Detroit Free Press: Impeach The Two Of Them

[Hissyspit]

http://www.freep.com:80/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070211/COL10/702110564/1070/OPINION02

Impeach the two of them
February 11, 2007

BY ROCHELLE RILEY

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

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What could Cheney possibly be convicted of? Here's a thing: He used intelligence created -- and I use the word created as it is defined -- by Rumsfeld's top policy aide to convince America and the Congress that there was a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

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But Levin called the findings "devastating" and said "the American people will be absolutely furious."

The American people, most of us, are furious. We've lost 3,000 American men and women in a dishonest war. We've lost a global reputation because of the arrogance of our leaders. We can't wait until the next election to do something because there will only be more Americans dying in the meantime.

I've called for the impeachment of President George W. Bush twice before and had correspondents tell me that their greater fear was a President Cheney. Get rid of them both for "high crimes and misdemeanors" against the American people. The best definition of that came from our own President Gerald Ford in 1970: "An impeachable offense is whatever the majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at any given moment."

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[malaise]

1. The idea of Impeachment

is spreading far and wide.

[Hissyspit]

2. Impeachment, Indictment, Resignation - Send them to the Hague.

Something needs to happen!

[Rageneau]

4. It is the MSM that decides whether Impeachment is viable.

I think it's in the Constitution -- or it might aw well be.

It was the NYT, WP, USA Today, Scripps, AP, numerous RW columnists, Russert, FOX, Matthews, et al., that banged the oil drum for Clinton's Articles of Impeachment. Without their collusion, such an obviously malicious effort could not have lasted one news cycle.

Likewise, it is the collusion of the MSM that is required before there is any possiblity of impeaching Smirk and Co. But that collusion won't be forthcoming until the RNC and the MIC order it.

How long can you hold you breath?

[cui bono]

6. Sorry, what's MIC? nt

[Art_from_Ark]

7. MIC= Military-Industrial Complex

I think

[malaise]

9. Until the people take the street and not

on Saturday.

[libnnc]

3. kick

:bounce:

[Independent_Liberal]

5. K&R!

Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!

[Crabby Appleton]

8. takes 67 votes in the senate to convict, not gonna happen nt

[Bluebear]

10. Wouldn't be too sure. Depends how many are up for re-election.

The rats may desert the sinking ship to save their own hides.

[MissWaverly]

12. yes, they can't even decide to debate a non-binding resolution

on the war, I don't expect them to vote for impeachment, not with Mitch McConnell throwing
monkey wrenches in the path of justice.

[wordpix]

31. if our Dems running for pres get behind Impeachment x 2, it could happen but

let's see if they're leaders.

[D23MIURG23]

32. IMO The Biggest Problem is the Hagel-Lieberman Axis

of hypocrisy, denial, and stupidity. Throwing these two out of office at this point would be a tacit admission by the repigs to several years of appeasing and enabling impeachable offenses. They will have to be staring their political deaths in the face before they vote bush/cheney out. You could argue that they already are, but I think it lacks the necessary immanence at present.

[Jack Rabbit]

11. Oh, that was such a good read

Now impeach and remove them both, already.

[gratefultobelib]

13. If only....I don't have much faith that it will happen, though.

[faithnotgreed]

14. KICKING

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Great idea!

:) I wonder if this kind of discussion is going on behind closed Congressional doors? One can hope!

[In Truth We Trust]

16. K&R For Impeachment and Justice and Democracy!

[brentblack]

17. Will only work...

...if we can impeach both. Impeaching one or the other changes nothing.

[Doondoo]

18. k&r

[Greybnk48]

19. Agreed. They BOTH have to go.

And soon, before they do any more damage.

[not_a_robot]

20. i wonder...

Will anyone try to stop their bosses? Or are we all satisfied with just getting rid of the henchmen.

[texpatriot2004]

21. Rats, I am too late to Rec. but they should IMPEACH NOW! nm

[Kurovski]

22. Kick.(nt)

[The Wizard]

23. All right

How about a pay-per-view where they're hooked up to a polygraph and electrodes to their testicles that shock them when the test shows they're lying.

[pokercat999]

30. That would work if either actually had any testicles.

Fucking cowards and criminals.

[faithnotgreed]

24. heres to the dream

[mrJJ]

25. Cookin the Books AGAIN

The White House cooked the Books .... AGAIN

Pace Demurs on Accusation of Iran
General Cites No Evidence Implicating Leaders on Arms in Iraq

Marine Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said yesterday that he has no information indicating the Iranian government is directing the supply of lethal weapons to Shiite insurgent groups in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/12/AR2007021201537.html

[Obamarama]

26. Amen, brother!

[SlowDownFast]

27. DU'rs, the online comment section has been freeped

(and I don't mean FreePressed)!

Please visit the posted link and show support by commenting or emailing her: [e-mail]

[chknltl]

28. WE THE PEOPLE are accountable either way

Nay-sayers will be quick to point out that it takes "X" amount of votes to impeach these criminals and then there are the nit-pickers who say we must have this and that done FIRST in order to have an impeachment. I can only guess as to why they want us to stop shouting IMPEACHMENT as loud as we can.
I'LL NOT STOP SHOUTING IMPEACHMENT! What do you suppose our world would look like today if our leadership had stated early on that IMPEACHMENT investigations are a major priority instead of pulling it off the table...do you think we would be chatting over the nuances of Iran's involvement in the Middle East's crisis??? Do you think we would be debating about funding a surge into Baghdad?
Do you suspect that we would be worrying nationally about brands of diapers worn by astronuts or wondering about who the daddy is?

It is going to take WE THE PEOPLE SHOUTING IMPEACHMENT as LOUD and as long as we can in order to get this job done. Eventually as this movement grows there will come a tipping point, one that bushco fears and WE THE PEOPLE deeply desire. The world is casting a close eye on America right now, the world knows what criminals bushco are, WE THE PEOPLE know what criminals bushco are, so the world is interested in knowing this one thing: Are WE THE PEOPLE in control of our government? If Freedom of Speech and Democracy means anything to America, WE THE PEOPLE need to stand up and start practicing it!

If WE THE PEOPLE get this done than we are on a good road to recovering those things we cherish about America. If WE THE PEOPLE do not do this...well bush didn't stop the last 9-11...knowing what you know about him my fellow DUers, do you trust him to stop the next one(s)? Knowing what you know about how bushco has stirred up that ants nest over in the Middle East do you think that we are now somehow safer from terrorist threats? Think carefully about the message you want to send over to that poor Iraqi whose whole life bushco has devasted...you can be assured that the terrorist leaders are providing him with an alternate messege...one which goes something like: "All Americans are accountable, if not then why do they keep bush in power?"

[GOTV]

33. As one of the nit-pickers, I DON'T want you to stop calling for impeachment...

... I've been very vocal, on many threads, making points about the un-likelihood that Bush can be removed through impeachment. However, it is not true that I want you to "stop shouting IMPEACHMENT".

What I want to stop is the misunderstanding of why the House doesn't start impeachment right now. What I want to stop is the accusations of traitor or enabler against those in Congress from those of us who either don't understand, or just don't care, what the constitutionally mandated process is. People who will not stop shouting long enough to understand that there are other explanations for why the House has not started impeachment besides wanting more American kids to die in Iraq.

Actually, if you are shouting impeachment in the streets, as opposed to on progressive web sites, you are doing the only reasonable thing that can be done to move the process forward.

Impeachment will remove neither Bush nor Cheney until the public calls for impeachment by substantial majorities.

So the place to start is not in the House, it's with the people. They are the ones that need to be convinced.

[chknltl]

36. Perhaps we are saying the same thing...perhaps no:

I can understand that civilian lynch mob mentality should be strongly discouraged. I understand that we have laws here in America...are you suggesting that there are folks here who encourage this type of thinking? (Get a rope and lynch 'em all because our duly elected leader rascals haven't yet and we all know that they are guilty anyway so let's get-er-done!) Well I concur, that mob mentality here in DU should be discouraged and you can count me in as a ready and willing comrade in arms here.

On the other hand if you are attempting to discourage your fellow DUers from stressing the urgent need for the removal of bushco from their positions of power and/or you hope to dissuade your fellow DUers from posting their thoughts about impeachment by pointing out that they have not dotted each "i" or crossed each "t" thereby publicly showing them the folly of their thinking...(for example: "Impeachment can not happen because steps "A" through "Z" need to occur so stop going on about all this impeachment nonsense you stupid freeper")...then we are NOT comrades in arms at all.

As a fellow DUer I suspect that you are the former not the latter. That said I do hope that you keep encouraging your fellow DUers to continue our discussions here. I do hope you keep encouraging your fellow DUers to learn as much as they can here in the DU as to how the impeachment process works FOR THE PURPOSE OF BETTER ASSISTING in the removal of bushco from power.

I further hope that these thoughts, these data, these very hopes and fears which we learn here from our fellow DUers are used to help educate those around each of us who are outside of the DU for THAT SAME PURPOSE OF REMOVING BUSHCO FROM POWER.

It most assuredly will require the loud voice of outrage from WE THE PEOPLE in order to get the process started which eventually removes bushco from their entrenched positions. That voice from WE THE PEOPLE was heard most recently in our last election. It was not enough BUT it was a start, a ray of much needed hope and I suggest that we keep that voice going. I suggest that we here in the progressive blogs and forums are in the position to enable that voice to keep shouting... we need to encourage it not discourage it by such statements like: "Impeachment ain't gonna happen because...."

Let me hammer in a relevant concept here: I am a fan of an outspoken radio personality named Mike Malloy. I listen in each weekday with my fellow DUers, we are called TRUTHSEEKERS..not sure why we are called this but I'll go along because I agree with what Mike is doing. The other day he casually pointed out his feelings about Barrack Obama. He pointed out all of Obama's good points but suggested that he would not make a great President YET because he lacked experience. Other than that he had no issue with him running for the office. How many folks do you suppose who heard Mike say this are now saying that exact same thing? Following the ripple effect how many more folks who do not even know who Mike Malloy is are now repeating that same thing? How much do you suppose that has affected Senator Obama chances? (Yes I know that Mike is/was not the only public personality to say this but you see my point I hope)

My overall point here is that there are folks outside of the DU who are repeating such things as "Impeachment is not gonna happen because: "......" and they got that very notion via ripple effect from a sentiment expressed in a progressive forum! You and I and most here already know that impeachment is a possibility, we all know that our very forefathers placed this tool at our disposal for this very set of circumstances. This is a tool meant to be wielded by WE THE PEOPLE. I hope we are working together to get this message out there...I hope you are not one of those who is inadvertently sabotaging this message like Mike Malloy did to Senator Obama...

Unlike our "rove-ian" trained counterparts, we progressives are not adept at keeping an important message like this "on point"...but we are learning... together WE THE PEOPLE may yet get through this!
Thanks for your help :patriot:
c

[Tekla West]

34. I agree

In a democratic nation the people lead and the leaders follow. It up to us to show them the way, or the way out.

[Vidar]

29. Kudos to the Free Press.

[Venus Dog]

35. A class action lawsuit against the BFEE would also be nice

sprinkled with RICOs across the land!