Valerie Wilson NOC Document

[Sugarcoated]

Does anyone have a link to the official document that says she was NOC?

[itsmesgd]

1. is this an attempt at humor?

NOC- Non-Official Cover.

[Sugarcoated]

2. No

I'm referring to a document someone posted here awhile back that said clearly that she was NOC.

[merh]

3. Looks to me like the right is getting worried that they have been

lied to and now they are running around saying "prove it" to us.

I wish they would simply realize that they have been duped and in allowing themselves to be duped, they have been made pawns in a horrible game that has severely damaged our nation and left thousands dead.

I pray for an awakening and justice, but at the same time I want to slap all those that supported *, yelling at them how the f*ck could you be so stupid. Look what you have done.

[Sugarcoated]

4. Yep

It feels good to be right - but there's still some knuckle dragging deniers. Most normal people go by the facts - especially the last word sponken on this in the trial last week.

[livvy]

5. Sugarcoated is correct.

Plame entered the CIA in 1985. She served overseas in Europe first as a case-officer pretending to be a part of the State Department, and then as a NOC. NOC's were the most secret of the frontline personnel. Since they did not pretend to work for the government, they didn't have the protections (diplomatic immunity) that a non-NOC would have. She joined the CPD (Counter proliferation Division) when she returned from Europe, but maintained her NOC status. She had been working on finding intelligence on Iraq's unconventional weapons when she was outed. Ironic, huh? She was trying to find the very information that the lying weasel and his troop so desperately wanted, when they outed her.
Sorry, I don't have a link for this, but this is the general history of her employment.

[sallyseven]

9. Maybe they were afraid that

she knew that cheney and co. were cozy with military stuff for Iraq. She might expose them. Something stinks there.

[emulatorloo]

6. walton/fitz - Plame was covert

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/05/plame-was-covert/

Plame was covert:
Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald “found that Plame had indeed done ‘covert work overseas’ on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA ‘was making specific efforts to conceal’ her identity, according to newly released portions of a judge’s opinion.” Scooter Libby’s lawyers and White House allies “have repeatedly questioned whether Plame…really had covert status when she was outed to the media in July 2003.” February 5, 2006 11:18 am | Comment (35)


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There were several docs floating around the OVP that were marked confidential and NOFORN (Not Releasable to Foreign Nationals/Governments/Non-US Citizens (US government classification control) that mentioned her working at the CIA. I'm sure if you google you can come across them.

But mostly you need to realize that the CIA asked justice to investigate the leak of her identity. If it was important to them, it was a big deal.

[Sugarcoated]

7. You don't need to convince me

it's a few stragglers I'm dealing with on another message board.

[H2O Man]

8. That quote,

which I have posted and linked to numerous times on DU, is from the 2-13-06 Newsweek article by Michael Isikoff. It is saying she was covert. It does not say NOC.

If anyone is debating the Plame scandal with someone who demands evidence in the form of a document that "proves" she was a NOC, they are wasting their time. Don't waste your time debating idiots.

[emulatorloo]

10. agreed EOM

[Spazito]

11. If one follows the opinions of Judge Walton wrt classified

documents, especially the one from the Protective Order of June 2, 2006, which relates to the Libby defense motion for discovery re Valerie Plame, it is clear documents related to her ARE classified:

http://www.zinzang.com/siteframe/files/0002/06-02-06_Protective_Order.pdf

snip

Upon careful review of the government’s requests, its supporting declarations from the
intelligence community filed ex parte, in camera, and the original documents from which the
summaries were created, the Court finds that the documents and information identified in the
government’s Section 4 CIPA filing are extremely sensitive and their disclosure could cause
serious if not grave damage to the national security of the United States.

snip

(1) The government shall provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the proposed
substitution recounting Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment history with the
Central Intelligence Agency from January 1, 2002, and thereafter.
(2) The government shall provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the proposed
substitution discussing potential damage (if any) caused by the alleged disclosure
of Valerie Plame Wilson’s affiliation with the Central Intelligence Agency.
(3) The government shall, as requested, provide to the defense by June 9, 2006, the
true names of three individuals whose identities were redacted from classified
documents previously made available to the defense, and shall identify for the
defense the specific documents and locations within those documents where those
names should be inserted.

End of snip

Another document that is useful in terms of this question is another filing from the Libby defense re Valerie Plame's employment status at the CIA:

http://www.zinzang.com/siteframe/files/0002/10-30-06_14_page_Libby_Motion_to_Exclude_Evidence.pdf

snip

Specifically, the government should be prohibited from referring to Mrs. Wilson's employment status as classified or covert, or to any actual or potential damage caused by disclosure of that status, except for evidence and argument of what Mr. Libby, or others he spoke with, knew about those matters at the relevant time.

End of snip

Here is a very valuable link, imo, to the various court filings, opinions and orders wrt the Libby trial, it is current to Nov 2, 2006:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=358&topic_id=3589

Those that continue to say Valerie Plame wasn't covert won't take the time to read any documents you might provide, they simply want a 10 word, proof positive statement from someone they trust which, by coincidence, are those who keep saying Valerie Plame wasn't a covert operative.

The question of whether Valerie Plame was a NOC or not is a red herring, imo. The fact that she was a covert CIA operative and, therefore, all information regarding her was classified at the time of the disclosure is the only relevant issue.

[mmonk]

12. Ask them to prove she wasn't.

Ask them if she wasn't, why was there an investigation and why is there a trial? There is no law prohibiting her name being revealed if she isn't and thus no reason for any trial or probable cause for an investigation.