him on it.

Guess we now know that Potato Head's spanking in front of the jury last week did nothing to change his still being a friendly voice for the administration. Back to business as usual.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:29 AM
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12. What pisses me off is not that the criminal pukes say such idiocy,
but that the oh-so-accommodating democrats refuse to turn to the offender and ask, "Why in the hell are you spinning that simple lying shit one more time?"

And then explain the truth in no nonsense terms while preventing the sputtering puke from interrupting.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:04 AM
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21. Bingo and that is why
they continue to spew new lies like Iran. The Democrats are allowing them to get away with this crap again.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:29 AM
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14. Had tv on MTP but as soon as I saw Boner's face I turned it.
His smugness just irritates me beyond words.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:57 AM
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17. It's true; the entire world had the same intell, and yes it was BAD. For bush.
"WMD"?

SUMMER, 2002 – CIA WARNINGS (about lack of "WMD") TO WHITE HOUSE EXPOSED
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0630selling.htm

SEPTEMBER, 2002 – DIA TELLS WHITE HOUSE NO EVIDENCE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS
http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Pentagon/us-dod-iraqchemreport-060703.htm

SEPTEMBER 20, 2002 – DEPT. OF ENERGY TELLS WHITE HOUSE OF NUKE DOUBTS (aluminum tubes for conventional rockets, NOT nukes)

While National Security Adviser Condi Rice stated on 9/8 that imported aluminum tubes ‘are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs’ a growing number of experts say that the administration has not presented convincing evidence that the tubes were intended for use in uranium enrichment rather than for artillery rocket tubes or other uses. Former U.N. weapons inspector David Albright said he found significant disagreement among scientists within the Department of Energy and other agencies about the certainty of the evidence."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_01/003147.php

OCTOBER 2002 – CIA DIRECTLY WARNS WHITE HOUSE

"The CIA sent two memos to the White House in October voicing strong doubts about a claim President Bush made three months later in the State of the Union address that Iraq was trying to buy nuclear materials in Africa."
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/6362092.htm

OCTOBER 2002 — STATE DEPT. WARNS WHITE HOUSE ON NUKE CHARGES

The State Department’s Intelligence and Research Department dissented from the conclusion in the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq’s WMD capabilities that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. "The activities we have detected do not ... add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquiring nuclear weapons."

INR accepted the judgment by Energy Department technical experts that aluminum tubes Iraq was seeking to acquire, which was the central basis for the conclusion that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, were ill-suited to build centrifuges for enriching uranium.
http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/pdf/Iraq/declassifiedintellreport.pdf

OCTOBER 2002 – AIR FORCE WARNS WHITE HOUSE (against "drones")

"The government organization most knowledgeable about the United States' UAV program -- the Air Force's National Air and Space Intelligence Center -- had sharply disputed the notion that Iraq's UAVs were being designed as attack weapons" – a WMD claim President Bush used in his October 7 speech on Iraqi WMD, just three days before the congressional vote authorizing the president to use force.
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=2755&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

JANUARY, 2003 – STATE DEPT. INTEL BUREAU REITERATE WARNING TO POWELL

"The Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), the State Department's in-house analysis unit, and nuclear experts at the Department of Energy are understood to have explicitly warned Secretary of State Colin Powell during the preparation of his speech that the evidence was questionable. The Bureau reiterated to Mr. Powell during the preparation of his February speech that its analysts were not persuaded that the aluminum tubes the Administration was citing could be used in centrifuges to enrich uranium."
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/justify/2003/0729powell.htm

FEBRUARY 14, 2003 – UN WARNS WHITE HOUSE THAT NO WMD HAVE BEEN FOUND
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/14/sprj.irq.un /

FEBRUARY 15, 2003 – IAEA WARNS WHITE HOUSE NO NUCLEAR EVIDENCE
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b24889.html

FEBURARY 24, 2003 – CIA WARNS WHITE HOUSE ‘NO DIRECT EVIDENCE’ OF WMD
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3340723 /

MARCH 7, 2003 – IAEA REITERATES TO WHITE HOUSE NO EVIDENCE OF NUKES
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b24889.html

Doubts, Dissent Stripped from Public Version of Iraq Assessment
The public version of the U.S. intelligence community's key prewar assessment of Iraq's illicit arms programs was stripped of dissenting opinions, warnings of insufficient information and doubts about deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's intentions, a review of the document and its once-classified version shows.

As a result, the public was given a far more definitive assessment of Iraq's plans and capabilities than President Bush and other U.S. decision-makers received from their intelligence agencies.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0210-02.htm

CIA to Bush: 'No clear Evidence of WMD'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/120103A.shtml

Why the CIA thinks Bush is wrong
The president says the US has to act now against Iraq. The trouble is, his own security services don't agree.
http://www.sundayherald.com/28384

CIA in blow to Bush attack plans
The letter also comes at a time when the CIA is competing with the more hawkish Pentagon, which is also supplying the White House with intelligence on the Iraqi threat.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,808970,00.html

White House 'exaggerating Iraqi threat'
Bush's televised address attacked by US intelligence
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,807286,00.html

"I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied - finally denied access, a report came out of the Atomic -the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon. I don't know what more evidence we need."
-Bush speaking at a news conference Sept. 7 with Tony Blair

There never was, never has been, any such report.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020927-500715.htm

France & Russia knew;

'French intelligence was telling us that there was effectively no real evidence of a WMD program That's why France wanted a longer extension on the weapons inspections. The French, the Germans and the Russians all knew there were no weapons there -- and so did Blair and Bush as that's what the French told them directly. Blair ignored what the French told us and instead listened to the Americans.'

The debate on Iraqi WMD continues. For example, Russia was not convinced by either the September 24, 2002 British dossier or the October 4, 2002 CIA report. Lacking sufficient evidence, Russia dismissed the claims as a part of a "propaganda furor."
http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iraq/usallieswmd.html#back234

The UK knew
"They also ignore the statements of Robin Cook, the former British foreign secretary who resigned on the eve of the war to protest Prime Minister Tony Blair’s war policy. Cook was quoted in the June 18, 2003 Guardian newspaper as saying: “I think it would be fair to say that there was a selection of evidence to support a conclusion. I fear we got into a position in which the intelligence was not being used to inform and shape policy, but to shape policy that was already settled.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/06/05/nwmd05.xml

"Ties to al Qaeda"?

Aug 6, 2003- Wolfowitz: Iraq Was Not Involved In 9-11 Terrorist Attacks, No Ties To Al-Qaeda
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4372.htm

UN Panel Reports No al-Qaida-Iraq Ties
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/breaking_news/6176302.htm

Leaked Report Rejects Link Claims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2727471.stm

Newly Declassified Intelligence Documents on Iraq-al Qaeda Relationship
Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., today released documents recently declassified at his request that illustrate that some claims of a cooperative relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda made by top administration officials in support of the Iraq war were contrary to what U.S. intelligence officials believed to be true.
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=236440

Sources: U.S. distorted Saddam-al Qaeda link - Senior U.S. officials now say there never was any evidence that Saddam's secular police state and Osama bin Laden's Islamic terrorism network were in league.
https://registration.dfw.com/reg/login.do?url=http://www.dfw.com%2Fmld%2Fdfw%2Fnews%2F8094015.htm

Spanish intelligence service says no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda: report
Spain's counter-espionage service believes there is no link between toppled Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and the extremist Al Qaeda network, national media has reported. - The head of the National Intelligence Centre, Jorge Dezcaller, added that Al Qaeda had even accused Saddam of not respecting the principles of Islam,
http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/09/06 /

Allies Find No Links Between Iraq, Al Qaeda
"What I'm asked is if I've seen any evidence of that. (Iraq links to al Qaeda) And the answer is: I haven't.” -British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who supports U.S. invasion & occupation of Iraq.
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-noqaeda4nov04,0,4538810.st...

British Intelligence agencies, MI6 and MI5
A dossier prepared by the two agencies “showed no discernible links between Iraq and al-Qaida,”
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=375403

Richard Kerr, a former deputy CIA director who lead an internal review of the CIA's prewar intelligence;
“the CIA has not found any proof of operational ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime.”
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?pid=800

The White House’s own publication, A Decade of Defiance and Deception, makes no mention of Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html

The 2002 congressional joint intelligence committee’s report on the Sept. 11 attacks revealed that the Bush administration had no evidence to support its claim that Saddam’s government was supporting al-Qaeda.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030723-064812-9491r

No proof links Iraq, al-Qaida, Colin Powell says
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3909150

According to a "top secret British document", quoted by the BBC "there is nothing but enmity between Iraq and Al Qaeda." The BBC said the leak came from intelligence officials upset that their work was being used to justify war." (quoted in Daily News, New York, 6 February 2003).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO303D.html

"At the Federal Bureau of Investigation, some investigators said they were baffled by the Bush administration's insistence on a solid link between Iraq and Osama bin Laden's network. "We've been looking at this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don't think it's there," a government official said."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70D1EF83E5C0C718CDDAB0894DB404482

"There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda, ever."
-Richard Clarke, former terrorism chief under bush.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

Iraq-al Qaeda ties have not been found
Bush administration hyped sketchy and false evidence to push for war
The Bush administration’s claim that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda — one of the administration’s central arguments for a pre-emptive war — appears to have been based on even less solid intelligence than the administration’s claims that Iraq had hidden stocks of chemical and biological weapons.

Nearly a year after U.S. and British troops invaded Iraq, no evidence has turned up to verify allegations of Saddam’s links with al Qaeda, and several key parts of the administration’s case have either proved false or seem increasingly doubtful.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/2004/03/04/news/nation/8101079.htm

bush's own hand-picked Republican weapons hunter ISG, Dr. David Kay;

David Kay was on the ground for months investigating the activities of Hussein's regime. He concluded "But we simply did not find any evidence of extensive links with Al Qaeda, or for that matter any real links at all."

He called a speech where Cheney made the claim there was a link, as being "evidence free."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/06/16/bush_backs_cheney_on_assertion_linking_hussein_al_qaeda

Israeli intelligence (the Moussad)

“According to Israeli intelligence, Palestinians are still not connected to the global terror network, and neither is Iraq.”
http://www.haaretz.com /

No evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda ties: 9/11 commission
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/06/cheney.911

"CIA Review Finds No Evidence Saddam Had Ties to Islamic Terrorists"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1005-01.htm

The MAJORITY of every US "ally"'s citizens OPPOSED bushCabal's bullshit...including Americans;

December 17, 2002
Poll: Bush hasn't made case for Iraq war

More than two-thirds of Americans believe the Bush administration has failed to make its case that a war against Iraq is justified...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-17-iraq-poll_x.htm



January 13, 2003
Poll: Majority of Americans oppose unilateral action against Iraq

A robust majority of Americans - 83 percent - would support going to war if the United Nations backed the action and it was carried out by a multinational coalition. But without U.N. approval and allies, only about a third of the public would support a war with Iraq.
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001415.html



Public opinion polls indicate that the most Britons strongly oppose an invasion of Iraq
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-04.htm

Eighty-one percent of Britons opposed U.S. actions in Iraq
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070123/NEWS/70123057/-1/archive

Among Key Iraq Partners, Weak Public Support for Troop Presence
Majority of Public in United Kingdom, Italy, Poland, Australia, Japan Call for Withdrawing Their Troops

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/breuropera/74.php?nid=&id=&pnt=74&lb=breu



Spain: 80% opposed to war, 91% against attack without UN resolution

Italy: 72% opposed to war

Portugal: 65% say there is no reason to attack now

Hungary: 82% opposed to invasion under any circumstances

Czech Republic: 67% opposed to invasion under any circumstances

Poland: 63% against sending Polish troops, 52% support US "politically"

Denmark: 79% oppose war without U.N. mandate

Australia: 76% oppose participation in a US-led war on Iraq.

Australian Senate voted 33-31 to censure Howard for committing 2,000
soldiers to US action.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38226-2003Feb6.html
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+britain
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+spain
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+italy
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+portugal
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+Hungary
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+Czech
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+Poland
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+denmark
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+australia
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22vilnius+10%22+nato
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/02/11/012.html
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+latvia
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+romania
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+macedonia
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+bulgaria
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+estonia
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+slovakia
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/02/07022003192525.asp
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+france
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=iraq+poll+germany
http://www.gallup-international.com/surveys.htm


Don't forget POLAND!

"We have never hidden our desire for Polish oil companies to finally have access to sources of commodities." Access to the oilfields "is our ultimate objective,"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3043330.stm
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:58 AM
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18. Wow! What a compendium!
Thank you for giving me the chance to write the word 'compendium'!


:D

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:02 AM
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20. A standing applause here! Bravo Lynn!!!!! I wish your post could be recommended! eom
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:46 PM
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24. Great post
Thanks for putting this together
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:00 AM
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19. heh heh heh
I guess Feith made alot of phone calls to our allies?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:24 AM
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22. He's right, we gave it to them, lol.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:00 PM
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25. Canadians rejected the intel. As did the French. So did the CIA!!!
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