Who does Barack Obama think he is?

[Darth_Kitten]

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/lisa_nuss/2007/01/obamas_women_problem.html

Some interesting commentary.

[Katherine Brengle]

1. In terms of actual time spent in elective office,

I could be wrong, but doesn't Obama have more than Hillary if you include time spent in the Illinoise legislature?

Stuff like this annoys the hell out of me.

He may have less experience than some of the candidates, but that doesn't automatically make him a bad choice OR undeserving. In fact, it makes me glad he's started his campaign relatively early so he has plenty of time to show the American people who he is and what he stands for.

[Mass]

3. You're right - More than both HR Clinton and Edwards.

He does not have the experience IN Washington, though. But did Bill Clinton have that?

[Katherine Brengle]

7. Good, experience in Washington ruins too many good people. nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. inside the bloatway syndrome.

must be something in the water.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Gotta love it when the Brits stick their fucking noses in our politics.

[NYCGirl]

5. The woman who wrote the article is a writer who lives in San Francisco.

"Lisa Nuss is an attorney and writer based in San Francisco, who attempts to write humorously on the topic of women and power. Her opinions have appeared in the Philadelphia Inquirer, the San Francisco Chronicle and other major US newspapers."

BTW, I think she's full of crap on this one.

[Buzz Clik]

13. I, too, think she's full of crap.

[Darth_Kitten]

6. The person who wrote this is based in San Francisco......

n/t

[Buzz Clik]

12. And? It was published in a British outlet.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. And you want us to ignore anything outside the UK?

What a great way of approaching politics that would be - "don't listen to any news or opinions from outside your country, it's got nothing to do with you, keep your fucking noses out of it".

I presume you won't stick your fucking nose into French-German news like this again: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=80431&mesg_id=80432

[Connie_Corleone]

4. There's nothing interesting in it.

"But Obama talks and acts like a white man from the Ivy League." Don't even get me started on that line! :mad: :mad: :mad:

First it was black v. white. Now it's men v. women.

Obama's running for president because he's qualified to run for president. If the female senators think they're more qualified, then they should run. The only one I see running is Hillary Clinton. No one's stopping the others from running.

On edit: Obama hasn't won the nomination so what's all the fuss?

[Katherine Brengle]

8. Holy crap I missed that line. Ick. And you're right,

I wish more women would take a stab at it - it would decrease the shock value of female candidates.

[Darth_Kitten]

9. Of course it is, it brings up some good points..........

lots of more qualified women whose candidancies never got off the ground because they weren't taken seriously, despite their qualifications.

No matter how much we don't like to talk about it, there still is that glass ceiling for women.

And no, I don't think Hillary Clinton should be president.

[Connie_Corleone]

11. But it's not just women. Two words: Dennis Kucinich

[Katherine Brengle]

14. True -- but he is ONE man.

All women (other than Hillary Clinton) have been dismissed so far.

But like I said in another thread, it is more likely that America will first elect a black man, THEN a woman.

That's the way voting rights went, it is most likely the way the presidency will go.

[davsand]

15. Obama must scare the hell out of somebody.

Obama announced less than 24 hours ago. Today you have the Australian "Head Toady" making his snarky comments about how the Al Quaida is hoping Obama wins and you have the Brit media putting tripe like this out there.

I have to wonder why any candidate that thinks diplomacy is a good thing and who is a former Civil Rights attorney threatens them so.

These are things that make me go "Hmmmm."



Laura

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. This comment is dated January 16th

so the conspiracy theory doesn't fit, here. She is, as she says in the comments to the piece, a Hillary Clinton supporter. Her position is clear: women candidates have a harder time being taken seriously than male ones. I think this is true, but needn't mean Obama is not qualified enough.

[skipos]

16. Not very interesting. Richardson has the widest range of experience

imo, but very few people talk about him. Did GW Bush, Clinton, HW Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc all have more experience than everyone else in politics when they were running for Pres? Hell no.

Who did Lincoln think he was? He had less experience than everyone else he ran against.

[jmowreader]

17. You just named a VERY long list of governors

GWB was governor of Texas, Clinton Arkansas, Reagan California, Carter Georgia.

GHWB was the de facto president between 1981 and 1989, so I'd say he was qualified to actually hold the title.

Lincoln? Yeah right. That guy wouldn't have lasted a second in today's campaign environment. All that log schoolhouse stuff would have gotten him thrown out of the first primary...and he was (gasp!) a LAWYER! Oh, the horror!

I keep telling you guys and most of you don't want to listen: let's find us a reasonably clean governor and mop the floor with Giuliani.

[skipos]

18. Only 3 senators have become president since Lincoln

So I agree that they have more of an uphill battle than governors. Right now there are only two governors in the mix: Vilsack, who isn't even polling well in his homestate of Iowa, and Richardson, who polls very well in his homestate of NM, and is arguably the most experienced person in the 08 mix. Clark isn't a senator either, but has trouble getting face time since he holds no public office.

I think that the media and GOP will focus their mud on Obama, Clinton, and to a lesser extent Edwards, and it might allow for a dark horse like Richardson to emerge as a frontrunner.